what type of free time as a pharmD student? pressured to use it for research?

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Do you have weekends free? Summers free?

If so, do you feel pressured to research or volunteer during your free time, or is it truly free time?

I ask from ther perspective of a pre-med student turning to pharmacy. After researching med student lifestyle, I don't think I can deal with the competitive nature of those 8 years - researching, volunteering, and kissing ass just to get that residency, etc...

It seems like for pharmacy you can do well for yourself by studying and making the grades without the added pressures of needing tons of research/volunteering/brown-nosing to look good. I want my free time to be mine for non-pharmacy related extracurriculars.

Thanks!
 
I think schools prefer if you are involved and it helps you gain valuable experience by volunteering in the community. (not to mention helping people while you're at it)

With that said, I haven't been very involved with outside school activities because I have a family and lots going on there to keep me extra busy. I try to do what I can, but I really value my free time away from school and I think I get plenty of it. I work extra hard during the week with studying and stuff so that I'll have more free time on the weekends. My weekends are almost always free unless we have a big test on Monday.

It depends on the school, but with ours we get the first and second summer off and then after that you are doing rotations during the summer.
 
medder said:
Do you have weekends free? Summers free? !

If so, do you feel pressured to research or volunteer during your free time, or is it truly free time?

I ask from ther perspective of a pre-med student turning to pharmacy. After researching med student lifestyle, I don't think I can deal with the competitive nature of those 8 years - researching, volunteering, and kissing ass just to get that residency, etc...

It seems like for pharmacy you can do well for yourself by studying and making the grades without the added pressures of needing tons of research/volunteering/brown-nosing to look good. I want my free time to be mine for non-pharmacy related extracurriculars.

Thanks!

I'll answer your questions in order:
Yes, weekends are free, but most people I know work, cuz they're poor and already in debt. My pharmacy school has no breaks at all, but that's only because my school has coop, where instead of say, summer break, our school pretty much gets our feet in the door and makes us get jobs for 4 months at a time. Most schools have at least 1 summer off; not that it really matters because most people are interns in the summer anyways.

It's mostly free time, not pushed to volunteer or anything, but like I said, most of my friends (who don't have daddy/mommy paying their bills) are working to pay rent/have beer money. And when they're not working, they're either getting drunk, getting high, or sleeping, studying too if they're in classes. Not that these are uncommon for college students but at my school, pharmacy to me has a disproportionate amount of alcoholics, which I kinda attribute to how hard it is compared to like, business school; but I digress. The good students study pretty often, and when exams come around, you usually see your whole class, spread out in cliquey groups in the library.

However, I'd also like to point out that I go to a school where the majority of Pharm.D candidates are undergrads (myself included) as opposed to BS holders. Consequently, what I see pharm school as might be different compared to more of a graduate school like UCSF, where I like to assume that everyone has ridiculous undergrad credentials and had to do premed-like overachieving activities to get in, and continue to do overachieving activities.

If you want to go work in hospital pharmacy once you get a Pharm.D, there's a big trend toward having a residency on your resume/CV/whatever. To get a residency, it's preferrential to have lots of extracurriculars and projects and etc, and that's more in the realm of MD overachieving/asskissery. However, it's really not that big a deal, most people I know are involved in APhA or ASHP, and go to midyear converences and stuff. The stuff they want to see is more along the lines of special projects/presentations and being in pharm organizations, as opposed to building houses with habitat for humanity or working in a lab to get your name published. And even then, it's not really that hard, since some internships I know of require you to do projects, and being in a pharm organization involves paying dues and going to meetings.\

In summation, my life is all school and work, but I have plenty of time to go out and do my own thing. It's hard to juggle everything at once, like studying, chores, cooking/eating, working, hanging out, and making money, but most of those you should be able to handle after undergrad.

Oh yeah, and this is from the viewpoint of general life as a P1/P2, not as a prepharm getting past admissions and being a pharm.d student. Getting accepted to pharm school is a whole nother discussion that I'm unqualified to answer. Hope this all helps...
 
medder said:
Do you have weekends free? Summers free?

If so, do you feel pressured to research or volunteer during your free time, or is it truly free time?

I ask from ther perspective of a pre-med student turning to pharmacy. After researching med student lifestyle, I don't think I can deal with the competitive nature of those 8 years - researching, volunteering, and kissing ass just to get that residency, etc...

It seems like for pharmacy you can do well for yourself by studying and making the grades without the added pressures of needing tons of research/volunteering/brown-nosing to look good. I want my free time to be mine for non-pharmacy related extracurriculars.

Thanks!

Your thinking about it too much. To me, pharmacy school wasn't all that hard and I barely studied and passed with a good gpa. You control how active you are and how much you need to study. I didn't participate in any pharmacy activities, as I had a 3 hour daily commute via train back and forth from chicago to the far northern suburbs.

Let me put it into context for you. Unless your out to "save the world" as a pharmacist (trust me there are PLENTY of those types out there and nothing wrong with that I guess if indeed that is what you want), whether you make all A's and I make all C's, we both will make the same amount of money in retail and hospital. You could do a residency with hellish hours and nothing pay for a year and STILL make less than a retail pharmacist when its all over. It's all what you want to do. It still killed me though to so those people who were ultra competitive in pharmacy school. Didn't they realize the hard part is pretty much over...that is getting into pharmacy school.
 
I wouldn't say that I'm off to save the world as you put it, but I know that retail is just plain not for me. I know, and have known for a while, that hospital is where I belong. I know that doing hospital means I have to do a residency, especially at the hospital I want to work at one day. I know I'll have to belong to organizations and be involved, but I want to have my fun too. College is supposed to be the best years of our lives. So not everyone who needs to do good to get a residency is one of "those types." I know I'm just one of those types that loathes retail.
 
GatorRxGirl said:
I wouldn't say that I'm off to save the world as you put it, but I know that retail is just plain not for me. I know, and have known for a while, that hospital is where I belong. I know that doing hospital means I have to do a residency, especially at the hospital I want to work at one day. I know I'll have to belong to organizations and be involved, but I want to have my fun too. College is supposed to be the best years of our lives. So not everyone who needs to do good to get a residency is one of "those types." I know I'm just one of those types that loathes retail.


That is fine but you still have a LONG way to go until you graduate. Again, don't get me wrong, we need pharmacists in every capacity. Nothing wrong with any pharmacist position from nuclear to retail to hospital. When I entered pharmacy school, I thought that I was going to be this ultra important, world saving pharmacist. It only took 1 year or so of pharmacy school to realize what it was really like.

I think alot of my perceptions of "those types" centered around dealing with utra competitive people who made life a living hell for those that had to work with them. As I approached rotations and graduation, I got to see what the "real world" was like in terms of pharmacist positions, especially those in hospitals. I didn't want to be stuck in the basement looking at vanco/gent levels all day long nor did I want to deal with condescending physicians who ultimately would take credit for my recommendations while doing rounds. Those jobs that your COP talks about (mine was anti-retail IMO and pushed clinical and research down your throat) that are clinical are far and few between unless you want to do teaching/clinical at a university campus hospital. Again, these are not comments directed at anyone in particular but observations since graduation from a COP this year.

Also you don't need a residency to be a hospital pharmacist unless you want to be a pharmacotherapist. In that case, those jobs again are very far and few between unless you want to teach on the side. However no matter what you decide, I wish you good luck. Don't be suprised though if you change what you want to do before graduation when you see what its "really like" out there.
 
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