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Haybrant said:
Im sure he knows his sh1t now but wouldnt he be better off researching in the time he has to go to class for anatomy

Actually, he's better off sleeping in, which he probably does, just like the other guys who have taken anatomy. This is grad school, nobody takes attendance.

im just saying premeds waste so much time doing things for med school especially those of us in the biological sciences. Take bio classes that you cant take in med school like molec bio or structural bio.

Oh, trust me you will be taking molec bio and you will need to have a firm understanding of structural bio to understand biochem.
 
U Penn baby, U Penn.
 
friend of mine was 3.99 student at UF...21 on the MCAT...no BS
 
i didnt read this entire thing.
but...
1. Berkeley rules.
2. The mcat will serve as the equalizer to differing GPAs. That is why the person with the 3.4 36 will probably get invites from good schools (maybe even better due to the rep of the undergrad) like the 3.8 30 student.

i think a 6 point difference on the mcat is a way better indicator on who knows their science/verbal material than a 0.4 difference in GPA which can have so many factors influence it like the difficulty of the major etc...
 
constructor said:
statistically speaking, it is equally difficult to get A's at all schools that curve the mean to a B.

So I've read through all the posts and no one's responded to this comment yet, despite it's clear problems, statistically speaking. It is inaccurate to compare statistics from one group to another if the possibility of sampling bias exists. This is why Internet polls suck so bad. Here the possibility is a certainty--that's why admissions at Harvard et. al are more competitive than those at UF.
There have been other posts that have debated ad nauseum whether the boost you get from a top undergrad outweighs the loss in GPA from competing with really smart people, but here's my view: it doesn't even come close. I know someone at Penn who scored a 14 for the semester of intro bio, most decidedly an F. If you ask him about bio stuff, he actually knows quite a bit, it's just that in a world drawn from straight A in AP classes high school students, the overall level of the class is really quite high.
Furthermore, when people speak of grade inflation in the Ivies, they are neglecting to consider a form of Simpson's Paradox (no, not Homer, the other Simpson): while overall grades may be inflated, grades in hard science majors are definitely not, at least not by the standards of the last few years. At Penn most are curved around a C+; even bio courses like "Animal Behavior." Social sciences and small english seminars tend to be the worst. Language classes are fairly harshly graded, as are many history classes and literary theory classes. 'Curving around an A,' like I read in another post, is an absurdity. The worst that happens is a curve around a B+, and even that is truly rare.
--Ari
 
constructor said:
ok sorry, well it's not waaaay better... just by a little little little bit.

B-/B is about the mean where i go to school as well but it's not that hard to get A's at my school if you work hard. how can it be near impossible? statistically speaking, it is equally difficult to get A's at all schools that curve the mean to a B.


Until you actually attend my school(Cornell), I don't think that it's wise for you to make such comments. It is near impossible to get A's at Cornell due to the fact that professors make exams extremely difficult, there are many extremely competitive students, the mean for most premed science classes is a B-, etc .
 
Jeffy said:
No its not. Try talking to half of my ***** friends from high school that went to a cal state. 🙄

AGREED.

UC all the way. 🙂
 
linuxizer said:
So I've read through all the posts and no one's responded to this comment yet, despite it's clear problems, statistically speaking. It is inaccurate to compare statistics from one group to another if the possibility of sampling bias exists. This is why Internet polls suck so bad. Here the possibility is a certainty--that's why admissions at Harvard et. al are more competitive than those at UF.
There have been other posts that have debated ad nauseum whether the boost you get from a top undergrad outweighs the loss in GPA from competing with really smart people, but here's my view: it doesn't even come close. I know someone at Penn who scored a 14 for the semester of intro bio, most decidedly an F. If you ask him about bio stuff, he actually knows quite a bit, it's just that in a world drawn from straight A in AP classes high school students, the overall level of the class is really quite high.
Furthermore, when people speak of grade inflation in the Ivies, they are neglecting to consider a form of Simpson's Paradox (no, not Homer, the other Simpson): while overall grades may be inflated, grades in hard science majors are definitely not, at least not by the standards of the last few years. At Penn most are curved around a C+; even bio courses like "Animal Behavior." Social sciences and small english seminars tend to be the worst. Language classes are fairly harshly graded, as are many history classes and literary theory classes. 'Curving around an A,' like I read in another post, is an absurdity. The worst that happens is a curve around a B+, and even that is truly rare.
--Ari

you're obviously not familiar with how things are at harvard then... by the way, upenn is not harvard or anywhere close to it so you can't use your experience to corroborate or repudiate what i said. but you sure do have a wild imagination... 👍
 
MeMyselfI said:
Until you actually attend my school(Cornell), I don't think that it's wise for you to make such comments. It is near impossible to get A's at Cornell due to the fact that professors make exams extremely difficult, there are many extremely competitive students, the mean for most premed science classes is a B-, etc .

yup, yup, yup... i go to a school that ranked much higher than cornell by us news (who cares..) but is also statistically one of the most difficult to get into. let me put it this way... 90% of people would think my school has a better reputation, with the remaining 10% being from ny, cornell alums, etc. so your concerns about professors making exams difficult, having very competitive students, and the mean being a B- are realized at my school as well, to an even higher extent i would argue. i still feel that most premeds are idiots/lazy, so it's not that hard to get an A if you want it.
 
i think all this cornell vs harvard vs berkely vs my school is harder than yours is such bull****. we're all going to end up as doctors so dont sweat it, and all the schools mentioned are pretty much equal in quality. 🙄 🙄
 
wends said:
i think all this cornell vs harvard vs berkely vs my school is harder than yours is such bull****. we're all going to end up as doctors so dont sweat it, and all the schools mentioned are pretty much equal in quality. 🙄 🙄

👍

I will stop defending my school as well...
 
but I gotta know where do you go to school, constructor???
 
wends said:
i think all this cornell vs harvard vs berkely vs my school is harder than yours is such bull****. we're all going to end up as doctors so dont sweat it, and all the schools mentioned are pretty much equal in quality. 🙄 🙄

Wends-
You are, of course, correct in that arguing over the differences between C. v H. v B. is pointless. The OP, however, was Harvard vs UF. I know several UF grads, and they're all fine individuals, but none have claimed that UF is on the level of Harvard. This is not to say that there aren't students at UF who could have been admitted into Harvard, that's almost certainly true, but in the aggregate, the level of research and strength of the student body at H. is simply higher.

constructor-
Ignoring a sound statistical argument and instead insulting Cornell is simply silly, particularly when in one post you state Penn is nowhere near the level of Harvard, and in the next you use U.S. News rankings to put down Cornell--the very same rankings that state that Penn is.
For hijacking a lovely thread and turning it into a pissing contest, I hereby dub thee TROLL. I regret my participation in the hijacking, however well-intentioned it may have been.

Best wishes to all, especially the OP, who failed to have his/her question answered in a sane and logical way.
--Ari
 
Dr. Chiquita said:
My bet is on Stanford...

lol, i thought it was haahvad....from previous posts..... 😀 how ya doing chiq girl?
 
linuxizer said:
constructor-
Ignoring a sound statistical argument and instead insulting Cornell is simply silly, particularly when in one post you state Penn is nowhere near the level of Harvard, and in the next you use U.S. News rankings to put down Cornell--the very same rankings that state that Penn is.
--Ari

And in the next he says who cares about US news.

Good call linux
 
wends said:
lol, i thought it was haahvad....from previous posts..... 😀 how ya doing chiq girl?

Got a couple interviews under my belt. I came back from NJ interviews and found myself with a cold...sniff...sniff. How you doing, girl? How was Ohio State?
 
Ohio state was good, i kinda went off in tangents and half way forgot what they asked! and the one guy was looking off into space.......

how were your interviews?!? wow. im complete now at Upenn and Mcw so thats exciting, but the rest is still waiting for this one prof that im going to strangle.........

and ive got the sniffies too! along with the sneeze that reverberates throughout the library.......
 
I'm going to close this thread as it has devolved into a pissing contest.

Just because you attend a prestigious private West Coast/East Coast university:

1: Doesn't mean that you are smarter than people who went to a public school or "Lower ranked" school. I'll bet some posters on this board currently attending a state school could (and will) smoke their Ivy classmates in med school.

2: Studies have shown that people will achieve the same economic success whether they attend an "Ivy" or the "lowly" state school.

3: Doesn't mean that you are guaranteed success in life.

4: Doesn't mean that you are a member of an adcom. Since NONE of you are, getting into arguments about it is puerile. Get over yourselves.

5: Doesn't mean that anything in life is owed to you. When I'm an attending or PD someday, I'm not going to give a rat's ass how a prospective resident did at Stanford or Harvard. What counts is your performance in school, on the STANDARDIZED EXAM (USMLE), and LORs.

With all of that said, let's be realisitic: Grade inflation happens and it happens everywhere. Whether on a large scale (as has been *definitley* shown at some schools) or on the more discrete scale of one prof, one class. Be adults and recognize that it does happen, and that this is one of the key reasons why the MCAT is so important to adcoms. They have to have some method for comparing diverse pools of applicants with a normalized method.

Wishing it wasn't so does NOT change reality.

This is a nation based upon meritocracy. Even with its flaws, you will succeed or fail based upon your abilities.

Grow up, people.
 
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