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If you had a chance to go back to your college years, would you still choose to go to medicine and would you choose dental over medicine ?

if you compare Dental vs Medicine based on the list below, which career would you choose?
1) School costs: I think School cost is almost the same and it is easier for doctor to pay it off
2) Salary: Dentist starts earlier to make money, but with low salary. Doctor spends extra years for residency, but will start with high salary once done with residency.
3) lifestyle/family time: Dentist is more flexible and works 40-50 hours a week. Doctors are less flexible and work 50-80 hours a week. Dentist can spend much more time with family and to enjoy the money they make. Doctors can have less time with their family and to enjoy spending their money, even if they have much higher salary than Dentist, they still can not have time to do much with their money, instead of buying cars they drive only to get work and big house they use only to sleep.
4) retirement: I am not sure about this. Dentist make less money, but might be able to retire earlier with less retirement money than doctors. Doctors can put more money to retirement, but retire late.
5) stress level: Dentist has lower stress levels, because his patient life is not in danger. Doctors have very high level of stress, because of their patient life depends on the diagnosis they make and also the insurance and government.
6) Job opportunity: I think for Dentist, it takes much longer to settle in work place with good salary and in big cities with high percentage of patients. Dentist also needs to work 3-5 years to save enough money to open his own dental office. Doctor's job is stable and guarantees job safety for long time and I think it is easier for Doctor to find a job, but not necessarily in desired locations. It is also hard to them to obtain the residency in the specialty they desire.
 
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Going back ~6 years ago, if I had a guarantee of being able to specialize, I'd prob go to dental school.

That isn't a sure thing though, so med school it is.

Still jelous about the whole 4 years and done thing though.

Damn lucky dentists. 🙂
 
Not that it matters really, but I can tell you are ESL. You consistently leave out a lot of definite articles like "the" and "a" also the possessive of certain nouns, like Dentist's vs Dentist.

Answering your OP, I think you should do whatever makes you happy. Medicine is too much work to just fall into the same criteria of how to choose a job. Choose the field/specialty you love and don't look back.
 
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Not that it matters really, but I can tell you are ESL. You consistently live out a lot of definite articles like "the" and "a" also the plural of certain nouns, like Dentist's vs Dentist.

Answering your OP, I think you should do whatever makes you happy. Medicine is too much work to just fall into the same criteria of how to choose a job. Choose the field/specialty you love and don't look back.

Why do foreigners always do that? I've noticed that and it's actually one of my biggest pet peeves.
 
Not sure but fwiw, I wasn't trying to berate him. I am sure if I learned how to speak another language I would make mistakes too. Just pointing it out so if they are interested, they can improve.

Edit: just to clarify, I am not trying to say that you are trying to berate him either. Just wanted to say out loud where I was coming from.
 
OP:

What attracts many people to many types of medicine is (certainly in oncology) the dynamism of a particular field.

E. g., the natural history of certain malignancies will change in your working life time.

Uhh, dentistry isn't exactly known for being "dynamic". Many of us would be bored by it and as a result, would not last with respect to the customer service aspect of the field.
 
Why do foreigners always do that? I've noticed that and it's actually one of my biggest pet peeves.
Because we love annoying you.
 
Not that it matters really, but I can tell you are ESL. You consistently leave out a lot of definite articles like "the" and "a" also the plural of certain nouns, like Dentist's vs Dentist.

Dentist's as the plural of dentist? Ok brah.
And you're trying to school people?
 
Dentist's as the plural of dentist? Ok brah.
And you're trying to school people?
Lol. I didn't know how else to describe the possessive form of the noun. And I didn't feel like looking it up. Please excuse me
 
Medicine is a career you go into if you can't see yourself doing anything else. As a physician your life basically revolves around your work. Dentistry is for people looking for a high income but still significantly value their free time and the opportunity to have other hobbies. However, neither is a good choice if you don't already have an interest in the field.
 
Lol. I didn't know how else to describe the possessive form of the noun. And I didn't feel like looking it up. Please excuse me

except you were talking about plural's
which you have to look up apparently
 
except you were talking about plural's
which you have to look up apparently
Except I wasn't. I said plurals when in my mind I was describing possessive which is why I wrote Dentist's. What I didn't feel like looking up was the word possessive. I was having a brain fart and didn't feel like looking up the word possessive. God forbid.
 
I didn't know that dentist salaries were comparable to physicians. All the data I'm seeing says they make between 135,000-178,000 and only the top 10% make 200,000 and more. Salary wise that sounds a bit less than what specialists make. I guess they can start work earlier but I've heard starting salaries are around 78,000 and it takes 3-5 years to work into the average income. Also dental school tuition is about the same as medical school tuition. Although I'm sure dentistry is a great job, it is hard to compare a one organ profession to medicine in general because each specialty in medicine can have different pay and life style aspects. For example to some invasive cardiology is not a lifestyle specialty, to others it is a dream job. On the other hand most would consider dermatology to be a lifestyle specialty. While some even consider the on-off of emergency medicine to be a sweet lifestyle gig.

Anyways, seems to me dentists make about what Peds/ER/Ob Gyn docs which are the doctors with lower than average salaries (traditionally)...... also a lot of the anti-PCP talk is just on SDN (not to say that mid level encroachment isn't real or that some wouldn't be happy with more money); I've never had a primary care doctor tell me they hate their life and to run from medicine LOL quite the opposite actually. When I told my childhood mentor a specialty I was considering he scoffed and said "Eck! That's so boring. Why that specialty?"

If you are committed to a single organ right away then I don't see anything wrong with dentistry or podiatry. I sort of doubt that they overall have better pay + better lifestyle than physicians, maybe some areas like family med/Peds/Internist might hate their lives and not make as much $$$ as they'd like but I've yet to meet an ophthalmologist, dermatologist, ENT surgeon, radiologist or orthopaedic surgeon that would trade their jobs for dentistry any day of the week.

Can someone enlighten me on the pay aspect? Do dentists make more than physicians? I was always under the impression that they make about what a mid to low tier salary pediatrician makes....
 
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Well seeing that this topic is being dominated by the medical perspective, I'd like to provide the dental perspective. In the same day a dentist can take someone out of excruciating pain, continue to build relationships with their patients during a hygiene check, surgically extract a partially impacted tooth with the help of nitrous/benzos, greatly enhance a patient's self-esteem by providing an esthetic smile make-over, and walk a child through their first dental appointment. This or a similar variant is quite a common day for many dentists. And to put the cherry on top, virtually no call, usually less than five day week workweeks, decent pay, and without the grueling residency (I'm talking general dentists). The scope of dentistry is limited to the mouth, but there are many different procedures and technologies available to keep things interesting. Medicine is an awesome field too and many specialties/ primary care offer very similar benefits than dentistry. Obviously dentists aren't "saving lives" like some of the medical areas, but I do like to think we are preventing deaths through the intervention of dental infections. OP-- shadow as much as you can, figure out what you want out of a career AND life, and then take the plunge. Good luck with your decision.
 
Well seeing that this topic is being dominated by the medical perspective, I'd like to provide the dental perspective.


Actually I saw it the opposite way. It seemed like the OP was already sold on his idea and just listing all the reasons they wanted dentistry along with the sort of false assumption that all doctors across the board are unhappy robots who just go to work. LOL. And that there are no specialties in medicine without call and grueling residencies (they obviously haven't been reading SDN long enough because this is the definition of a lifestyle specialty). Also something that its "hard" for med students to match into residency when ~94% of US seniors are matching right now.

I don't think dentists have anything to prove. They don't need to "save lives" to fulfill a valuable service in society. I don't think doctors ever sit and think about what dentists do or don't do. As a future doctor I can tell you I simply don't care. I have other things to think about. There've been a couple of these "dentists are better than doctors" posts lately and they seem pretty insecure tbh and I know this doesn't reflect the attitude of dentists & orthodontists because they too are usually too wrapped up in their own lives to be making weird comparisons between fields that have a lot of different variables.
 
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Actually I saw it the opposite way. It seemed like the OP was already sold on his idea and just listing all the reasons they wanted dentistry along with the sort of false assumption that all doctors across the board are unhappy robots who just go to work. LOL. And that there are no specialties in medicine without call and grueling residencies (they obviously haven't been reading SDN long enough because this is the definition of a lifestyle specialty). Also something that its "hard" for med students to match into residency when ~94% of US seniors are matching right now.

I don't think dentists have anything to prove. They don't need to "save lives" to fulfill a valuable service in society. I don't think doctors ever sit and think about what dentists do or don't do. As a future doctor I can tell you I simply don't care. I have other things to think about. There've been a couple of these "dentists are better than doctors" posts lately and they seem pretty insecure tbh and I know this doesn't reflect the attitude of dentists & orthodontists because they too are usually too wrapped up in their own lives to be making weird comparisons between fields that have a lot of different variables.

I think he was saying there are more medical students giving a 'medical perspective' in this post. Since no one besides him has posted on the dental side of things. But I agree with your post overall.
 
I didn't know that dentist salaries were comparable to physicians. All the data I'm seeing says they make between 135,000-178,000 and only the top 10% make 200,000 and more. Salary wise that sounds a bit less than specialists make. I guess they can start work earlier but I've heard starting salaries are around 78,000 and it takes 3-5 years to work into the average income. Also dental school tuition is about the same as medical school tuition. Although I'm sure dentistry is a great job, it is hard to compare a one organ profession to medicine in general because each specialty in medicine can have different pay and life style aspects. For example to some invasive cardiology is not a lifestyle specialty, to others it is a dream job. On the other hand most would consider dermatology to be a lifestyle specialty. While some even consider the on-off of emergency medicine to be a sweet lifestyle gig.

Anyways, seems to me dentists make about what Peds/ER/Ob Gyn docs which are the doctors with lower than average salaries (traditionally)...... also a lot of the anti-PCP talk is just on SDN not to say that mid level encroachment isn't real or that some wouldn't be happy with more but the I've never had a primary care doctor tell me that hate their life and to run from medicine LOL quite the opposite actually. When I told my childhood mentor a specialty I was considering he scoffed and said "Eck! That's so boring. What that specialty?"

If you are committed to a single organ right away then I don't see anything wrong with dentistry or podiatry. I sort of doubt that they overall have better pay + better lifestyle than physicians, maybe some areas like family med/Peds/Internist might hate their lives and not make as much as they like but I've yet to meet an ophthalmologist, dermatologist, ENT surgeon, radiologist or orthopaedic surgeon that would trade their jobs for dentistry any day of the week.

Can someone enlighten me on the pay aspect? Do dentists make more than physicians? I was always under the impression that they make about what a mid to low tier salary pediatrician makes....

I'd also like to give a dental perspective. I don't think dentists make more than physicians overall, but they do make more than physicians per hour. So in theory, if a dentist wanted to work the same hours as a physician they could be making more. Either way one should choose what he/she is most interested in and what suits his/her lifestyle best. Don't use income as a deciding factor for your career.

Here is a post someone made about this awhile back comparing the salaries of specialists and primary care in both fields. These numbers are from 2003 so it might be a bit off since salaries for both physicians and dentists have gone a bit down since then. But it gives a general idea. If someone cares to make a more updated version be my guest.

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What is the median hourly rate for each profession/specialty?


Answer: (based on help from others/websites)

1. OMFS 336/36 = $179.5/hr
2. Endodontist 303.9/36 = $162.4/hr
3. Pediatric Dentist 294.4/36 = $157.1/hr
4. Orthodontist 279.4/36 = $149.0/hr
5. Orthopedic Surgeon 335.8/54.1 = $119.4/hr

6. Periodontist 216.4/36 = $115.4/hr
7. Pathologist 246.5/41.6 = $114.0/hr
8. Rad (Diag)/Rad Onc 327.7/58.5 = $107.7/hr
9. Prosthodontist 190.9/36 = $102.0/hr
10. Opthalomologist 229.2/43.7 = $100.9/hr

11. Dermatologist 219.5/42 = $100.5/hr
12. General Dentists 173.1/36 = $92.4/hr
13. Neurosurg/plastics Surgeon 275.2/59.6 = $88.8/hr
14. Urologist 264.5/57.4 = $88.6/hr
15. Surgeon (gen) 263.7/58.2 = $87.1/hr

16. Anesthesiologist 244.7/58.7 = $80.2/hr
17. ENT 214.5/52.1 = $79.2/hr
18. OB/GYN 227/55.7 = $78.4/hr
19. EM 197.1/50 = $75.8/hr
20. Neurologist 183.1/53.7 = $65.6/hr

21. Psychiatrist 145.7/44 = $63.7/hr
22. IM 164.1/55.6 = $56.8/hr
23. FP 146.5/50.7 = $55.6/hr
24. Pediatrician 137.8/49.4 = $53.6/hr

http://www.ada.org/ada/prod/survey/publications_newreports.asp#income
Survey of Dental Practice. c. 2003 Edition, American Dental Association

http://medicine.wustl.edu/~residenc...pec/byspec.html
Physician Socioeconomic Statistics. c. 2003 Edition, American Medical Association

**I am not sure if the hours of the OMFS and Rad Onc are accurate. I believe they should be higher and lower, respectively.
 
I woulda told myself to chill and that everything would be fine if I worked my ass off. None of the reasons you listed were why I would/wouldn't have gone into medicine.
 
Medicine wins a million to one. Dentists have to look in peoples mouths all day with is just freaking gross. I'll take buttholes and urethras any day of the week over dealing with peoples nasty teeth.
 
Mouths are gross. I would still choose medicine. But if I could do undergrad all over again, I would have been a mechanical engineering degree with a focus in biomechanics rather than be a jack-of-all-trades biomedical engineer.
 
I was never interested in dentistry, and gathering from what my friend in dental school tells me, I am happy I didn't pursue it. I never found it interesting, but kudos to the folks that go that route.

Can't really answer the second question. I have doubts about medicine and being in med school...but I don't know what else I would have done.

Also, now I'm curious. Why is dentistry a separate profession? And not a medical specialty like derm?
 
maybe not the best analogy I like to compare a dentist to a mechanic:

-from the patient perspective both can be hit or miss - you either like them or you dont when it comes to service and fees
-even with proper technique, both professions can be a burden on your back
-success comes from both being personable and being quick in getting the job done
-both require good hand-eye coordination

like someone above mentioned, dentistry is somewhat of an elective procedure whereas if someone's hip is broken they wont be ignoring the surgical procedure. Yes dentists can make a lot per hour but there's a good reason why most dentists work less than 40 hours per week (I have tons of respect for the urologists/orthopedic surgeons standing non-stop for their procedures).

If I could go back, I would have done accounting and then open up a CPA firm in Nevada/Arizona (CA is too small business unfriendly). Went to school free courtesy of a full ride, should have kept it that way 🙁. My gig is somewhat good but dentistry is not as rosy people make it out to be (not homeless or starving though)

edit: another thing, medicine beats dentistry in almost every category. My sister is getting job offers as a family practitioner in San Diego (albeit much lower than the average), in dentistry if you want to do that, good luck living on pay check to pay check
 
I would have majored in non-science, done the pre-reqs + biochem I and II + 1-2 years off to apply, work, and have fun. All said and done I basically did that and I'm pretty happy, especially almost being done with M1! I actually do find teeth to be interesting, but I never even really considered dentistry and wouldn't want to spend my days doing that. Also, as above, it is basically all out-patient stuff that I don't want to do either.

If you're going into the decision between medical school and dental school and consider them just to be jobs, I would lean towards dentistry. Boredom vs burnout.
 
I would have majored in non-science, done the pre-reqs + biochem I and II + 1-2 years off to apply, work, and have fun. All said and done I basically did that and I'm pretty happy, especially almost being done with M1! I actually do find teeth to be interesting, but I never even really considered dentistry and wouldn't want to spend my days doing that. Also, as above, it is basically all out-patient stuff that I don't want to do either.

If you're going into the decision between medical school and dental school and consider them just to be jobs, I would lean towards dentistry. Boredom vs burnout.


Hey now. I don't think my job is boring. The crazies make it fun! Or something.

As for what I would do if I could rewind time. Archeologist.(or trophy wife)
 
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