What do Residencies look for?

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I am a prospective applicant to PT school. Just looking (way) ahead, what do residency programs look for in applicants? I know many accept new grads, but what criteria do they judge you by? I assume these residencies are very competitive, because there are so few of them? Would it be beneficial to go to a higher ranking PT school to be more competitive for residency when you graduate?
 
I am a prospective applicant to PT school. Just looking (way) ahead, what do residency programs look for in applicants? I know many accept new grads, but what criteria do they judge you by? I assume these residencies are very competitive, because there are so few of them? Would it be beneficial to go to a higher ranking PT school to be more competitive for residency when you graduate?

I'm not sure what criteria the use to determine who is accepted, but it is unlikely to be the ranking of the school you attended.

A high ranking in the US News & World Report benefits no one but the school the ranking is attached to. Your future employer won't care. The US government, to whom you will owe quite a bit of money upon completion of your degree won't care. The school uses it as a marketing tool, often to convince well-intentioned but rather naive future PT students that they should shell out more $$$ to go there rather than attending a less expensive school.
 
I'm not sure what criteria the use to determine who is accepted, but it is unlikely to be the ranking of the school you attended.

A high ranking in the US News & World Report benefits no one but the school the ranking is attached to. Your future employer won't care. The US government, to whom you will owe quite a bit of money upon completion of your degree won't care. The school uses it as a marketing tool, often to convince well-intentioned but rather naive future PT students that they should shell out more $$$ to go there rather than attending a less expensive school.

JessPT while I would love to vent with you about the injustice of Graduate school costs nowadays, there are factors that go beyond tuition $. For example: a top ranked school like Pittsburgh, Washington, USC perhaps places more emphasis on students doing research and giving them the opportunity to do so than at a smaller (albeit much cheaper) state school like a Cal State or Winston-Salem, where due to resources research might not be nearly as important. Wouldn't you say this might or might not be a factor in residency selection? I don't know, that's why I made this thread to ask 🙂

So again, does anyone know?
 
JessPT while I would love to vent with you about the injustice of Graduate school costs nowadays, there are factors that go beyond tuition $. For example: a top ranked school like Pittsburgh, Washington, USC perhaps places more emphasis on students doing research and giving them the opportunity to do so than at a smaller (albeit much cheaper) state school like a Cal State or Winston-Salem, where due to resources research might not be nearly as important. Wouldn't you say this might or might not be a factor in residency selection? I don't know, that's why I made this thread to ask 🙂

So again, does anyone know?

This presumption that schools 3x the cost of the state school to are not focused on research is rather hogwash. A good bit of funding for most labs comes from outside anyway, so paying more tuition for the "research experience" is false. Our program also has mandatory capstone projects (though I feel this should be optional for PT education).

Each prominent, full-time faculty is doing research in their various research field subjects on top of teaching. If they're not publishing and producing they've either "made it" to the top or nearing retirement.

In fact, if you play your application cycle well and with a little luck you can work part-time in interesting research to fund your PT education nearly entirely. The options like this are few, but they're out there.
 
Each prominent, full-time faculty is doing research in their various research field subjects on top of teaching. If they're not publishing and producing they've either "made it" to the top or nearing retirement.
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CAPTE (the organization that accredits entry-level PT programs) require ALL PT faculty participate in 'scholarly activity.' This is probably not terribly fair, especially for the schools that hire faculty without a terminal research degree (i.e., PhD). The colleaguesI work with at my school with an EdD really struggles with research, and the very few with a DPT are really unable to have an independent research agenda. Why would they really since DPT programs do not teach nearly enough research for them to do anything independently. CAPTE recognizes this somewhat and school requirements for CAPTE are for the entire faculty and not foe each member. But all must have a scholarly agenda....and dissemination is required for that.
 
I know that Evidence In Motion used to have webinars for perspective applicants, and they also have some info on their web site regarding applicant requirements, so you could probably start looking there.

www.evidenceinmotion.com
 
CAPTE (the organization that accredits entry-level PT programs) require ALL PT faculty participate in 'scholarly activity.' This is probably not terribly fair, especially for the schools that hire faculty without a terminal research degree (i.e., PhD). The colleaguesI work with at my school with an EdD really struggles with research, and the very few with a DPT are really unable to have an independent research agenda. Why would they really since DPT programs do not teach nearly enough research for them to do anything independently. CAPTE recognizes this somewhat and school requirements for CAPTE are for the entire faculty and not foe each member. But all must have a scholarly agenda....and dissemination is required for that.

I'm admit I'm still a student, and do not see everything that that the faculty do. I will agree with you to a great extent. I do get view of the faculty dynamic from what I encounter a student within my own program.

So yes, those faculty with a PhD may likely less equipped via formal background to perform independent scientific research. This does not mean meaningful within the PT world is out of grasp for these faculty. Not all meaningful research must be scientific. Nor does it mean a learning curve cannot be overcome for those without the strict science research background a PhD may bring to the table. The going may be harder, yes, but one still can learn and grow as faculty if the setting fosters such environment.

Also, I'd argue not all DPT programs impart a research foundation as well as others may do on the students too. As well, some may stress more clinical emphasis, and/or cut down research process exposure for their students. This may be seen as shortened program length (condensed time for the DPT).

The CAPTE body seems moreso as a body that sets minimum (high) standards for accreditation on fundamental educational pillars to allow PT programs to exist that are accredited today. Looking at the good amount of variability from program to program in the small details will show that they're not all focused equally.

Now as to whether the DPT should mandate greater research exposure for its students simply to practice as a PT is for another thread. Even though I've entered a path of high research exposure during my 3 year run, I sometimes wonder if this aspect is over-emphasized by PT academe and the APTA agenda. Where does the costs of these ideals pushed onto the students reach a breaking point of cost-opportunity?

Remember, this profession required a rigorous masters not too many years ago as it's barrier to entry. I believe objective criticism of the "DPT agenda" should still be healthfully critiqued.

The DPT may be here to stay (like it or not), but its true weight in the eyes in the real world still remains suspect. Until the DPT makes a lick of difference in the eyes of potential employers and new-grad employability, the DPT remains an agenda by the powers that be... It will likely be so for a few more decades as the PT profession goes through its "growing pains" in the years to come.

It will be interesting to reflect back on this once I've graduated and had more interactions with those therapists who've been practicing for many years already.
 
JessPT while I would love to vent with you about the injustice of Graduate school costs nowadays, there are factors that go beyond tuition $. For example: a top ranked school like Pittsburgh, Washington, USC perhaps places more emphasis on students doing research and giving them the opportunity to do so than at a smaller (albeit much cheaper) state school like a Cal State or Winston-Salem, where due to resources research might not be nearly as important. Wouldn't you say this might or might not be a factor in residency selection? I don't know, that's why I made this thread to ask 🙂

So again, does anyone know?

Pssssst.... WSSU PT students can use WFUMBC resources for research projects.. Not quite the limiting factor that you think... 🙂
 
Yo Jellybean,

everyone got off on a bit of tangent and you didn't really have your question answered. Last week I was just at an info meeting about residencies.

Here is essentially what I took away:

-Yes, most accept new grads. They cautioned us that if you choose to do a residency, you had better really enjoy that area of interest. Otherwise, if you get into something like women's health and realize you hate it, you'll have a miserable year as a resident, as will your mentor (No offense to WH).

-Most programs only admit 2 residents/year. They said they receive between 10-20 applicants for those spots, but it's more or less depending on the area of specialty.

-They choose applicants upon many factors, but they really want to see you're dedicated and intensely interested in the specialty. For instance, have you tried to be involved in research regarding this area, have you tried to get internships with leaders in that area in your field, if you've worked, have you done so in an area related. Basically, they want to see history that you want to go into this specialty.

There are benefits and drawbacks to residencies. They commented compensation wasn't vastly different compared to a regular PT. I think a substantial benefit is the fact that you work with a mentor, so you aren't alone as a new grad. However, if you seek out a mentored position you could also attain this.

I think it's good to keep an open mind whether you decided to do one, or not.

Best of luck,
 
Thanks for the input! What you said definitely makes sense.

As far your comment regarding residency salary, I think it is indeed drastically lower than actual PT salary. Something like 25-30k that year as a resident (versus 60-70k as a working new grad). I got these figures from checking a few California residency websites.
 
Oops, my bad I should've clarified. They said once you're out of the residency and are a certified specialist that the compensation isn't vastly different from a regular PT. Especially not the drastic difference in income you see with MD's.

Yeah, you're right, they do pay you a stipend during the residency typically.
 
Oops, my bad I should've clarified. They said once you're out of the residency and are a certified specialist that the compensation isn't vastly different from a regular PT. Especially not the drastic difference in income you see with MD's.

Yeah, you're right, they do pay you a stipend during the residency typically.

Funny thing is that every PT I have shadowed who has done a residency has stated that it drastically increased their level of clinical skill. But higher training is not compensated accordingly in the real world. This means there is little financial incentive for a recent graduate to pursue post-professional training and seek improvement. Whether you personally agree or not, money is a huge motivator for many people, and if there was some sort of established professional/financial benefit then many more PT's would seek them out. This could only benefit the profession as a whole by increasing the overall quality of patient care. Do you guys agree/disagree?
 
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Funny thing is that every PT I have shadowed who has done a residency has stated that it drastically increased their level of clinical skill. But higher training is not compensated accordingly in the real world. This means there is little financial incentive for a recent graduate to pursue post-professional training and seek improvement. Whether you personally agree or not, money is a huge motivator for many people, and if there was some sort of established professional/financial benefit then many more PT's would seek them out. This could only benefit the profession as a whole by increases the overall quality of patient care. Do you guys agree/disagree?

I agree 100%. It should be mandatory for PT's to do residency training regardless of financial incentive.
 
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