What happened to PASSOR spine/pain fellowships

[ml2001]

I was wondering what happened to PASSOR approved fellowships after dissolution of PASSOR.

Did they go on to achieve ACGME accredited status or just known now as non-ACGME PM&R dept run fellowships?

I'm more interested in the pain/interventional spine fellowships. Like the last post in the fellowship thread sticky, is there any way of finding a list of non-ACGME PM&R run interventional pain/spine fellowships. The list on AAPM&R.com, Physiatry.org, and painrounds.com seems to be very outdated.

Thank you very much for whatever you guys can share...


-ML

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[Hemisphere]

not aware of an updated list... As far as non-ACGME accredited spine/sports/MSK fellowships, PASSOR no longer exists as an organization so they are not putting out a list anymore. Check out AAPMR fellowship database, AAP website, and would call the programs individually to verify accuracy and/or obtain application information. You are right these lists are outdated and would encourage notifying the programs to update their information with these databases. Would encourage speaking to current fellows to obtain the most uptodate info on the fellowship experiences. In ACGME-accredited pain fellowships you will have protected work hours and lecture time to learn about facial pains and labor pains. In non-ACGME spine fellowships, it is all MSK and you will experience directly the pains of hard labor .

 

[ml2001]

Check out AAPMR fellowship database, AAP website, and would call the programs individually to verify accuracy and/or obtain application information.

Are the fellowship programs that are not listed on AAPM&R and AAP databases not good? For example, there are two non-ACGME programs in Hawaii, but AAPM&R has neither listed while AAP has one of the two listed. However, I have read about these two fellowships by chance and both seem to be equally good. I just don't want to miss out on these unlisted good fellowships because I was not looking at the right place. I have no idea how to track down these unlisted fellowships. Thank you...

-ML

 

[SSdoc33]

an unintended consequence of the dissolution of passor is that there is now truly no standard for physiatric sports/spine fellowships.

i wouldnt judge the quality of the fellowship based on whether its listed on place or another.

there are still very good fellowships out there, and it is a shame that neither the AAP nor AAPMR nor ABPMR can come up with some standard to hold them to.

 

[melancholy]

For PM&R going into a pain fellowship with the intent of getting a board certification of some sort, there are two routes as I understand (others pls correct me if my terminology or info is incorrect):

1. ACGME-accredited fellowship - you to sit for ABA exam (under ABMS) through ABPMR (could be anesthesia-based or PM&R based fellowship)

2. Non-accredited fellowship - Potentially higher degree of variability which may or may not have lots of structure and opportunities, but obviously pros and cons which have been discussed thoroughly in past threads. With this route, if you wish, you can try and get ABPM board certification. (fulfill the requirements as stated in http://www.abpm.org/uploads/files/2011certification_bulletin.pdf on page 4)

On a random note, I am still unclear on what an AAPMR pain fellowship is though.. is there any official standing when fellowships are on this list/database? Are past PASSOR fellowships lumped into this category? Just trying to understand so I can pass on the information accurately in the future.

 

[lobelsteve]

For PM&R going into a pain fellowship with the intent of getting a board certification of some sort, there are two routes as I understand (others pls correct me if my terminology or info is incorrect):

1. ACGME-accredited fellowship - you to sit for ABA exam (under ABMS) through ABPMR (could be anesthesia-based or PM&R based fellowship)

2. Non-accredited fellowship - Potentially higher degree of variability which may or may not have lots of structure and opportunities, but obviously pros and cons which have been discussed thoroughly in past threads. With this route, if you wish, you can try and get ABPM board certification. (fulfill the requirements as stated in http://www.abpm.org/uploads/files/2011certification_bulletin.pdf on page 4)

On a random note, I am still unclear on what an AAPMR pain fellowship is though.. is there any official standing when fellowships are on this list/database? Are past PASSOR fellowships lumped into this category? Just trying to understand so I can pass on the information accurately in the future.

The Academy lists fellowships and does not run fellowships. All unaccredited fellowships are subject to change with frequency such that we cannot trust listings on AAP or AAPMR, and we can trust the consistency in the training across non-accredited training even less. I speak for the horrid training I am providing Dr. Lucien Parrillo in my clinic at this time. At 2 1/2 months in he has only done 5 stims and 3 vertebroplasties. The fact that he kneed me in the right hamstring today has nothing to do with the work he will endure this coming week.

 

[melancholy]

The Academy lists fellowships and does not run fellowships. All unaccredited fellowships are subject to change with frequency such that we cannot trust listings on AAP or AAPMR, and we can trust the consistency in the training across non-accredited training even less. I speak for the horrid training I am providing Dr. Lucien Parrillo in my clinic at this time. At 2 1/2 months in he has only done 5 stims and 3 vertebroplasties. The fact that he kneed me in the right hamstring today has nothing to do with the work he will endure this coming week.

1 stim every 2 weeks isn't bad depending on the fellowship goals and expectations.

Was he washing your car on a Sunday???

 

[ml2001]

I speak for the horrid training I am providing Dr. Lucien Parrillo in my clinic at this time. At 2 1/2 months in he has only done 5 stims and 3 vertebroplasties. The fact that he kneed me in the right hamstring today has nothing to do with the work he will endure this coming week.

This are the kind of fellowships I was talking about when I posted my original question. Dr. Lobel is offering a good fellowship from the brief intro he gave, but this obviously is not listed anywhere. How would one find hidden gems like these?

-ML