What to "know" for anatomy?

[Knicks]

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Of course there's a myriad of details one can study for this topic.


What are the main things "necessary" for Step 1?


furthermore, [those who have taken the step 1 and passed] what did you use for anatomy?


If you could address these 2 questions, I'd appreciate it.

 

[lord_jeebus]

What do you mean by "necessary"? Necessary to pass? Necessary to answer 95% of the questions?

I flipped through Baby Moore and HY Gross Anatomy. The former was ok, the latter useless. I also spent a few hours reviewing my atlas, this was worthwhile.

 

[Knicks]

Necessary to answer 95.56832% of the questions.

 

[lord_jeebus]

For that level of knowledge you would need to go back to your atlas and core textbook. Obscure muscles of the face, interpretation of radiographs/MRI of all joints, the whole shebang.

If you're content with 75%, Baby Moore blue boxes and First Aid.

In my experience, Step I Gross was pretty hard, and many of the questions I got right by remembering things from class (which was during 2nd year at my school).

 

[Knicks]

^^ cool, thanks.


Anyone else care to chime in as well?

 

[Instatewaiter]

I would of course know what is in FA.

In addition know radiographs of the chest, MRIs of the brain (a biggie), and CT/MRI of abdomen.

The most impt things will be covered in FA or UWorld.

 

[tfom08]

I also spent a few hours reviewing my atlas, this was worthwhile.

I did this as well, by reviewing body parts in Netters as I went over missed questions in UW. I think this was the most useful thing I did, although I still don't think I killed anatomy or anything. I only had one question that I can remember from FA and it was about which motions are performed by a certain muscle. Not a single brachial plexus or lower limb innervation question. I still think those are the most high yield topics, but I guess just don't be surprised if you don't get a question about those topics. I had a lot of images/angiograms that were really nothing that I could have studied for except for in an atlas.

 

[lord_jeebus]

I did this as well, by reviewing body parts in Netters as I went over missed questions in UW. I think this was the most useful thing I did, although I still don't think I killed anatomy or anything. I only had one question that I can remember from FA and it was about which motions are performed by a certain muscle. Not a single brachial plexus or lower limb innervation question. I still think those are the most high yield topics, but I guess just don't be surprised if you don't get a question about those topics. I had a lot of images/angiograms that were really nothing that I could have studied for except for in an atlas.

Sounds like my test

I think that a lot of the anatomy questions are written to make you apply your knowledge to things (such as various kinds of imaging) that you haven't seen before. All can be answered with a solid knowledge of gross anatomy, and the confidence to apply it in a new scenario.

A lot of people recommend getting radiology atlases and such but I don't know if it's worth the trouble. Maybe for learning chest x-ray.

 

[BrisketAttack]

it's critical to know where the ballsack is. i thought it was on the shin, and got that question wrong. that's free advice buddy. the next'll cost ya.

 

[tfom08]

it's critical to know where the ballsack is. i thought it was on the shin, and got that question wrong. that's free advice buddy. the next'll cost ya.

Along the same lines, here is the most high yield anatomy post I have ever seen on SDN. The best image is about half way down the first page.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=35811

 

[Pontifex Maximus]

Anatomy has seemingly increased on Step 1 for a lot of people. The type of anatomy questions I was getting and others have been getting is not possible with just FA. Muscle insertions and crap like that. I think its definitely time to put Road Map Gross or something like it on the book list.

 

[ZonaRidicularis]

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[Knicks]

Anatomy has seemingly increased on Step 1 for a lot of people. The type of anatomy questions I was getting and others have been getting is not possible with just FA. Muscle insertions and crap like that. I think its definitely time to put Road Map Gross or something like it on the book list.

Are you kidding me!!!!?? 😡 👎 🙁

 

[car123]

The anatomy questions on the NBME seem okay.....but I guess the recent usmle changes have made this section of the test much more difficult..😡

 

[BrisketAttack]

Are you kidding me!!!!?? 😡 👎 🙁

I really feel ponti's advice is excessive. true, there will be anatomy in weird contexts on step 1, but if you did reasonably well in anatomy, you'll be able to reason the question out (in most cases). remember that step 1 is becoming more of a reasoning type of test, and simply memorizing all the muscle insertions (way way too low yield!!!) will not likely yield a single extra point for you. i'd focus on knowing the biggies inside and out (path, pharm, phys) and you'll be able to answer 80% of the questions on the test. conclusion: the anatomy section isn't as horrendous as some would make it seem, and even if there are some tough ones, they're just too strange and rare to prepare for, so focus on the high yield stuff.

 

[osli]

I agree. Anatomy questions on my test were pretty difficult, and only about half were covered at all in FA, but the total number was still limited and it would not have been a good use of my time to relearn all of Netters and beef up on MRI and CT interpretation to get those extra couple of questions. If you really wanted to ace the anatomy part, I'm not sure what to tell you to study. If you want to ace the exam, just remember that your time might be better spent on tractable areas such as physio, path, pharm, biochem, micro, etc.

 

[Knicks]

I really feel ponti's advice is excessive. true, there will be anatomy in weird contexts on step 1, but if you did reasonably well in anatomy, you'll be able to reason the question out (in most cases). remember that step 1 is becoming more of a reasoning type of test, and simply memorizing all the muscle insertions (way way too low yield!!!) will not likely yield a single extra point for you. i'd focus on knowing the biggies inside and out (path, pharm, phys) and you'll be able to answer 80% of the questions on the test. conclusion: the anatomy section isn't as horrendous as some would make it seem, and even if there are some tough ones, they're just too strange and rare to prepare for, so focus on the high yield stuff.

I agree. Anatomy questions on my test were pretty difficult, and only about half were covered at all in FA, but the total number was still limited and it would not have been a good use of my time to relearn all of Netters and beef up on MRI and CT interpretation to get those extra couple of questions. If you really wanted to ace the anatomy part, I'm not sure what to tell you to study. If you want to ace the exam, just remember that your time might be better spent on tractable areas such as physio, path, pharm, biochem, micro, etc.

Thanks, both of you.

 

[Pontifex Maximus]

I really feel ponti's advice is excessive. true, there will be anatomy in weird contexts on step 1, but if you did reasonably well in anatomy, you'll be able to reason the question out (in most cases). remember that step 1 is becoming more of a reasoning type of test, and simply memorizing all the muscle insertions (way way too low yield!!!) will not likely yield a single extra point for you. i'd focus on knowing the biggies inside and out (path, pharm, phys) and you'll be able to answer 80% of the questions on the test. conclusion: the anatomy section isn't as horrendous as some would make it seem, and even if there are some tough ones, they're just too strange and rare to prepare for, so focus on the high yield stuff.

Guys, I wasn't saying to memorize Netter. I said it wouldn't be a bad idea to grab a HY anatomy book and look through it. My point was that anatomy is becoming more towards the forefront, and is no longer a brachial plexus or two. Of course there are more important things to know, but its something to consider nowadays.

Edit: And yes, myself and others got origin/insertion type questions. I'm not trying to scare you, or even say they're reasonable to answer, but just throwing it out there.

 

[BrisketAttack]

Guys, I wasn't saying to memorize Netter. I said it wouldn't be a bad idea to grab a HY anatomy book and look through it. My point was that anatomy is becoming more towards the forefront, and is no longer a brachial plexus or two. Of course there are more important things to know, but its something to consider nowadays.

Edit: And yes, myself and others got origin/insertion type questions. I'm not trying to scare you, or even say they're reasonable to answer, but just throwing it out there.

I doubt it was your intent to scare the OP, but I remember my fragile mental state before taking the exam, and reading your report of muscle insertions would have scared the hell out of me. I was just trying to reassure the OP that everyone will miss those sorts of questions (or get it right by pure chance).

 

[VPDcurt]

For the anatomy questions on my exam, I either remembered the information from 1st year and the questions were really straightforward or the questions were asking about something that I would not have learned even if I had studied anatomy alone for a month. I wouldn't stress out about it too much because there isn't much that you can do about it at this point - there really is no clearcut "end" of studying for anatomy...it could go on forever. So you just have to feel confident in what you know and don't worry about the really complicated crap that most people are going to screw up anyway.

 

[moinmoin]

You might want to know cardiac blood supply cold. I knew the basics of it but that wasn't enough for my exam. It would have got me 2 more points if I had really learned it, since I had 3 (that I can remember) questions about heart blood supply.