What makes an outstanding lecture?

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Hey all,

Many of us lament the lack of quality of our medical school courses. We bemoan that our lectures are long winded, low yield, focused on minutiae, dry, uninformative, etc. And then we resort to staying at home or doing something else to learn. I like textbooks. But not everyone does.

But sometimes, there are lectures or courses that are truly outstanding. They don't happen nearly enough, but still, they happen.

So my goal in this thread is to identify the characteristics of the best lecturers (and the people who give them). What in your mind makes a lecture really great? What things does the instructor do? And what is your basis for judgement... in other words, do you do better on tests? Do you have longer retention of the material? Are you more engaged during the lecture?

I'm really interested to hear what everyone has to say.
 
See Pathoma.

Agreed. I use Dr Sattar as a model when telling others about outstanding teachers. But I'm trying to formalize what he does that's so great so that other teachers can follow suit.

One major thing he does is offer mechanistic explanations that anchor new info to existing knowledge. He also is clear and breaks down topics in to modules, which is consistent with our limited attention spans.
 
This is a difficult concept to master, and an incredibly few number of teachers (let alone physicians) effectively accomplish this task.

Most students THINK that a good lecture is one that gives the information in a clear, structured manner, with fluency of the speaker and the details layed out in a sequential order. This is only the fundamental, basest form of a "good lecture." When that lecture can integrate foreign or old topics, demonstrating application of the topic, or creating memory ques to help the learner recall the information at a later time, that is, then, a great lecture.

But most students approach it from the perspective of "I gotta know this for the test." That's what a "good" lecture is to an MS1 or MS2: will it help me on the test. This is why teachers like Pathoma (sattar) or Falcon (Goljan) are regarded as masters. They tell you what you will need to know for the test, give a clever way of remembering it, and so you remember. You might even do well on the test, come test day!

But masterful lecturers, those who really influence the learner, are those who do more than give the information in a linear, fluent manner. Masterful lecturers captivate the audience, draw them in. They inspire them to do the right thing. They retain their attention not because "they have to know what's being said" but because "it makes sense and I want to listen to this." There is a little theatrics in being an excellent lecturer, to be sure. You have to hook your audience, and keep them going. Learner engagement is crucial. There cannot be simply passive learning (i.e. "listening") there has to be actual engagement. And factual recall isn't engagement; that's called "pimping" and is anxiety provoking. Building natural bridges, logical connections in sequence, that's what a great lecture is about. But its not about the lecturer TELLING you the connections, its about getting learners to form those connections ON THEIR OWN while assessing those connections have been made.

The true test of a lecturer is not whether they recall the data on a test (unless, of course, your purpose as a teacher is preparation for the standardized exam). Rather, it is how the learner performs when confronted with a real life problem. You see someone with a fever and a headache. Do you get the CT scan because you know they are HIV or do you just do a lumbar puncture because you thought it was meningitis? A patient has a potassium of 7. Do you give a whole bunch of medications to fix it, or do you retest the likely hemolyzed sample?

Fundamentally:
1. Organization - the more spontaneous a lecture seems, the more rehersed it is (think of people flipping back and forth through a powerpoint slide = bad vs anticipating what is on the next slide with a smooth transition)
2. Fluency - the speaker has to be able to... speak
3. Engagement - is teh audience tuned in, are they part of the dialogue, or are they playing flash games at armorgames.com or checking their email every 5 minutes?
4. Presence - are learners intimidated and fearful of engagement? are learners so jovial that nothing is taken seriously? (Think of the attending who sits down in the front row to lecture = bad)
5. Focus - if the lecturer knows the audience, the talk will stay on topic. (Think: the biochem PhD talking about his fractal lens machine that can see the shape of sugars = bad)
6. Meaningful Visuals - reading your slides as a lecture is useless. The visuals -- be they at a white board, powerpoint, or a demonstration -- need to augment and assist what is being said; learners should not be "reading along" (see engagement).

Im sure there is more (I know there is more) but these are the fundamentals that make a great lecturer.
One major thing he does is offer mechanistic explanations that anchor new info to existing knowledge. He also is clear and breaks down topics in to modules, which is consistent with our limited attention spans.
Especially for "millenials" - which is what the current medical students are referred to as. Facebook, twitter, cell phones, laptops... i.e. constant distractions that must be fought against continually by lecturers.

Beyond that, it is character, charisma, and how motivating the lecturer is. Notice that "knowledge" is not up there. In fact, I feel that people who know a topic TOO well, are often TERRIBLE lecturers. My first lecture on Diabetes involved the Dean trial and the Rabbit 2 trial. I remember thinking "diabetes is about sugar, right? It comes from RABBITS!?" Its why it confuses me prep classes and even medical schools SELL that "their teachers are PhDs in their field... best in the world!" Who gives a shit. If you cant teach me anything through your microscopic view of the topic and through such a thick accent I can't understand anything you're saying, who gives a flying sexual-intercourse how well you know it? Im a medical doctor, not a post-doc...

Examples of varying degrees of awesomeness for different reasons... all of which are about performing on the test While great inspirations since they are so "good" there is that nagging feeling in the back of my mind that they aren't the true masters, their limitiations being their purpose...a MCQ exam:
1. Lionel Raymond, Kaplan biochem and pharm. Boring as all hell. Masterfully constructed flow and tying together non biochem/pharm topics so that things fit
2. Goljan - memory techniques and mechanism
3. Sattar - memory techniques and mechanism
4. Conrad Fischer, Kaplan internal medicine - engaging, flamboyancy creates memory, excellent test prep
 
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I like big picture overviews and quality analogies. And telling a story instead of listing facts.

Integration with being able to simplify is great too.
 
I have been a high school science teacher for 19 years. Now I am switching careers and going to start medical school. I have taken some classes lately to show that I am not "brain damaged" to the adcoms. Some of those classes have been totally awful, and another has been wonderful. Many of the points that are brought up in OveractiveBrain's post are spot on. A good lecture is from a TEACHER that knows how to engage the class. A good teacher can get the students to think about subject XXX over all the electronic distractions. A good teacher can draw the dots, then get the students to connect the dots on their own. THINKING about the material, not just passively absorbing the material. It is not diffusion, it is active transport. STUDENTS must make an effort to absorb the material, and a good teacher helps the process.

I sometimes think that college professors should take classes in education and theater (acting) to help them learn how to express their ideas.

dsoz


This is a difficult concept to master, and an incredibly few number of teachers (let alone physicians) effectively accomplish this task.

Most students THINK that a good lecture is one that gives the information in a clear, structured manner, with fluency of the speaker and the details layed out in a sequential order. This is only the fundamental, basest form of a "good lecture." When that lecture can integrate foreign or old topics, demonstrating application of the topic, or creating memory ques to help the learner recall the information at a later time, that is, then, a great lecture.

But most students approach it from the perspective of "I gotta know this for the test." That's what a "good" lecture is to an MS1 or MS2: will it help me on the test. This is why teachers like Pathoma (sattar) or Falcon (Goljan) are regarded as masters. They tell you what you will need to know for the test, give a clever way of remembering it, and so you remember. You might even do well on the test, come test day!

But masterful lecturers, those who really influence the learner, are those who do more than give the information in a linear, fluent manner. Masterful lecturers captivate the audience, draw them in. They inspire them to do the right thing. They retain their attention not because "they have to know what's being said" but because "it makes sense and I want to listen to this." There is a little theatrics in being an excellent lecturer, to be sure. You have to hook your audience, and keep them going. Learner engagement is crucial. There cannot be simply passive learning (i.e. "listening") there has to be actual engagement. And factual recall isn't engagement; that's called "pimping" and is anxiety provoking. Building natural bridges, logical connections in sequence, that's what a great lecture is about. But its not about the lecturer TELLING you the connections, its about getting learners to form those connections ON THEIR OWN while assessing those connections have been made.

The true test of a lecturer is not whether they recall the data on a test (unless, of course, your purpose as a teacher is preparation for the standardized exam). Rather, it is how the learner performs when confronted with a real life problem. You see someone with a fever and a headache. Do you get the CT scan because you know they are HIV or do you just do a lumbar puncture because you thought it was meningitis? A patient has a potassium of 7. Do you give a whole bunch of medications to fix it, or do you retest the likely hemolyzed sample?

Fundamentally:
1. Organization - the more spontaneous a lecture seems, the more rehersed it is (think of people flipping back and forth through a powerpoint slide = bad vs anticipating what is on the next slide with a smooth transition)
2. Fluency - the speaker has to be able to... speak
3. Engagement - is teh audience tuned in, are they part of the dialogue, or are they playing flash games at armorgames.com or checking their email every 5 minutes?
4. Presence - are learners intimidated and fearful of engagement? are learners so jovial that nothing is taken seriously? (Think of the attending who sits down in the front row to lecture = bad)
5. Focus - if the lecturer knows the audience, the talk will stay on topic. (Think: the biochem PhD talking about his fractal lens machine that can see the shape of sugars = bad)
6. Meaningful Visuals - reading your slides as a lecture is useless. The visuals -- be they at a white board, powerpoint, or a demonstration -- need to augment and assist what is being said; learners should not be "reading along" (see engagement).

Im sure there is more (I know there is more) but these are the fundamentals that make a great lecturer.

Especially for "millenials" - which is what the current medical students are referred to as. Facebook, twitter, cell phones, laptops... i.e. constant distractions that must be fought against continually by lecturers.

Beyond that, it is character, charisma, and how motivating the lecturer is. Notice that "knowledge" is not up there. In fact, I feel that people who know a topic TOO well, are often TERRIBLE lecturers. My first lecture on Diabetes involved the Dean trial and the Rabbit 2 trial. I remember thinking "diabetes is about sugar, right? It comes from RABBITS!?" Its why it confuses me prep classes and even medical schools SELL that "their teachers are PhDs in their field... best in the world!" Who gives a shit. If you cant teach me anything through your microscopic view of the topic and through such a thick accent I can't understand anything you're saying, who gives a flying sexual-intercourse how well you know it? Im a medical doctor, not a post-doc...

Examples of varying degrees of awesomeness for different reasons... all of which are about performing on the test While great inspirations since they are so "good" there is that nagging feeling in the back of my mind that they aren't the true masters, their limitiations being their purpose...a MCQ exam:
1. Lionel Raymond, Kaplan biochem and pharm. Boring as all hell. Masterfully constructed flow and tying together non biochem/pharm topics so that things fit
2. Goljan - memory techniques and mechanism
3. Sattar - memory techniques and mechanism
4. Conrad Fischer, Kaplan internal medicine - engaging, flamboyancy creates memory, excellent test prep
 
The best lectures are:

1. Optional. **** your required bull****; ain't nobody got time for that.
2. Clearly articulates what's going to be tested.
3. Shun minutiae unless it's absolutely necessary (hint, it's not).
4. Highlights important relevancy to boards.

Engaging the learner and all that other crap is pretty much worthless. There's so much information to gleam that spending any extra time on any one topic is counter-productive. Give me the important highlights, give me a sense of what will be tested on boards/exams and move on. I really don't need 15 landmarks on the femur bone unless those 15 landmarks actually mean something on the boards (hint, they don't).
 
The best lectures are:

1. Optional. **** your required bull****; ain't nobody got time for that.
2. Clearly articulates what's going to be tested.
3. Shun minutiae unless it's absolutely necessary (hint, it's not).
4. Highlights important relevancy to boards.

Engaging the learner and all that other crap is pretty much worthless. There's so much information to gleam that spending any extra time on any one topic is counter-productive. Give me the important highlights, give me a sense of what will be tested on boards/exams and move on. I really don't need 15 landmarks on the femur bone unless those 15 landmarks actually mean something on the boards (hint, they don't).

I can't wait to come back to academic medicine to teach inspired minds such as yours.
 
This is a difficult concept to master, and an incredibly few number of teachers (let alone physicians) effectively accomplish this task.

Most students THINK that a good lecture is one that gives the information in a clear, structured manner, with fluency of the speaker and the details layed out in a sequential order. This is only the fundamental, basest form of a "good lecture." When that lecture can integrate foreign or old topics, demonstrating application of the topic, or creating memory ques to help the learner recall the information at a later time, that is, then, a great lecture.

But most students approach it from the perspective of "I gotta know this for the test." That's what a "good" lecture is to an MS1 or MS2: will it help me on the test. This is why teachers like Pathoma (sattar) or Falcon (Goljan) are regarded as masters. They tell you what you will need to know for the test, give a clever way of remembering it, and so you remember. You might even do well on the test, come test day!

But masterful lecturers, those who really influence the learner, are those who do more than give the information in a linear, fluent manner. Masterful lecturers captivate the audience, draw them in. They inspire them to do the right thing. They retain their attention not because "they have to know what's being said" but because "it makes sense and I want to listen to this." There is a little theatrics in being an excellent lecturer, to be sure. You have to hook your audience, and keep them going. Learner engagement is crucial. There cannot be simply passive learning (i.e. "listening") there has to be actual engagement. And factual recall isn't engagement; that's called "pimping" and is anxiety provoking. Building natural bridges, logical connections in sequence, that's what a great lecture is about. But its not about the lecturer TELLING you the connections, its about getting learners to form those connections ON THEIR OWN while assessing those connections have been made.

The true test of a lecturer is not whether they recall the data on a test (unless, of course, your purpose as a teacher is preparation for the standardized exam). Rather, it is how the learner performs when confronted with a real life problem. You see someone with a fever and a headache. Do you get the CT scan because you know they are HIV or do you just do a lumbar puncture because you thought it was meningitis? A patient has a potassium of 7. Do you give a whole bunch of medications to fix it, or do you retest the likely hemolyzed sample?

Fundamentally:
1. Organization - the more spontaneous a lecture seems, the more rehersed it is (think of people flipping back and forth through a powerpoint slide = bad vs anticipating what is on the next slide with a smooth transition)
2. Fluency - the speaker has to be able to... speak
3. Engagement - is teh audience tuned in, are they part of the dialogue, or are they playing flash games at armorgames.com or checking their email every 5 minutes?
4. Presence - are learners intimidated and fearful of engagement? are learners so jovial that nothing is taken seriously? (Think of the attending who sits down in the front row to lecture = bad)
5. Focus - if the lecturer knows the audience, the talk will stay on topic. (Think: the biochem PhD talking about his fractal lens machine that can see the shape of sugars = bad)
6. Meaningful Visuals - reading your slides as a lecture is useless. The visuals -- be they at a white board, powerpoint, or a demonstration -- need to augment and assist what is being said; learners should not be "reading along" (see engagement).

Im sure there is more (I know there is more) but these are the fundamentals that make a great lecturer.

Especially for "millenials" - which is what the current medical students are referred to as. Facebook, twitter, cell phones, laptops... i.e. constant distractions that must be fought against continually by lecturers.

Beyond that, it is character, charisma, and how motivating the lecturer is. Notice that "knowledge" is not up there. In fact, I feel that people who know a topic TOO well, are often TERRIBLE lecturers. My first lecture on Diabetes involved the Dean trial and the Rabbit 2 trial. I remember thinking "diabetes is about sugar, right? It comes from RABBITS!?" Its why it confuses me prep classes and even medical schools SELL that "their teachers are PhDs in their field... best in the world!" Who gives a shit. If you cant teach me anything through your microscopic view of the topic and through such a thick accent I can't understand anything you're saying, who gives a flying sexual-intercourse how well you know it? Im a medical doctor, not a post-doc...

Examples of varying degrees of awesomeness for different reasons... all of which are about performing on the test While great inspirations since they are so "good" there is that nagging feeling in the back of my mind that they aren't the true masters, their limitiations being their purpose...a MCQ exam:
1. Lionel Raymond, Kaplan biochem and pharm. Boring as all hell. Masterfully constructed flow and tying together non biochem/pharm topics so that things fit
2. Goljan - memory techniques and mechanism
3. Sattar - memory techniques and mechanism
4. Conrad Fischer, Kaplan internal medicine - engaging, flamboyancy creates memory, excellent test prep

Wow! This is a great response. Thanks so much! It's clear you've though about this subject more than a few times 🙂

I think your observations are quite accurate.

I've been doing some research on the aspects of effective lecturing, and your insights overlap with what a lot of the evidence says.

You're right that what a lot of med students say is 'good lecturing' is clear and concise information transmission. To be sure, that's an important first step, but that's actually the lowest value that an expert teacher can offer. We can do that on our own, likely better. Go read a book. What a decent video. It's the integration and application part that could use the guidance of a skilled facilitator. That's the trend in education right now - the 'flipped classroom'. I think there's merit to that. But that brings a whole new set of challenges. Facilitating problem solving is more demanding than showing up to a lecture hall to rattle off bullet points. If our med school teachers already do a bad enough job of that, I'm not sure they'll be any better at the more challenging tasks. That is... unless they take some time to learn about what we know works in teaching. Just like everything else in life, you need to work hard to be an effective instructor. But we assume that just because someone has lots of domain knowledge and is an expert, that they should automatically be an effective teacher. Not true.
 
The best lectures are:

1. Optional. **** your required bull****; ain't nobody got time for that.
2. Clearly articulates what's going to be tested.
3. Shun minutiae unless it's absolutely necessary (hint, it's not).
4. Highlights important relevancy to boards.

Engaging the learner and all that other crap is pretty much worthless. There's so much information to gleam that spending any extra time on any one topic is counter-productive. Give me the important highlights, give me a sense of what will be tested on boards/exams and move on. I really don't need 15 landmarks on the femur bone unless those 15 landmarks actually mean something on the boards (hint, they don't).

I'm sympathetic to this response, even though it's narrow. Med school and residencies have made Step 1 performance one of the most important, if not the most important, components of future career prospects. Is it any wonder then that driven and career-minded students w/ lots of debt should want to focus their energies on this hurdle more than any other? It's a bad incentive. In an ideal world, there would be large overlap between what is tested on Step 1 and what is deemed worthy of teaching at medical school. But often, there is little overlap, and med students must do double duty - learn for class, and learn for boards. It's a shame. It pulls people in two directions, with boards winning out most of the time. I'm as guilty as anyone else in this regard. But truth be told, I'd say I learned more about medicine through Step 1 studying than I did by anything my school gave me (and I go to a top 10 school), mostly because there was no direction in the curriculum: lecturers just showed up and talked about their research stuff. Sure, that's great, but it's not what I need to know.

Hopefully we can either (1) diminish the importance of Step 1 in the future or (2) make more overlap between Step 1 and medical school curricula.
 
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