What makes DO's more desirable than Big Three Carib grads?

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DetectiveAlonzo said:
I've made plenty of mistakes.

Getting totally hammered and beating up random individuals while proceeding to thrash their property is not one of them.

A few spritzers and I am outttt. I'm a classy lady. 😉
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So you can't think of one thing that you've done that would look pretty bad if it had been caught on camera?
Seriously, for a M1 DO student you sure have some growing up to do before residency if you think judging your colleagues like that is going to get you anywhere.
 
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pmrapplicant16 said:
So you can't think of one thing that you've done that would look pretty bad if it had been caught on camera?
Seriously, for a M1 DO student you sure have some growing up to do before residency if you think judging your colleagues like that is going to get you anywhere.
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Does twerking to really trashy music count? Cause I am not ashamed at all. Not me!
 
j4pac said:
OP, is this not you?



You do understand that by taking a year off, your medical career is likely done? Read Goro's post...



You do realize why you are going to struggle to keep your career afloat if you do not renew?
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This girl personifies everything Goro said was wrong with IMGs, amazing how some people can handle medical school and have no common sense.
 
SLC said:
I have to say that all of our DNR's this year were USMD's, and I was shocked at the names of the schools they went to.

And track record? Of what? Of being a good undergraduate student? To assume that USMD is a better candidate "almost by definition" is to have blinders on "almost by definition"
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Didn't you soap into your program? It's almost a compliment for the people who weren't ranked
 
Psai said:
Didn't you soap into your program? It's almost a compliment for the people who weren't ranked
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I did, but trust me, my program isn't one that people want to steer clear of. It's a Doximity top 20 program (out of about 450)
 
SLC said:
I did, but trust me, my program isn't one that people want to steer clear of. It's a Doximity top 20 program (out of about 450)
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I'm not too aware of Doximity. Is this now the legit method of polling a residency's standing in the country?
 
Psai said:
Didn't you soap into your program? It's almost a compliment for the people who weren't ranked
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A lot of good FM programs underrank applicants because they can snag better applicants in the SOAP than they do in their regular app cycle. Why rank a lower stat applicant when you know there'll be a few people that shot too high but otherwise have decent apps that are desperate to match anywhere in the SOAP?
 
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Mad Jack said:
A lot of good FM programs underrank applicants because they can snag better applicants in the SOAP than they do in their regular app cycle. Why rank a lower stat applicant when you know there'll be a few people that shot too high vut otherwise have decent apps that are desperate to match anywhere in the SOAP?
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In my program's case, it's a matter of traditionally having a few residents each year come in through the couples match. Which didn't happen this year. It was the first time that anyone currently associated with the program is aware of that we didn't fill in the match.
 
Mad Jack said:
A lot of good FM programs underrank applicants because they can snag better applicants in the SOAP than they do in their regular app cycle. Why rank a lower stat applicant when you know there'll be a few people that shot too high vut otherwise have decent apps that are desperate to match anywhere in the SOAP?
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We did rank 87 for 8 spots, so I think ranking 10 for each spot is reasonable.
 
Doctor4Life1769 said:
I'm not too aware of Doximity. Is this now the legit method of polling a residency's standing in the country?
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It's the best list I'm aware of. It's based almost exclusively on senior physicians perceptions of recent graduates of the programs. There are obvious problems with that methodology IMO, but it's the most frequently cited ranking system I've seen.
 
SLC said:
It's the best list I'm aware of. It's based almost exclusively on senior physicians perceptions of recent graduates of the programs. There are obvious problems with that methodology IMO, but it's the most frequently cited ranking system I've seen.
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So, not reliable at all. Thanks
 
SLC said:
It's the best list I'm aware of. It's based almost exclusively on senior physicians perceptions of recent graduates of the programs. There are obvious problems with that methodology IMO, but it's the most frequently cited ranking system I've seen.
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I don't know anyone in graduate medical education who takes Doximity rankings seriously. Now, they will still make an effort to get alumni to submit their survey. Like med schools with US News, they know that even a meaningless ranking can be used to impress applicants.
 
22031 Alum said:
I don't know anyone in graduate medical education who takes Doximity rankings seriously. Now, they will still make an effort to get alumni to submit their survey. Like med schools with US News, they know that even a meaningless ranking can be used to impress applicants.
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Like I said. Problems with methodology, but still the most frequently cited system I've come across.

And for the record, nobody in my program leadership talks about the list, I found our rank on my own after seeing mention of it here on SDN initially.

Doctor4Life1769 said:
So, not reliable at all. Thanks
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Is there such a thing as 'reliable' when it comes to these things, rankings of these types of things are almost 100% based on conjecture.

CopaceticOne said:
Lolololololololololololol
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Uh...thanks for the insight?
 
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SLC said:
Like I said. Problems with methodology, but still the most frequently cited system I've come across.
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Most frequently cited by people who don't know any better isn't a good thing. At least not in discussion here, among professionals. You could just say that your program is considered very strong in your field, without relying on "Ivy League" (like you have earlier) or Doximity rankings like now. In short, you're using criteria that don't mean as much to this audience, when you don't even need to.
 
SLC said:
Like I said. Problems with methodology, but still the most frequently cited system I've come across.

And for the record, nobody in my program leadership talks about the list, I found our rank on my own after seeing mention of it here on SDN initially.



Is there such a thing as 'reliable' when it comes to these things, rankings of these types of things are almost 100% based on conjecture.



Uh...thanks for the insight?
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It's not an entirely scientific poll. It's purely subjective
 
Doctor4Life1769 said:
It's not an entirely scientific poll. It's purely subjective
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Is there such a thing as an entirely scientific poll of residency program quality?

22031 Alum said:
Most frequently cited by people who don't know any better isn't a good thing. At least not in discussion here, among professionals. You could just say that your program is considered very strong in your field, without relying on "Ivy League" (like you have earlier) or Doximity rankings like now. In short, you're using criteria that don't mean as much to this audience, when you don't even need to.
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I've seen Doximity held out as the best (maybe only) residency ranking system by people on this site. You'll have to forgive me for not knowing most of you in this part of the forum think it's crap (assuming it's not just you and Doctor4life1769 that think that way).

If you ask me, most ranking systems are generally crap, but they still exist and they're seemingly important to a lot of people.
 
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SLC said:
Is there such a thing as an entirely scientific poll of residency program quality?
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No. Which is why nobody in academics uses those polls to discuss program quality. Everybody in your field knows what the strong programs are. Those of us who aren't, wouldn't know unless we ask someone- which is easy enough that we don't need to use any poll.
 
22031 Alum said:
No. Which is why nobody in academics uses those polls to discuss program quality. Everybody in your field knows what the strong programs are. Those of us who aren't, wouldn't know unless we ask someone- which is easy enough that we don't need to use any poll.
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But isn't the bolded part pretty much exactly what the Doximity list is? A compilation of people's opinions?
 
Doctor4Life1769 said:
I thought Doximity was some Facebook like circle jerk for medical professionals.
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Circle jerk or not, the site has a decent number of physicians. Basically, they get about 10,000 responses per year of people's opinion of the top 5 programs in their specialty country, and use those opinions to determine which programs are the most highly regarded within a specialty.
 
Mad Jack said:
Circle jerk or not, the site has a decent number of physicians. Basically, they get about 10,000 responses per year of people's opinion of the top 5 programs in their specialty country, and use those opinions to determine which programs are the most highly regarded within a specialty.
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Hm. Fair enough.

I seemed to recall getting spam emails 3-4 years ago to join until I blocked it.
 
SLC said:
But isn't the bolded part pretty much exactly what the Doximity list is? A compilation of people's opinions?
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Personally, the campaigning I know is involved in Doximity makes me take it less seriously. If I were inclined to truly educate myself about programs in any specialty other than mine, I'd ask around. I'd find out who's had a run of losing residents, filling from the scramble, boards failures, a new unproven PD, a mass faculty exodus... The list goes on. But I guess those rankings are an easier way to say "This program is strong" in a more vague sense.
 
SLC said:
I did, but trust me, my program isn't one that people want to steer clear of. It's a Doximity top 20 program (out of about 450)
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That says much more about doximity than your program. I'm not sure where you're seeing all these citations of doximity when it's barely in its second year. Not sure why it impresses you so much

I also don't buy the argument about soap. "Yeah we would rather have someone that no one wanted rather than take a chance on this guy that actually wanted to come here". Yeah, no. The people who don't match as good candidates aren't going to soap into your program. They're going to do a prelim or a year of research and try the competitive thing again
 
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Psai said:
That says much more about doximity than your program. I'm not sure where you're seeing all these citations of doximity when it's barely in its second year. Not sure why it impresses you so much

I also don't buy the argument about soap. "Yeah we would rather have someone that no one wanted rather than take a chance on this guy that actually wanted to come here". Yeah, no. The people who don't match as good candidates aren't going to soap into your program. They're going to do a prelim or a year of research and try the competitive thing again
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Agreed.
We also say that the folks we interview will likely be much better than anyone who we could pick up via SOAP.
Every time we want to DNR a candidate, our PD always reminds us of that fact.
 
Doctor4Life1769 said:
Agreed.
We also say that the folks we interview will likely be much better than anyone who we could pick up via SOAP.
Every time we want to DNR a candidate, our PD always reminds us of that fact.
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our PD was cautious about DNR'ing people too. Didn't go as far as saying we wouldn't be likely to find someone better in SOAP, but that it would be an unknown, and that we should give real consideration to whether we would rather take that chance than work with the people on our list.

Im doing well based on evaluations, faculty comments, and ITE scores, but they could have ended up with someone who was not so good.
 
SLC said:
our PD was cautious about DNR'ing people too. Didn't go as far as saying we wouldn't be likely to find someone better in SOAP, but that it would be an unknown, and that we should give real consideration to whether we would rather take that chance than work with the people on our list.

Im doing well based on evaluations, faculty comments, and ITE scores, but they could have ended up with someone who was not so good.
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You do understand that what your faculty says about getting people from the SOAP in front of you is influenced by the fact that it's how they got you, right? If my program has to SOAP, the resident we get will hear the line "We might get someone great that way!" And will never hear about how vehemently we wanted to avoid SOAPing.

Basically, I know you can only go with what you've experienced, but I highly highly doubt your program felt so great about SOAPing before they had to do it.
 
22031 Alum said:
You do understand that what your faculty says about getting people from the SOAP in front of you is influenced by the fact that it's how they got you, right? If my program has to SOAP, the resident we get will hear the line "We might get someone great that way!" And will never hear about how vehemently we wanted to avoid SOAPing.

Basically, I know you can only go with what you've experienced, but I highly highly doubt your program felt so great about SOAPing before they had to do it.
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Is there something I've written that makes you think they did? I know they had zero desire to SOAP, I know they have zero desire to do it this year. My PD was very clear about that.

And I don't expect anyone to say anything other than "SOAP went well for us last year, but we might not be so lucky if we had to do it again this year" when I'm around. Which is basically what they say.

But when they fill out my evaluations, they don't have to say that my knowledge and capabilities are above my peers, and give me nearly perfect marks if I'm not cutting it because I was some bottom shelf resident they snagged out of the trash heap in SOAP either. So I guess I'm saying I believe them when they say they feel they were fortunate in the SOAP. But of course we could end up with a dud who doesn't make it through intern year just as easily and everyone knows that.

The other part of the equation is that if a program soap's it may imply that they filled at least a few from low on their list as well, which may color their perceptions of me.

So I guess I'm saying that I'm not trying to pat myself on the back as much as point out that I think SOAP turned out OK for my program.
 
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SLC said:
Is there something I've written that makes you think they did? I know they had zero desire to SOAP, I know they have zero desire to do it this year. My PD was very clear about that.

And I don't expect anyone to say anything other than "SOAP went well for us last year, but we might not be so lucky if we had to do it again this year" when I'm around. Which is basically what they say.

But when they fill out my evaluations, they don't have to say that my knowledge and capabilities are above my peers, and give me nearly perfect marks if I'm not cutting it because I was some bottom shelf resident they snagged out of the trash heap in SOAP either. So I guess I'm saying I believe them when they say they feel they were fortunate in the SOAP. But of course we could end up with a dud who doesn't make it through intern year just as easily and everyone knows that.

The other part of the equation is that if a program soap's it may imply that they filled at least a few from low on their list as well, which may color their perceptions of me.

So I guess I'm saying that I'm not trying to pat myself on the back as much as point out that I think SOAP turned out OK for my program.
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I'll be honest, I was reading your post which I quoted, in light of a comment earlier on that was actually from Mad Jack, not you. That's my bad.
 
Doctor4Life1769 said:
So, not reliable at all. Thanks
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It's accurate in determining program prestige. Which everyone knows is not always an accurate measure of the quality of the program. But prestige could be part of the equation in determining the quality of the program. The more prestigious programs tend to have lots of resources, funding, research opportunity, and large alumni networks (which could help with fellowship and employment).

I think the Doxy has some value.
 
Doctor4Life1769 said:
We did rank 87 for 8 spots, so I think ranking 10 for each spot is reasonable.
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My residency used to interview around 11 applicants for each spot and generally rank 10 per spot. But it depends on the program's history and competition within the region/specialty. If the same 100 people all interview at the same dozen programs, the least popular program can end up deep in their rank list very quickly. By the end of the interview season the applicants all seem to know each other because they've interviewed together a bunch of times before.
 
Law2Doc said:
My residency used to interview around 11 applicants for each spot and generally rank 10 per spot. But it depends on the program's history and competition within the region/specialty. If the same 100 people all interview at the same dozen programs, the least popular program can end up deep in their rank list very quickly. By the end of the interview season the applicants all seem to know each other because they've interviewed together a bunch of times before.
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We interviewed 12 per spot
 
SLC said:
I have to say that all of our DNR's this year were USMD's, and I was shocked at the names of the schools they went to.

And track record? Of what? Of being a good undergraduate student? To assume that USMD is a better candidate "almost by definition" is to have blinders on "almost by definition"
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What was going on with those USMD's who didn't get ranked? Did they have some criminal record or were they terribly introverted during interview day?
 
lemonlove said:
What was going on with those USMD's who didn't get ranked? Did they have some criminal record or were they terribly introverted during interview day?
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I'm curious about this as well. Introverted is one thing, but honestly I've met way more people than I expected in 3rd year that are either socially awkward or don't really get their place in medicine (we're not doctors yet, stop treating people like you imagine doctors do - disrespecting nurses, being impatient with staff, ignoring or talking back to patients) or how cocky/lazy/uninterested they come off in front of residents, attendings, and even patients. It's crazy. Don't get me wrong, there are tons that are great, even in difficult situations, but others really make me wonder. If I were to guess, it would be those people that aren't ranked.
 
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pmrapplicant16 said:
Grow up. Like you've never made a mistake.
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Everyone's made a mistake. The "mistake" made in that video of that neurologist is disgraceful. Don't play it down. People are always apologetic after they are caught. If no one video taped that incident that neurologist would have continued to pretend like nothing happened.
 
TheWorldWarrior said:
Everyone's made a mistake. The "mistake" made in that video of that neurologist is disgraceful. Don't play it down. People are always apologetic after they are caught. If no one video taped that incident that neurologist would have continued to pretend like nothing happened.
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seriously? you woke this thread up for what??? cuz you have nuthin' else to do?? her 15 mins is done and over with ...move on...
 
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