What isnt broken in the U.S

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so i've basically been watching the crumbling of america..
and i've basically after watching 3 episodes.. gotten the point..
America's infrastructure is falling apart.. the health care system is falling apart..
the 2003 blackout nearly left the northeast in the 19th century..
we're becoming a nation thats paralyses by its own-self
we don't even make anything in the U.S anymore.. everything is chinese and what not..

i mean.. what's going to give in 10 years? if a earthquake hits the west coast sacramento will be flooded.. and san fransico will be demolished..
whats next?
the hospitals will be in total disrepair and we'll be back to using needles and just boil them to sterilize?

who's worried about our nation?...
i mean.. we honestly need to re-energize the country..
 
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hmm.. this proved to be a fail at starting a conventional conversation -.-
oh well
it was worth a try haha..
 
serenade said:
hmm.. this proved to be a fail at starting a conventional conversation -.-
oh well
it was worth a try haha..
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Try the Sociopolitical forum if you want good conversation.
 
yeah, the one thing we definitely need is another war.🙄
 
Another COLD WAR? With who? The Russians...or better yet the Chinese?

My goodness man, you think we can wage war on CHINA?

As if a nuclear stand off isn't scary enough...imagine nuclear arsenal + a standing army more than 10x our own.
 
There is something fundamentally flawed with our society. The desire for power and control and the means by which it is aquired.

The monetary system is a self generating debt machine. It is impossible to stop inflation, it is impossible to repay the debt generated. One might ask why would they implement such a system??

The answer is pretty simple, as long as society is in debt they can be controlled. It is a way for the people at the top to maintain their power.

So yes, there is something terribly wrong with our nation.
 
mipp0 said:
Another COLD WAR? With who? The Russians...or better yet the Chinese?

My goodness man, you think we can wage war on CHINA?

As if a nuclear stand off isn't scary enough...imagine nuclear arsenal + a standing army more than 10x our own.
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Try 2x. Half of their forces are paramilitary which is code for "never fired a weapon in their life". So essentially, our armies are the same size.


Their total population is only 3x greater than ours, so I don't where they would be able to muster up an army ten times more numerable than ours.
 
avksx said:
Try 2x. Half of their forces are paramilitary which is code for "never fired a weapon in their life". So essentially, our armies are the same size.


Their total population is only 3x greater than ours, so I don't where they would be able to muster up an army ten times more numerable than ours.
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The answer is quite simple actually. Just because their population is 3x greater doesn't mean their standing army is proportionately greater (by 3x).
Look at N. Korea - it has one of the largest standing armies in the world, and relative to its size...

I would definitely disagree with your statement that our armies are the same size. They (PLA) have ~ 3.5 million standing, another million in reserve. China can also probably mobilize volunteers much faster than here. That's more than 3x ours buddy.
 
mipp0 said:
The answer is quite simple actually. Just because their population is 3x greater doesn't mean their standing army is proportionately greater (by 3x).
Look at N. Korea - it has one of the largest standing armies in the world, and relative to its size...

I would definitely disagree with your statement that our armies are the same size. They (PLA) have ~ 3.5 million standing, another million in reserve. China can also probably mobilize volunteers much faster than here. That's more than 3x ours buddy.
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Not to mention governmental differences. The US has a much harder time forcing people to serve (if it came to that) than China. We have less people to pull from and a population that is generally more uncooperative with anything that is government-forced. Make no mistake, a war with China we could very possibly lose. The possibility increases as their economy goes stronger as well.
 
Are we talking about the plot for Modern Warfare 3 here?
 
serenade said:
i mean.. what's going to give in 10 years? if a earthquake hits the west coast sacramento will be flooded.. and san fransico will be demolished..
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I saw that alarmist program on the discovery channel too 👍
 
the post regarding standing army size is essentially pointless as warfare has dramatically changed in the past twenty or so years. furthermore, historically china has been defeated my armies that were much smaller. For example look at what happened to the Chinese army in Vietnam, were unlike the US, they lost the war on the battlefield rather than in the court of public opinion. Secondly a war with China is incredibly unlikely, as the economies of the US and China are so intertwined that a conflict would lead to economic collapse on both sides.
 
dang025 said:
the post regarding standing army size is essentially pointless as warfare has dramatically changed in the past twenty or so years. furthermore, historically china has been defeated my armies that were much smaller. For example look at what happened to the Chinese army in Vietnam, were unlike the US, they lost the war on the battlefield rather than in the court of public opinion. Secondly a war with China is incredibly unlikely, as the economies of the US and China are so intertwined that a conflict would lead to economic collapse on both sides.
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Nuclear weapons make conventional war between nation states a zero sum game. That is why warfare has evolved and we no longer see conventional "hot" wars. Instead we have been involved in proxy wars and wars against insurgents that have no allegiance to any nation or government.

I have no idea why the OP thinks we need another cold war, where we would spend a ton of money on a defensive apparatus that will never see the battlefield.

I think we need to cut the DOD and try and get out of debt. We have enough real estate and resources in this country to weather most anything, but the fact that the worth of our dollar is "fiat" and we are deeply in debt is problematic.
 
Old Grunt said:
Nuclear weapons make conventional war between nation states a zero sum game. That is why warfare has evolved and we no longer see conventional "hot" wars. Instead we have been involved in proxy wars and wars against insurgents that have no allegiance to any nation or government.

I have no idea why the OP thinks we need another cold war, where we would spend a ton of money on a defensive apparatus that will never see the battlefield.

I think we need to cut the DOD and try and get out of debt. We have enough real estate and resources in this country to weather most anything, but the fact that the worth of our dollar is "fiat" and we are deeply in debt is problematic.
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👍
 
i believe Einstein once said that nuclear weapons have effectively ended conventional war. this because if one person uses a nuclear weapon the other nation will soon counter with nuclear weapons.

and very about to start a cold war with china soon.. its only a matter of time. and i suppose we can in this case just substitute cold war into a massive competition for industry.
and hell competing against chinese economy would improve ours a hell of a lot..
i mean remember when the euro-union was being established.. and france and Germany's economy basically lost a lot of fuel.
why? because they basically made there existence competing with each other.. once that competition stopped.. Germany's economy almost became what it was in 1950.. with 50% unemployment.
 
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we just hear so many negative things about america these days. but there is no where I would rather live. except my own private island
 
where are you getting these statistics regarding the economic "downfall" of germany as caused by the EU. Thats a complete fallacy based on my own research.
I vehemently disagree that the budget for the DOD should be cut, rather i think its budget, along with NASA, should be increased. Our current modern society is based on many of the innovation that are a direct result of DOD/NASA research. I would argue that this spending will prove crucial in the future as much of America's current economic problems are a result of the shift away from technological innovation and productivity increases, towards a financial instruments based economy.
Finally, I don't understand the argument that the US will soon enter into a cold war conflict with China. China is ,by far, the largest holder of US treasury bonds and debt in general, and the United States is the largest purchaser of chinese goods. While there will be a conflict of influence between the United States and China in the future, it will most likely not result in open conflict. The current global economy is very different from the cold war era, and economies are much more connected than they have been in the past
 
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4021483,00.ht

is one source..

i've also lived in germany and switzerland and france for a while when i was traveling with my aunt and uncle..
most everyone realizes that the competition decrease has caused major damage to germany and frances economy
 
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For my country being so broken I'm a pretty happy guy. Oh well. Poor me.
 
avksx said:
Try 2x. Half of their forces are paramilitary which is code for "never fired a weapon in their life". So essentially, our armies are the same size.


Their total population is only 3x greater than ours, so I don't where they would be able to muster up an army ten times more numerable than ours.
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1) Strength in numbers

2) I'm willing to bet a far larger % of their population is either in the military or paramilitary than ours is
 
lol
i suppose...
but happiness doesnt fix the aging infrastructure lol..
if it did..
it'd be a very good day :laugh:
 
The infrastructure isn't about to collapse. The world isn't going to end. And America isn't self destructing. People need to stop watching Fox news.
 
serenade said:
or the history channel =D
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Every other week they have "Armageddon Week" or "Doomsday" or "Nostradamus 2012" or "How the world will end" and some theoretical garbage like that. How about teach me some history rather than predict my future?
 
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Make sure that your ellipses have three dots...

Gotta tell you though, I have people working in my research lab who are members of the Chinese military. It's a ploy man. They're just biding their time...

:meanie:
 
mipp0 said:
The answer is quite simple actually. Just because their population is 3x greater doesn't mean their standing army is proportionately greater (by 3x).
Look at N. Korea - it has one of the largest standing armies in the world, and relative to its size...

I would definitely disagree with your statement that our armies are the same size. They (PLA) have ~ 3.5 million standing, another million in reserve. China can also probably mobilize volunteers much faster than here. That's more than 3x ours buddy.
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vin5cent0 said:
1) Strength in numbers

2) I'm willing to bet a far larger % of their population is either in the military or paramilitary than ours is
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China has an active duty force of around 2.3 million while the United States has an active duty force of around 1.5 million, so it's actually less than 2x. China has a reserve force of around 800,000 while the U.S has a reserve force of around 1.5 million. You guys are thinking of China's PARAmilitary force, which is around 4 million strong. However, you need to keep in mind that paramilitary means things like the coast gaurd (and that's one of the more "powerful" examples). These guys (some of which are just normal police officers since in China they're counted as part of the military) are basically useless in actual combat situations. As for percentage, 11 (per 1000) U.S residents are in the armed forces while in China it's around 5.3 (per 1000). So we actually have a much larger percentage.

Also keep in mind that in modern warfare numbers are pretty much useless. It's all about weaponry. We spend nearly 700 billion a year on our military while China spends about 10% of that on theirs. I can gaurantee you China's outdated MiGs/T-54 tanks or even their new Su aircrafts won't stand a chance against an Abrams, Raptor, or the new Lightning II. Not to mention our surveillance/satellite technology is far more advanced. Air superiority means numbers don't matter. Remember that one B-2 spirit bomber+control of the air=thousands of dead soldiers in a matter of minutes.
 
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LuciusVorenus said:
China has an active duty force of around 2.3 million while the United States has an active duty force of around 1.5 million, so it's actually less than 2x. China has a reserve force of around 800,000 while the U.S has a reserve force of around 1.5 million. You guys are thinking of China's PARAmilitary force, which is around 4 million strong. However, you need to keep in mind that paramilitary means things like the coast gaurd (and that's one of the more "powerful"). These guys (some of which are just normal police officers since in China they're counted as part of the military) are basically useless in actual combat situations. As for percentage, 11 (per 1000) U.S residents are in the armed forces while in China it's around 5.3 (per 1000). So we actually have a much larger percentage.
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Not even taking into account the percentage of citizens that are armed. 😀
Maybe its just Texas, but thats still a lot. lol
 
LuciusVorenus said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vob-w_kjYc
go to 0:50 for the best part

"stores 32 rifles and 70 hand guns"
Only in America.
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Thats the most awesome thing I have ever seen!! Thats a frickin armory! I actually have a friend who could fill that, sadly. He sits out at his lake and shoots his 50 cal sniper rifle 😱

Your right, only in America.....I love America!
 
We definitely do not need another war. Sure it'll boost the economy, but for what price? It's better to look at the bright side of things. At least in America we can all go to college and pursue a career, that's not something everyone can do.
 
7starmantis said:
That is the funniest thing I have seen in a long time! :laugh::laugh:

I had to watch it twice!! Haha, Slavery! lol
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OK, so I'm from Mississippi. I have personally fired an AK-47 among other things. My dad was on the cover of Mississippi Outdoors hunting and fishing magazine: once for hunting and once for fishing. I lived on 10 acres near a national forest that was less than a mile from an army weapons range. My cousin was dishonorably discharged from the Navy. And my other cousin is a stripper.

That being said, I was not prepared for that video.

Wow.
 
Interesting thread. Thanks.
 
7starmantis said:
Not even taking into account the percentage of citizens that are armed. 😀
Maybe its just Texas, but thats still a lot. lol
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true story, one of the reasons the japanese didn't try an invasion of the US was the widespread belief that ever american was armed
 
bleargh said:
true story, one of the reasons the japanese didn't try an invasion of the US was the widespread belief that ever american was armed
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"It's the Japanese!
QUICK, get out dad's RPG"
 
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