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What's the "catch" with these linkage programs? They seem to be a major selling point for many of the postbacc programs. Are the linked schools basically the bottom of the barrel as far as medical colleges go? I see a lot of the same schools over and over, so I wonder about this. Or do very few students even get in via the linkages? I just find it hard to believe that gaining admission to medical school, the most competitive of graduate schools, can be as easy as enrolling in a semi-competitive postbacc program and doing well for a year. Why bother busting your ass for four years in college when you can coast by on B+'s in a humanities major, then just take the backdoor route to medschool and end up on your way to an MD a year or two later? I must be missing something here.
 
What you're "missing" is this: just because a program offers linkage in no way guarantees that you will actually be able to gain admission that way. It just means that you are allowed to apply to the school before completing your post-bac coursework. You still have to go though the app process, interview, etc., and if you are found lacking, you won't be admitted.

Some of the schools that participate in linkages (Rochester and Dartmouth, for example) are actually very highly ranked, and besides, there really aren't any "bottom tier" med schools; a graduate of med school is a doctor, period. The reason a number of med schools participate in these kind of programs is that it's a good way for them to recruit older students. This fits in with the general med school goal these days of recruting a diverse class.
 
The linkages are still competitive, and they are by no means only with "bottom-tier" medschools. For example, here at Columbia we have many linkages, even one with Brown University, which is certainly not bottom tier!

I disagree that a postbacc is less competitive than undergrad. In fact, I think it's a great deal more competitive because the postbaccs don't "change their majors" or decide to go into research instead; we're here for one reason: to get into medical school. Most postbaccs with linkages are also two years, not one (I don't know of any that are 1 year, unless you mean an SMP, which isn't a postbacc). Many undergrads also have linkage programs--usually with their medschool. Even those without medschools often have linkage programs with other schools. At my undergrad, Providence College, premeds could apply to Brown Med at the end of their sophomore year and know where they were going by their junior year! I knew of many premeds who did this, and I thought it was excellent. (although this particular program was open only to RI residents)

The key is doing well in your postbacc courses, which is difficult because you have to take the core premed classes in pairs rather than spread out over 4 years. Also you don't have any easy upperlevel classes (and lets face it, every hard science major out there did better in p-chem then they did in general chem; once you take the premeds out of the equation, those courses get a million times easier) to raise your BCMP. So it's much harder, IMHO.

I always wonder why it is that practically every undergrad premed majors in biology. If you ever end up in medschool, that is going to be totally repetitive--why study the same thing twice? It's as if every premed thinks that to study physiology in medschool you needed to have physiology 101 as a premed. What sense is there in this?

Oh, and by the way, even those postbaccs who don't gain admission through a linkage still end up getting in somewhere if they finish. I know many many postbaccs who are going onto top ten schools next year; I even know of one Columbia post-bacc who got a full ride to UPenn!

As you can tell, I'm very pro-postbacc; I think this is definitely the way to go about beginning a career in medicine. The main drawback is the extra cost, because a postbacc is two more years tuition. However in the end, you are definitely better rounded, better prepared, and far more certain of what you want to do because you've already explored your alternatives. I should also say that postbaccs are, in general, older and more mature than their 21 year old ugrad counterparts. In general (and this is not always the case) a 26 year old interviews better than a 21 year old, just like a 21 year old interviews better than a 16 year old. That's just reality, like it or not.

I don't think many postbaccs consider it a "backdoor" into medschool. Every postbacc I know has far more volunteer and research experience than their undergrad counterparts. Many have advanced degrees or have worked in healthcare. If you're an undergrad considering going into medicine, do yourself a favor and don't major in the sciences! Major in literature or history and do your premed sequence concurrently. You only push your chance of gaining an acceptance down when you decide to major in biology or chemistry. Don't believe me? Take a look at the MSAR.

My $.02
 
What are your thoughts on doing a formal postbac program vs. taking the necessary premed courses at a local state school? I graduated from college last year with a degree in philosophy and no science courses. I'm leaning toward taking the courses at my state school, both because of the huge cost difference and because my undergrad institution has good premed advising and application services that I can still take advantage of. Assuming I'm motivated and with-it enough to get all the right courses and do some research and volunteering on my own, I don't really see what advantage a formal program would offer.

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The linkages are still competitive, and they are by no means only with "bottom-tier" medschools. For example, here at Columbia we have many linkages, even one with Brown University, which is certainly not bottom tier!

I disagree that a postbacc is less competitive than undergrad. In fact, I think it's a great deal more competitive because the postbaccs don't "change their majors" or decide to go into research instead; we're here for one reason: to get into medical school. Most postbaccs with linkages are also two years, not one (I don't know of any that are 1 year, unless you mean an SMP, which isn't a postbacc). Many undergrads also have linkage programs--usually with their medschool. Even those without medschools often have linkage programs with other schools. At my undergrad, Providence College, premeds could apply to Brown Med at the end of their sophomore year and know where they were going by their junior year! I knew of many premeds who did this, and I thought it was excellent. (although this particular program was open only to RI residents)

The key is doing well in your postbacc courses, which is difficult because you have to take the core premed classes in pairs rather than spread out over 4 years. Also you don't have any easy upperlevel classes (and lets face it, every hard science major out there did better in p-chem then they did in general chem; once you take the premeds out of the equation, those courses get a million times easier) to raise your BCMP. So it's much harder, IMHO.

I always wonder why it is that practically every undergrad premed majors in biology. If you ever end up in medschool, that is going to be totally repetitive--why study the same thing twice? It's as if every premed thinks that to study physiology in medschool you needed to have physiology 101 as a premed. What sense is there in this?

Oh, and by the way, even those postbaccs who don't gain admission through a linkage still end up getting in somewhere if they finish. I know many many postbaccs who are going onto top ten schools next year; I even know of one Columbia post-bacc who got a full ride to UPenn!

As you can tell, I'm very pro-postbacc; I think this is definitely the way to go about beginning a career in medicine. The main drawback is the extra cost, because a postbacc is two more years tuition. However in the end, you are definitely better rounded, better prepared, and far more certain of what you want to do because you've already explored your alternatives. I should also say that postbaccs are, in general, older and more mature than their 21 year old ugrad counterparts. In general (and this is not always the case) a 26 year old interviews better than a 21 year old, just like a 21 year old interviews better than a 16 year old. That's just reality, like it or not.

I don't think many postbaccs consider it a "backdoor" into medschool. Every postbacc I know has far more volunteer and research experience than their undergrad counterparts. Many have advanced degrees or have worked in healthcare. If you're an undergrad considering going into medicine, do yourself a favor and don't major in the sciences! Major in literature or history and do your premed sequence concurrently. You only push your chance of gaining an acceptance down when you decide to major in biology or chemistry. Don't believe me? Take a look at the MSAR.

My $.02
 
What are your thoughts on doing a formal postbac program vs. taking the necessary premed courses at a local state school? I graduated from college last year with a degree in philosophy and no science courses. I'm leaning toward taking the courses at my state school, both because of the huge cost difference and because my undergrad institution has good premed advising and application services that I can still take advantage of. Assuming I'm motivated and with-it enough to get all the right courses and do some research and volunteering on my own, I don't really see what advantage a formal program would offer.

This has been a hotly debated topic in this forum, and I suggest you do a search for other threads so that you can see some different opinions on this topic. I would agree with you that there's nothing wrong with a do-it-yourself option at a state school.

That said, I think there are some formal post-bac programs that offer advantages over this route. For example, I myself am going to Goucher's post-bac program next year. For me it's a good choice, because the classes are small, there are all sorts of built-in "bonus" features to the program (for example, MCAT prep is included), the advising is top-notch, the program is very well-respected by med schools, and they have a number of linkages, through which they manage to get a large percentage (about a third of each class) into medical school without the year off. As an older student, the chance to do all my pre-reqs in one year, and then maybe save an extra year via linkage is a huge bonus. But this is an inherently personal decision; what's worth the extra money to me might not be worth the extra money to you.
 
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