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My grandmother practices naturopathic medicine. When I had salmonella, she said that all I needed was to have a dead man's hat put on my face and I'd be cured. So she went on a walk through the village trying to find a house where a man had recently died so she could borrow a hat.
uhhh...lol.
N.D.'s who graduate from accredited universities in Ontario would probably disagree with that depiction of naturopathic medicine.
That being said, I'm not sure what I think of it, but I do know that I'd rather trust hard science either way...
Yeah, that post was written in a joking manner, of course, but my grandma is heavy into herbs and teas and what not, so I immediately had a flashback to my childhood when we'd go pick wild strawberries and dry the leaves to make tea that's supposed to help with stomach ailments.
But I personally think it's BS. Yeah, herbs and stuff can be good for you, but then pharmaceutical companies extract the compounds that ARE useful, amplify the dose, and you get a pill that has the same effect as 2 gallons of dried bluberries that'd take you weeks to consume. And with that pill, you'd actually be able to consult your physician and/or pharmacist about the interactions with any other drugs you might be taking, as opposed to some random herbal tea.
On another note, "accredited" doesn't mean much. They have accredited astrology schools.
My mother was huge into 'homeopathy' and naturopathy and whatnot.
Watch this video for a good laugh. http://youtube.com/watch?v=4ZEi8l7p56I It's a "doctor" of homeopathy explaining how it works. Its amazing that when someone throws out a few scientific words from highschool biology, people are convinced.
PS, did anyone see that late night infomercial with this guy named Kevin Trudeau. He was selling book called "Cures they don't want you to know about." Pretty funny stuff, yet surprisingly scary that the book was a NY Times bestseller.
Watch this video for a good laugh. http://youtube.com/watch?v=4ZEi8l7p56I It's a "doctor" of homeopathy explaining how it works. Its amazing that when someone throws out a few scientific words from highschool biology, people are convinced.
PS, did anyone see that late night infomercial with this guy named Kevin Trudeau. He was selling book called "Cures they don't want you to know about." Pretty funny stuff, yet surprisingly scary that the book was a NY Times bestseller.
Link/proof?And Homeopathy is already paid for by most of the European state run health care systems.
Link/proof?
It's the field devoted to developing more efficient ways to seperate the sick from their money.
It's quite upsetting to know that many of you will be future doctors and you have no tolerance of or curiosity about ways of looking at health and medicine different from those with which you were brough up.
It's quite upsetting to know that many of you will be future doctors and you have no tolerance of or curiosity about ways of looking at health and medicine different from those with which you were brough up.
It's quite upsetting to know that many of you will be future doctors and you have no tolerance of or curiosity about ways of looking at health and medicine different from those with which you were brough up.
It's quite upsetting to know that many of you will be future doctors and you have no tolerance of or curiosity about ways of looking at health and medicine different from those with which you were brough up.
I agree that we should be more open to other ways at looking at health and medicine, but only where we think it will help our patients. If a naturopathic doctor can help my patient live a more healthy lifestyle, then great! However, we also must be prepared to explain to our patients the difference between evidence based treatment and treatment without scientific evidence to back it up. As with everything, we must take the approach of "how will this help my patient?".
My grandmother practices naturopathic medicine. When I had salmonella, she said that all I needed was to have a dead man's hat put on my face and I'd be cured. So she went on a walk through the village trying to find a house where a man had recently died so she could borrow a hat.
sounds like a witch doctor.
Yes... people, stop being so ignorant and intolerant in your obsession in only finding things that "work" and are backed up by so-called "evidence." Besides, it's so much cooler to say that you practice radical natural "Oriental" medicine rather than boring stuffy old Western medicine. 🙄
Seriously... us Establishment medical types constantly offer homeopaths/chiros/ naturopaths/etc etc the chance to subject their practices to the rigors of peer-reviewed, prospective clinical trials. Not surprisingly, few have put their "naturalistic" "holistic" methods up for a Pepsi challenge against real medicine.
(The one exception is acupuncture, for which some pilot studies demonstrate small yet significant benefits for some pain/stress conditions. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/e...ez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum )
Watch this video for a good laugh. http://youtube.com/watch?v=4ZEi8l7p56I It's a "doctor" of homeopathy explaining how it works. Its amazing that when someone throws out a few scientific words from highschool biology, people are convinced.
PS, did anyone see that late night infomercial with this guy named Kevin Trudeau. He was selling book called "Cures they don't want you to know about." Pretty funny stuff, yet surprisingly scary that the book was a NY Times bestseller.
there is very little funding for hmoepathic and naturapthic medicine. Most allopathic medicne is heavily funded and thats why there is so much studying being done and hence "crdibility". (note i'm not saying that homeo and naturo actually works, but you can't really say it doesn't sicne there hasn't been NEARLY enough funded studies on it)
This is hilarious.Watch this video for a good laugh. http://youtube.com/watch?v=4ZEi8l7p56I It's a "doctor" of homeopathy explaining how it works.
there is very little funding for hmoepathic and naturapthic medicine. Most allopathic medicne is heavily funded and thats why there is so much studying being done and hence "crdibility". (note i'm not saying that homeo and naturo actually works, but you can't really say it doesn't sicne there hasn't been NEARLY enough funded studies on it)
Ha! That was a well-spent 8 minutes of my life. Actually, if you go to www.naturopathyonline.com, you can "Find a Physician". Is that legal?This is hilarious.
Ha! That was a well-spent 8 minutes of my life. Actually, if you go to www.naturopathyonline.com, you can "Find a Physician". Is that legal?
It's a whole lot of crap. Panda's blog - www.pandabearmd.com has been making a lot of posts about this lately, and some people are seriously trying to argue that homeopathy is legitimate.
I find Panda as entertaining as the next guy but I think it weird how many people on SDN reference his blog like it's UpToDate. He's just one guy with an opinion. One cranky guy indeed. 😕
That homeopathy video was.....something. She made it sound like Einstein endorsed homeopathy.
I cannot say I knew much about homeopathy prior to watching that video - but I had heard somewhere that homeopathy was the idea of "like treating like" - kind of like a vaccination in which you use trace amounts of inactivated Rubella to prevent Rubella. I am just making up this example, but I thought homeopathy was where they used small amounts of something like caffeine for example to treat insomnia or something - I just made that example up, I have no idea if that is right or not. Or used trace amounts of syrup of Ipecac to stop vomiting - again I am just trying to imagine a situation of like treats like, but I thought it was something like that.
Yeah, herbs and stuff can be good for you, but then pharmaceutical companies extract the compounds that ARE useful, amplify the dose, and you get a pill that has the same effect as 2 gallons of dried bluberries that'd take you weeks to consume.
Try this site for an overview of the beliefs of homeopathy:
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html
Edit: PT2MD! Dude! You beat me to it!
um, no. pharmaceutical companies IMITATE the natural compounds with desirable properties (Taxol, synthetic imitations of Mucuna Pruriens). in all these cases that REAL thing is more effective than the synthesized version because of all those apparently "useless" compounds along with it.
see, this is my problem with "modern" Western medicine. 👎 they think they know everything. and we really don't know (cancer survival rates have not budged since 1950).
and we really don't know (cancer survival rates have not budged since 1950).
um, no. pharmaceutical companies IMITATE the natural compounds with desirable properties (Taxol, synthetic imitations of Mucuna Pruriens). in all these cases that REAL thing is more effective than the synthesized version because of all those apparently "useless" compounds along with it.
see, this is my problem with "modern" Western medicine. 👎 they think they know everything. and we really don't know (cancer survival rates have not budged since 1950).
That's not true, I just did a search on cancer survival rates and the top 3 documents (didn't look past) all showed improvement in survival rates since the 70s.see, this is my problem with "modern" Western medicine. 👎 they think they know everything. and we really don't know (cancer survival rates have not budged since 1950).
I find Panda as entertaining as the next guy but I think it weird how many people on SDN reference his blog like it's UpToDate. He's just one guy with an opinion. One cranky guy indeed. 😕
um, no. pharmaceutical companies IMITATE the natural compounds with desirable properties (Taxol, synthetic imitations of Mucuna Pruriens). in all these cases that REAL thing is more effective than the synthesized version because of all those apparently "useless" compounds along with it.
see, this is my problem with "modern" Western medicine. 👎 they think they know everything. and we really don't know (cancer survival rates have not budged since 1950).
see, this is my problem with "modern" Western medicine. 👎 they think they know everything. and we really don't know (cancer survival rates have not budged since 1950).
Not trying to upset anyone. I believe that cancer survival rates have increased in the US due to better treatment. However, doesn't some of this have to do with earlier diagnoses in patients due to better technology. From what I have learned in some cases people survive for just as long as they normally would, but are said to have survived longer just because survival time is usually only taken from the date of diagnosis and not from when the cancer first developed in the patient's body.
Or higher. That's the danger of herbal meds, there's no consistency. Nor is there any need to prove efficacy under the FDA as they're considere food/supplements. I'm all for looking into other cures for diseases, but they need jump through the same hoops as other medical treatments if they are to be considered as such.I just finished defending my thesis on colorectal cancer, and I can say that the 5-yr survival rate for colorectal cancer is 5-7%. Think about that. That is NOTHING. After decades of research - you have a 95% chance of dying from colorectal cancer (you could almost say that with statistical significance). It's easy to say survival rate increased 500% when you started out at 1% survival...
I'm as much for pharmacological treatment as the next guy, but we shouldn't pretend like we know everything there is to know. Drugs have LOTS of side effects that we don't really know about, and oftentimes, using extractions of natural herbs will reduce those extraneous reactions (while providing the active drug, albeit at a potentially lower dose).