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Hi everyone,

Do most people who get into vet school get accepted their first time? And what is a competitive GPA to obtain when applying? Also, do you have to be a genius to get accepted to vet school? I have a 3.9 GPA now but I am not what you would call a genius. I work hard for my grades and I studied a lot, and it doesn't always come easy to me, for example chemistry. This class gives me a lot of frustrations and sometimes makes me go nuts...I'm glad I'm not a chem major lol. My 3.9 gpa will probably sink after this semester (I have all A's so far in my classes) but finals coming up and they're all cumulative and I really don't think I can get an A on all of these cumulative finals 🙁.

For those who got rejected their first time but are now veterinarians, what was your backup plan? was your plan just to keep reapplying or did you have a second career in mind?

thanks!!
 
Hi everyone,

Do most people who get into vet school get accepted their first time? And what is a competitive GPA to obtain when applying? Also, do you have to be a genius to get accepted to vet school? I have a 3.9 GPA now but I am not what you would call a genius. I work hard for my grades and I studied a lot, and it doesn't always come easy to me, for example chemistry. This class gives me a lot of frustrations and sometimes makes me go nuts...I'm glad I'm not a chem major lol. My 3.9 gpa will probably sink after this semester (I have all A's so far in my classes) but finals coming up and they're all cumulative and I really don't think I can get an A on all of these cumulative finals 🙁.

For those who got rejected their first time but are now veterinarians, what was your backup plan? was your plan just to keep reapplying or did you have a second career in mind?

thanks!!
Hello there!

I'm not sure of the exact article, but I remember reading somewhere that VMCAS had some sort of statistic that it was relatively common for applicants to have to apply more than one time. It's definitely not unheard of, I know several people who had to apply more than once.

You don't have to be a genius by any means, and in my personal opinion it would be better to be more well-rounded than only be able to offer a 4.0 GPA. While a stellar GPA helps, grades aren't everything. You need to have good vet med experience, positive letters or recommendation, a good personal statement, gre, and good extracurriculars/leadership opportunities too.
 
Hello there!

I'm not sure of the exact article, but I remember reading somewhere that VMCAS had some sort of statistic that it was relatively common for applicants to have to apply more than one time. It's definitely not unheard of, I know several people who had to apply more than once.

You don't have to be a genius by any means, and in my personal opinion it would be better to be more well-rounded than only be able to offer a 4.0 GPA. While a stellar GPA helps, grades aren't everything. You need to have good vet med experience, positive letters or recommendation, a good personal statement, gre, and good extracurriculars/leadership opportunities too.

Thanks for replying!!!

Also, we all know veterinary school is a very rigorous program. It states on your profile you are currently a Veterinarian Student. How often do you study, and how do you cope with the stress of vet school? Thanks!! & Good luck with your career in Veterinary Medicine!
 
Hello there!

I'm not sure of the exact article, but I remember reading somewhere that VMCAS had some sort of statistic that it was relatively common for applicants to have to apply more than one time. It's definitely not unheard of, I know several people who had to apply more than once.

You don't have to be a genius by any means, and in my personal opinion it would be better to be more well-rounded than only be able to offer a 4.0 GPA. While a stellar GPA helps, grades aren't everything. You need to have good vet med experience, positive letters or recommendation, a good personal statement, gre, and good extracurriculars/leadership opportunities too.

Couldn't have said it better.

I definitely recommend having a back up plan of some sort. Realistically, there's only so many times you can apply before you really should move on. Some of the most bitter people I know of are the eternal pre-vets who just kept teching when they never envisioned themselves being a tech forever.

As far as what that back up plan is, that's a personal question. It can be something that overlaps with vet school requirements (like a different medical field or biomedical research type field) or something completely unrelated that you could also see yourself doing.

My original back up plan was teaching some kind of science (which I now realize I would have hated). In true hind sight, if I hadn't made it into vet school, I would have had my first kid while trying to decide what to do instead, gotten super interested in labor and delivery, and probably ended up in L&D nursing.


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Thanks for replying!!!

Also, we all know veterinary school is a very rigorous program. It states on your profile you are currently a Veterinarian Student. How often do you study, and how do you cope with the stress of vet school? Thanks!! & Good luck with your career in Veterinary Medicine!
When I was in pre-clinial/classroom work I studied decently most days, ramping it up when exams were near. I studied considerately more than I ever did in undergrad, as the volume of information is ridiculous and always threatening to drown you in it.

I didn't truly adjust to vet school until I began to allow myself to be a bit human. Honestly, vet school can run you right over if you let it. My grades actually got better once I made time for my hobbies, so from there I always made sure to take plenty of breaks when I was studying, and I scheduled time for things that I love (running, baking, dinners with friends, etc). The grades followed once I put my mental well-being first.

If you have anymore questions don't hesitate to ask on here or PM me!
 
Hi everyone,

Do most people who get into vet school get accepted their first time? And what is a competitive GPA to obtain when applying? Also, do you have to be a genius to get accepted to vet school? I have a 3.9 GPA now but I am not what you would call a genius. I work hard for my grades and I studied a lot, and it doesn't always come easy to me, for example chemistry. This class gives me a lot of frustrations and sometimes makes me go nuts...I'm glad I'm not a chem major lol. My 3.9 gpa will probably sink after this semester (I have all A's so far in my classes) but finals coming up and they're all cumulative and I really don't think I can get an A on all of these cumulative finals 🙁.

For those who got rejected their first time but are now veterinarians, what was your backup plan? was your plan just to keep reapplying or did you have a second career in mind?

thanks!!
Anecdotally, a lot of the vets I worked with took more than one try to get into vet school. Three of the BEST vets I ever worked with took two, two and three times, respectively, to gain admission, and one transferred from an island school to the mainland her sophomore year. Another DVM I know of took three times to gain admission and is now double boarded. That being said a lot of them went to school 15+ years ago. These days I think it's more common for people to gain admission their first or second time, but it took me three tries and I'm LOVING it. I'm getting good grades, but more importantly I'm learning a ton. I'm definitely not a genius, either. My undergrad gpa was a "paltry" (/sarcasm) 3.5 and I certainly did not get straight As in science.

I didn't have a backup plan, which means I'm very grateful to be in school now. Veterinary school WAS my backup plan--actually my backup backup plan. I wanted to go into a certain kind of research, decided I hated it, switched to something else, hated THAT, then spent a few years really soul searching and trying different things and settled on veterinary medicine. I spent a few years working as a tech to make sure I really had a sense of what the hours were like, the challenges, talked to a lot of vets about what they loved and hated, would they do it over again, etc. So I feel like I went into it with eyes wide open (though of course BEING a vet is different than hearing about being a vet). If I hadn't gotten in I probably would have had a kid, gone and gotten a PhD or masters and worked in a related science field, but it's not what I wanted and I don't think I'd have the same satisfaction as I do in the field of veterinary medicine.

Thanks for replying!!!

Also, we all know veterinary school is a very rigorous program. It states on your profile you are currently a Veterinarian Student. How often do you study, and how do you cope with the stress of vet school? Thanks!! & Good luck with your career in Veterinary Medicine!

I have to preface this by saying I was working 40-50 hours a week before school started (for a while I was working 80 hours a week) and I find veterinary school way less stressful and hard than work. I have more time off and I feel more relaxed. That being said, I guard my time incredibly jealously and any event/project/etc that I don't love and isn't required, I simply don't spend time on. I focus on prioritizing my learning and my down time, so every night I give myself a couple hours to read, fool around, watch television, etc. I try to stay at school after class every day to study the day's materials, review the material at night, and pre-view the material before the lectures. This way it's always kind of percolating. I take notes during class, make flashcards after class, write outlines, draw diagrams, make concept maps, etc. I do study a lot, and I study probably 6-7 days a week, but with 24 hours in a day I need 8 to sleep, about 6-8 to be in class, and of the remaining 8 I probably dedicate 3-4 to studying and 3-4 to relaxation/mental health/exercise/spending time with husband/friends. It's really worked so far. Of course there are weeks/days where that all goes out the window and the learning is intense and stressful, but more often than not I have a pretty good work-life balance. I make sure that I never double-book my weekends--despite all the cool trips and events going on, I pick ONE per weekend and the other day is to be spent with hubby and/or relax and get some studying in. It's much more doable than I thought. That being said I know years 2 and 3 get much harder, so I'm expecting that to change, but until then I'm just focusing on whats working and whats in front of me.
 
Hi everyone,

Do most people who get into vet school get accepted their first time? And what is a competitive GPA to obtain when applying? Also, do you have to be a genius to get accepted to vet school? I have a 3.9 GPA now but I am not what you would call a genius. I work hard for my grades and I studied a lot, and it doesn't always come easy to me, for example chemistry. This class gives me a lot of frustrations and sometimes makes me go nuts...I'm glad I'm not a chem major lol. My 3.9 gpa will probably sink after this semester (I have all A's so far in my classes) but finals coming up and they're all cumulative and I really don't think I can get an A on all of these cumulative finals 🙁.

For those who got rejected their first time but are now veterinarians, what was your backup plan? was your plan just to keep reapplying or did you have a second career in mind?

thanks!!

I didn't get in the first time I applied. My backup plan was to find out what my weaknesses were (file reviews are tremendously helpful), address those, and work on building my application up for the next time around. It didn't really pan out that way for me - my unanticipated gap year turned into 3 years because I was hired in a research lab and figured out I love research, which changed my backup plan for the second go-around to pursuing a PhD if I didn't get into vet school. It ended up working out so I'm going for both my DVM and my PhD. Similarly to @TerraVet , I find that I'm a lot less stressed in vet school than I was when I was working 2 jobs full-time before school.

And no, you don't have to be a genius - I was accepted with a 3.6.
 
I didn't get in the first time I applied. My backup plan was to find out what my weaknesses were (file reviews are tremendously helpful), address those, and work on building my application up for the next time around. It didn't really pan out that way for me - my unanticipated gap year turned into 3 years because I was hired in a research lab and figured out I love research, which changed my backup plan for the second go-around to pursuing a PhD if I didn't get into vet school. It ended up working out so I'm going for both my DVM and my PhD. Similarly to @TerraVet , I find that I'm a lot less stressed in vet school than I was when I was working 2 jobs full-time before school.

And no, you don't have to be a genius - I was accepted with a 3.6.

Thank you for your response. That's impressive about how you're pursuing two doctorate degrees (one in Veterinary Medicine and the other PhD for research). What was your UG degree if you don't mind me asking?

Thank you @TerraVet your advice really helped! You probably can't wait until winter break when you get to book as many vacations as you want haha!
 
I'm doing the back up plan now. I applied 3-4 times over about 10 years. I was on the alternate list at WSU my first year and had somebody at the office tell me I would have been in if the girl who dropped out didn't do it a week too late. Each time I applied, I had reviews from somebody at at least one of the schools I applied to tell me I was sooooo close. One year I didn't hear until 2 weeks after the deadline and an admissions committee member called me personally to tell me to try again, because they had deadlocked on me and after 2 weeks, they finally decided to let somebody else in and look at me again the next cycle.

All that to say, I had incentive to keep trying. My undergrad GPA was not great. 2.73, 2.96 after taking a year of upper division post grad work and earning a 4.0 and near 4.0. I went on to get a Masters and while I did use it to apply one last time, it has turned into my career since I didn't get in once again.

Some of the schools list stats as far as how many times a student applied before being admitted. CSU said just under 3 the last time I paid attention, but looking at the actual list, many were first and second applicants, with a handful of people from 3 to 8 applications. I worked with a great vet who had applied over 6 times. She said it took her that long to figure out the system and make herself what they wanted.

I'm not going to touch the genius comment... 🙂

I don't love my current job, but I do love the field. I do have to continuously battle the idea of what I thought I would do with my life versus what has happened, but I think we all kinda have that battle at some point. Maybe I will end up going back to school... but not yet.
 
I got in with a 3.4. not to say that it's easy to do so because I was really accepted by only one school and I only saw two of my three apps all the way through (and it was my first cycle), but it is doable dependent on what else you have done with your life.
 
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Echoing all of the above. I think it's also worth noting that everybody has subject areas they are strong in as well as areas they are less strong in. That is true during both undergrad and vet school.

Everybody has different strengths, and that is a normal and good thing. Our class was encouraged to embrace that - we lean on each other for help in areas we are less strong in, and help each other with areas we are strong in.

So yeah, being a genius in everything is by no means a requirement for getting into vet school. And thank goodness for that. 🙂
 
I applied twice. The second time, the differences in my application were as follows: MS degree, boatloads more confidence. That's pretty much it. If I didn't get in the second time, I was offered a fellowship for a PhD that I would have accepted.
 
Hi everyone,

Do most people who get into vet school get accepted their first time? And what is a competitive GPA to obtain when applying? Also, do you have to be a genius to get accepted to vet school? I have a 3.9 GPA now but I am not what you would call a genius. I work hard for my grades and I studied a lot, and it doesn't always come easy to me, for example chemistry. This class gives me a lot of frustrations and sometimes makes me go nuts...I'm glad I'm not a chem major lol. My 3.9 gpa will probably sink after this semester (I have all A's so far in my classes) but finals coming up and they're all cumulative and I really don't think I can get an A on all of these cumulative finals 🙁.

For those who got rejected their first time but are now veterinarians, what was your backup plan? was your plan just to keep reapplying or did you have a second career in mind?

thanks!!
Just for some perspective, it's not all about grades. I know a 4.0 student who had to apply twice. I also had to apply twice, but my GPA was far more average (like a 3.5-3.6). I just got a lot more experience between apps, because that's what my file reviews called for.

I'm certainly no genius (I'm the type who excels/learns best in a clinical setting but not so much in the lecture hall or on exams), and they let me in :laugh:
 
I got accepted on my second try......I had decided there would not be a third. I was a mature student (34 when I was accepted), and I didn't intend to waste any more time in a holding pattern -- if I hadn't gotten in, I wasn't sure what I was going to do, but I was going to do something and not keep trying and hoping to get in to vet school. I can't remember what all my marks were, but I definitely didn't get an A in everything.
 
I'm in the process of waiting for interviews/ answers, so I don't have any "I was going to" answers, but if I don't get accepted this year, I'm going to get a masters in biochemistry research or biomedical research. Maybe.

I got a couple emails recently about the Oxford/ Cambridge- NIH program for biomedical research PhD in 4 years- but it's more Pre-Med based. Who knows, honestly. Hopefully I get accepted this year and don't have to worry about it!


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That implies you were rejected because you made a mistake.......Nope, I don't buy that.
Agree. Sometimes it just wasn't in the cards, or it just was the pool of applicants you were up against. You can have the ideal application, and things just still don't work out for whatever reason. There are 100s of other middle class white females with 1000 hours of varied experience and decent grades (to generalize, since that's the majority) with applications just as good as yours.

Coming from firsthand experience, I had 2-3 out of 5 file reviews tell me there wasn't a darn thing 'wrong' with my application, just to try again. It doesn't mean my first application had mistakes or red flags, or that I wasn't as worthy of a seat as someone who did get accepted, it just means I was pretty much 1/900 to them and I needed to try again. Other schools just told me to get more experience, another said to get one better LOR.
 
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That implies you were rejected because you made a mistake.......Nope, I don't buy that.

I think you're overinterpreting Dy. I think her point was that rejection just gives you a chance to improve your application - however it might benefit.
 
yeah, you guys are taking it too far. But there are always ways to improve your application or yourself.

"Sometimes it's not in the cards" removes all responsibility from it, too. You have to learn to be honest with yourself. if your GPA is lower, that is something you may not be able to improve, but it's still your responsibility. it's also your responsibility to get the experience you need.

the truth is, that yes, there may be 100s of other good applicants, but how are you setting yourself apart or above them? Finding out what would help your application is something all applicants should do.

this isn't meant to say you did something absolutely wrong. But in all areas of life, rejection should be an opportunity to reflect on what went wrong with the application process - if you think nothing went wrong, that's fine, but how would you improve?
 
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By definition - since the point of application is to gain admittance - an IDEAL application is one that accomplishes that goal. If you don't get accepted, your application was - again, by definition - not ideal.

Doesn't mean you can't be a good vet, weren't a decent candidate, or might not get in in the future with the same application. But not getting accepted DOES mean that your application wasn't ideal, because it means it was beat out by however many other candidates that it was unable to be competitive against.
 
yeah, you guys are taking it too far. But there are always ways to improve your application or yourself.

"Sometimes it's not in the cards" removes all responsibility from it, too. You have to learn to be honest with yourself. if your GPA is lower, that is something you may not be able to improve, but it's still your responsibility. it's also your responsibility to get the experience you need.

the truth is, that yes, there may be 100s of other good applicants, but how are you setting yourself apart or above them? Finding out what would help your application is something all applicants should do.

this isn't meant to say you did something absolutely wrong. But in all areas of life, rejection should be an opportunity to reflect on what went wrong with the application process - if you think nothing went wrong, that's fine, but how would you improve?
To say you got rejected because you "made mistakes" is where I disagree with you, but reflecting on yourself is always important. Like I said, you can have a perfectly good application with absolutely no red flags. So do hundreds of other people. Not every single admitted student has some sort of life event, experience, etc. that makes them stand out from the crowd. Yes, you can always improve somehow, but ignoring the variables that an applicant can do nothing about that absolutely have an affect on someone's success is ignoring half of the admissions process. It's completely true that you can submit what you feel is a perfect application, and everything else is completely out of your hands. We've all had our own experience with adcoms, but as an applying pre-vet and as a vet student now, I was surprised to find out how much subjectivity really is involved when it comes down to it, and how it can vary during a single cycle and from person to person on the same adcom. There's nothing really wrong with that, necessarily, but it's a factor in the process that can't be ignored. In my opinion, there is a small bit of gambling and chance to any competitive admissions/selection process, and not a single thing you can do about it. That's not to say you should use it as an excuse to pout about a rejection and refuse to try again with a different approach and some improvements.

I don't think this applies to someone with a below average GPA, low experience, etc. Those are obvious places to improve. The applicants with the 3.8, 1000s of hours, solid essay/letters, good GRE, etc. and get rejected/waitlisted and receive no real feedback on file reviews because there is nothing to say other than "Keep trying!", those are the people I'm thinking of. You should definitely keep working on your app somehow, but sometimes you just weren't picked out of the pool of people who look the same on paper.
 
To say you got rejected because you "made mistakes" is where I disagree with you, but reflecting on yourself is always important. Like I said, you can have a perfectly good application with absolutely no red flags. So do hundreds of other people. Not every single admitted student has some sort of life event, experience, etc. that makes them stand out from the crowd. Yes, you can always improve somehow, but ignoring the variables that an applicant can do nothing about that absolutely have an affect on someone's success is ignoring half of the admissions process. It's completely true that you can submit what you feel is a perfect application, and everything else is completely out of your hands. We've all had our own experience with adcoms, but as an applying pre-vet and as a vet student now, I was surprised to find out how much subjectivity really is involved when it comes down to it, and how it can vary during a single cycle and from person to person on the same adcom. There's nothing really wrong with that, necessarily, but it's a factor in the process that can't be ignored. In my opinion, there is a small bit of gambling and chance to any competitive admissions/selection process, and not a single thing you can do about it. That's not to say you should use it as an excuse to pout about a rejection and refuse to try again with a different approach and some improvements.

I don't think this applies to someone with a below average GPA, low experience, etc. Those are obvious places to improve. The applicants with the 3.8, 1000s of hours, solid essay/letters, good GRE, etc. and get rejected/waitlisted and receive no real feedback on file reviews because there is nothing to say other than "Keep trying!", those are the people I'm thinking of. You should definitely keep working on your app somehow, but sometimes you just weren't picked out of the pool of people who look the same on paper.
You're not really getting it. Everyone makes mistakes.

I doubt that everyone applying has a 4.0, 10 ECs, 1000's of hours, good personality that interviews well, etc (ideal applicant stats). You have to pick and choose what makes sense for you. But if you're human, you've likely made a mistake along the way, and that's ok.
 
You're not really getting it. Everyone makes mistakes.

I doubt that everyone applying has a 4.0, 10 ECs, 1000's of hours, good personality that interviews well, etc (ideal applicant stats). You have to pick and choose what makes sense for you. But if you're human, you've likely made a mistake along the way, and that's ok.
Perhaps your choice of words is the issue, then. Mistakes are things you fix, not really improve upon. 'Oops' moments. Typos, saying "I love animals," missing deadlines, turning in the wrong materials to the wrong school, poor judgement and doing something stupid that made it onto your record...yeah, fix those mistakes if you can. You made those, and those are 100% your responsibility. However, not every rejected applicant makes "mistakes" on an application and it's important to acknowledge that. That's entirely separate from improving yourself as an applicant after having already submitted a competitive application. A below average GPA, GRE, or just being all around average (which is competitive, tbh)...those aren't necessarily "mistakes" either. Having 500 hours when the person who beat you had 800? That's not a mistake. A weak area of your application? Absolutely, given the circumstances.

Also, worth mentioning that just because I disagree with your opinion, it doesn't mean I simply "don't get it." Your opinion is not the only way, and me disagreeing with you doesn't mean I must not be understanding what your saying. It's actually kind of condescending to say that, when you think about it.
 
you can't always fix mistakes, PP. It's an important lesson to learn. Sometimes you just have to accept them and move on.

I'm sorry that you feel this way. And you are certainly allowed to believe whatever you want. I will point out I didn't force this down your throat. But I believe that if you don't try to improve yourself after a rejection, you're setting yourself up for continued failure (and this applies to all areas of your life).

agree to disagree because I don't think it's separate.
 
you can't always fix mistakes, PP. It's an important lesson to learn. Sometimes you just have to accept them and move on.

I'm sorry that you feel this way. And you are certainly allowed to believe whatever you want. I will point out I didn't force this down your throat. But I believe that if you don't try to improve yourself after a rejection, you're setting yourself up for continued failure (and this applies to all areas of your life).

agree to disagree because I don't think it's separate.
I literally just acknowledged that in my post, so I'm not sure why you're implying that I need to learn a lesson here.

Yes, agree to disagree.
 
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