What's a doc who gives an M1/2 lecture get paid?

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Anybody have any inside knowledge on what--or if--a doc gets paid to come in and give a lecture to med students? I'm not referring to a PhD who might have to do it as part of his contract (ie biochem), but rather a clinician coming in to just give a lecture or two in his area of expertise (like an electrophysiologist coming in and talking about arrhythmias and EKG interpretation).

I imagine the situation varies from school to school but just curious.
 
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Most lecturers for classes at academic institutions do lectures because it is part of their academic responsibility because they are faculty of their institution. I remember one guy said being in academic medicine he has more time off then in private practice but gets paid less and he has more academic responsibities like teaching medical students that just goes along with part of the job. We had a couple from outside our school but they do this one lecture every year and they said they do it just cause they like it - no financial gain.
 
That makes sense.

I'm at a school where we have a "topic expert" give each lecture...so while we have some core lecturers we also have lots of docs come in to give talks in their areas of expertise. Most of them seem really into it and you can tell they really enjoy teaching.

Occasionally we get a doc who seems less than enthused to lecture--we recently had one who was from a cushy private hospital (outside our health system) and she seemed to care less about what she was saying. She probably was just having a bad morning, but a few of us wondered if she was just giving the talk to make a little extra cash (she has no academic appointment).
 
Most medical school faculty MD's will fall into one of two categories - they can either be clinician educators or clinician scientists. There can be greater variation, but those are the major dividing lines.

What it means though is that in their contract there will be a breakdown of their expected time spent on various activities. A common Full Time Equivalent (FTE) for a Clinician Educator will be 50% Clinical, 30% Education and 20% administrative/Research where as for a Clinician Scientist the breakdown will commonly be 50% Research, 30% Clinical and 20% Education/administrative. Depending on their actual roles, these percentages will be tweaked - for example a Residency Program Director may have as much as 50% administrative time. The educational portion may be directed towards medical students, residents and fellows, possibly in a prescribed ratio depending on clinical field/interest.

So it IS part of the academic physician's contract to give these lectures, just like the PhD's.

As for the community physician - Adjunct or volunteer professors/instructors likely do have contracts/written agreements with the academic medical center outlining the expectations and what's to be provided in both directions. Adjuct faculty might possibly receive a stipend for their time, or reimbursement for their expenses associated with teaching students and residents while volunteers are just that - volunteers. For many community physicians that take on residents to their service (common in many general surgery programs as well as in primary care specialties) the reduction in workload may be their only remittance (they may also consider the early recruitment of talented residents worth it). Being able to list the position on their CV is also a benefit although one that may not pay dividends in the immediate future.
 
As for the community physician - Adjunct or volunteer professors/instructors likely do have contracts/written agreements with the academic medical center outlining the expectations and what's to be provided in both directions. Adjuct faculty might possibly receive a stipend for their time, or reimbursement for their expenses associated with teaching students and residents while volunteers are just that - volunteers. For many community physicians that take on residents to their service (common in many general surgery programs as well as in primary care specialties) the reduction in workload may be their only remittance (they may also consider the early recruitment of talented residents worth it). Being able to list the position on their CV is also a benefit although one that may not pay dividends in the immediate future.

That's what I was looking for--thanks for posting this. I like the notion of working in academics one day, and it's It's nice to see that there are varying shades of eduction/academics that a doc can incorporate into his/her practice after residency.
 
Teaching physicians at my state school's hospital make between 75-120k a year [from the ones that I looked up on the state auditor database].

Since those figures above include a prominent neurosurgeon, I am going to assume that it is mostly for teaching and the "real" income is separate.

Yes. The medical school pays him $100k for being a Professor, but the clinical practice pays him another $900k to do his thing in the OR.
I'm in academics. I have to lecture to the anesthesia residents and the fellows, but I don't have any obligation to lecture to the medical students. If I did, there's no extra pay for the lectures.
 
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