What is I.M. residency like?

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Insanely busy? A huge amount of social work? Do you get any autonomy? What is the bulk of your time spent doing intern year vs. yrs 2 and 3? Etc.

Realize this will differ by program but just want to hear how it is at your program and any broad generalizations. Thanks.
 
Insanely busy? A huge amount of social work? Do you get any autonomy? What is the bulk of your time spent doing intern year vs. yrs 2 and 3? Etc.

Realize this will differ by program but just want to hear how it is at your program and any broad generalizations. Thanks.

It is busy but within a given program will be rotation specific. The inpatient times are usually pretty busy.

The amount of social work will depend on the hospital. If you train at a suburban place with wealthy patients, you will have few social work disasters. However, if you train in an inner city hospital that supports mainly an indigent population, you will have to be friendly with the social workers.

Autonomy will be entirely dependent on the program.

Time spent in each year will depend on how the program is structured but basically intern year you spend time learning what the heck you're doing. 2nd and third year are spent honing this and learning how to lead.
 
IM resident nearing the end of a long, hard 3-year tour of duty.

I'm gonna be blunt and say that overall I thought IM residency was actually pretty horrible. My residency program was very busy for the most part, and inpatient months were brutal (we still do overnight call). I think a big part of the problem was that I realized about midway through that I just didn't enjoy the wards that much...although I'll offer that point with two caveats: 1) most of my fellow residents don't seem to enjoy wards much either (hence our very lengthy fellowship match list) and 2) I actually really enjoy the clinic.

I matched rheumatology at a great program and I'm ecstatic about being able to go mostly outpatient and actually have time to learn/think/work up patients appropriately again. But if I had to back up and choose specialties all over again, I'm not sure IM would be what I would go with. I thought the ratio of service:learning was pretty poor, as was the work/life balance. Every time I went off wards for a month I had to deal with a huge list of looming life issues outside the hospital that were impossible to deal with while on wards because of the time commitment. I was completely fed up with this by the end of residency - as were most of my colleagues. Granted, you'll encounter some of this during residency in any specialty...but IM is definitely closer to the top in terms of overall time spent in the hospital.

As far as autonomy goes - we had a ton once we became PGY2s. Admitting patients by yourself at night with zero attending backup will definitely put some hair on your chest.

Our social workers were pretty good, so thankfully social issues weren't the time drain that they can become at some programs.
 
Um, yeah, basically it sucks. I was going to do IM this year just because it's less competitive and I wanted to stay in a specific geographic area. As I did more rotations and spoke with more people I realized what a black hole IM residency is and practice is also outside of a few subspecialties.

Do you like long hours? 6 day work weeks? Near constant complaints from patients, nurses, etc.? Never actually doing anything to fix anyone? Admitting the same patients over and over again for the same problems? Hours of mental masturbation on rounds and in multiple conferences each day, obsessing over small details that don't even really change outcomes or patient care? As some say of IM residency in general, "Yeah you have to be in the hospital for long hours but that Lasix can't order itself!"

I matched radiology at a great program and I am much more excited for my future. Yes it has downsides but definitely beats out IM in terms of hours, work, and satisfaction, both in residency and beyond.
 
Um, yeah, basically it sucks. I was going to do IM this year just because it's less competitive and I wanted to stay in a specific geographic area. As I did more rotations and spoke with more people I realized what a black hole IM residency is and practice is also outside of a few subspecialties.

Do you like long hours? 6 day work weeks? Near constant complaints from patients, nurses, etc.? Never actually doing anything to fix anyone? Admitting the same patients over and over again for the same problems? Hours of mental masturbation on rounds and in multiple conferences each day, obsessing over small details that don't even really change outcomes or patient care? As some say of IM residency in general, "Yeah you have to be in the hospital for long hours but that Lasix can't order itself!"

I matched radiology at a great program and I am much more excited for my future. Yes it has downsides but definitely beats out IM in terms of hours, work, and satisfaction, both in residency and beyond.

That's a pretty gnarly review. I'd be wary of going into something that sounds like mostly administrative BS that, god forbid, even a Nurse Pretender could do.
 
I'm a 3rd yr IM resident in an urban setting. I've honestly loved my experience. I worked hard but my program didn't have overnight call on the wards and we only do 4-5 months of wards 2nd/3rd yr and no units 3rd year (2 months 2nd yr, 6 wks 1st yr). I enjoy the people I work with and while difficult enjoy the patient population I take care of.
 
I'm a 3rd yr IM resident in an urban setting. I've honestly loved my experience. I worked hard but my program didn't have overnight call on the wards and we only do 4-5 months of wards 2nd/3rd yr and no units 3rd year (2 months 2nd yr, 6 wks 1st yr). I enjoy the people I work with and while difficult enjoy the patient population I take care of.

I'm also a 3rd year IM resident in a similar urban setting with a similar patient population (not the same program). I have really enjoyed my experience in residency and it has honestly not been nearly as bad as I expected. Keep in mind that the loudest voices are usually those who are unhappy and are typically unrealistic. Your choice of program also makes a HUGE difference with regards to your happiness. Look for programs with support systems and realistic schedules like block scheduling (3+1, 4+1, 6+2, etc) where you get a week (or two) of clinic every 4th/5th/7th week. This is typically a week where you work 9-5, can lead a normal life, typically have weekends off and don't have any inpatient responsibilities. Similar to the above poster my program is also very front-loaded meaning that intern year is rough with 8 or 9 inpatient months but this plummets to 3-4 junior and senior year. With regards to the day-to-day: as with any field that requires direct patient care frustrations abound but you also get to think through and solve some really cool cases in IM, do procedures, and occasionally save lives. Again this varies drastically based on your practice setting. If you're at a community program you'll mostly be managing "bread and butter" cases and things will get boring, shipping sick and interesting patients to a referral center. If you're at a university/referral hospital you'll see all kinds of cool/interesting things and likely learn a lot more.

As you can see from the posts in this thread experiences in IM residency vary wildly.
 
IM residency has been pretty awesome so far. Actually feel like a legit doctor and the medical education I got from med school is still very much relevant (unlike other fields that don't get as much exposure in med school like rad onc where in addition to your day to day work you actually have to continue studying every day because everything is new). It's really not as bad as people make it out to be. And the opportunities after training are unparalleled so you can still adjust based on your interests. If you don't like in-patient don't do it, if you don't like outpatient be a hospitalist or interventionist. You can really practice anywhere in the US, not geographically limited or have to be tied down to a hospital setting.

From what I've seen so far, surgery and neurology residents are for the most part miserable.

I considered rad onc for a while but I'm glad I chose IM.
 
Insanely busy? A huge amount of social work? Do you get any autonomy? What is the bulk of your time spent doing intern year vs. yrs 2 and 3? Etc.

Realize this will differ by program but just want to hear how it is at your program and any broad generalizations. Thanks.
Very variable not just between programs but within hospitals at the same program. Social work depends more on your patient population and your hospitals resources than anything else, and it's good to get at least a little exposure to it during residency since you will probably encounter similar problems as an attending. As for the residency itself... I'm graduating from a university-associated community program next month and I have to say that I've had a phenomenal experience that I don't regret in the least.

Look, there's a lot of people who hate IM, either because of a crappy experience during their M3 rotation, M4 subi, or their prelim year. Most of those people (for the obvious reason that they dislike it) did not go into medicine, but feel qualified to opine about it because it's one of the fields they got the most exposure to. That's fine. But presumably, by asking this question, you do not have a visceral hatred for IM, or you wouldn't be considering going into the field.

IM is an exceedingly broad field with the vast majority of residencies being approximately 2/3 total inpatient experiences (counting wards, ICU, and inpatient consult services) and 1/3 total being outpatient experiences (counting continuity clinic, a month in the ED, and outpatient subspecialty clinics). Traditionally, most programs are pretty bottom heavy, with anywhere from 7-10 months inpatient as interns, and probably half that in the second or third year (with more subspecialty services and clinic time to compensate). Inpatient services are busy, but it's a different sort of business than the surgical services. Most of us like to sit around and talk about the details, because that's the culture of the field. Most programs have a decent balance of education vs service, and any program that is ACGME-accredited has relatively strict caps on the total workload of any given rotation.

Autonomy is key, and you only can really see how much autonomy you had in hindsight. Interns right now in May are often making the majority of the details with senior oversight, versus towards the beginning of the year it was much more closely watched. Your first day you don't even know how to replete potassium, by the end of intern year you can manage a patient with 15 comorbidities by going through them systematically... rather than just ignoring all but the one program your field deals with. As a second year, at least at my program, you can function pretty much semi-autonomously until rounds the next day... but backup is always available, whether that's your peers, more senior residents around, or attendings who are only ever a phone call away. I was never asked to do anything I felt uncomfortable doing, and I do a hell of a lot more now than I imagined as an intern.
 
IM residency has been pretty awesome so far. Actually feel like a legit doctor and the medical education I got from med school is still very much relevant (unlike other fields that don't get as much exposure in med school like rad onc where in addition to your day to day work you actually have to continue studying every day because everything is new). It's really not as bad as people make it out to be. And the opportunities after training are unparalleled so you can still adjust based on your interests. If you don't like in-patient don't do it, if you don't like outpatient be a hospitalist or interventionist. You can really practice anywhere in the US, not geographically limited or have to be tied down to a hospital setting.

From what I've seen so far, surgery and neurology residents are for the most part miserable.

I considered rad onc for a while but I'm glad I chose IM.

I'm glad you're finding IM good so far since I'm planning on doing a Hem/Onc fellowship (quite a bit down the road) and I always get mixed comments on the IM part of the training path.
 
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