When can you call yourself "doctor"?

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After the optometry school graduation ceremony, can you start calling yourself doctor or do you have to wait to get your liscence? If you have not received your license yet, can you call yourself doctor as long as you are not practicing optometry?

Are the board exams after graduation from optometry school or prior to graduation?
 
After the optometry school graduation ceremony, can you start calling yourself doctor or do you have to wait to get your liscence? If you have not received your license yet, can you call yourself doctor as long as you are not practicing optometry?

Are the board exams after graduation from optometry school or prior to graduation?

Most states have language in their laws and regulations preventing you from using the title unless you are actually licensed to practice somewhere since by using the title, you are for all intents and purposes holding yourself out as someone who is licensed to practice.
 
It all depends on the situation. KHE is right that my calling yourself doctor before your license comes is technically illegal in some state's wording. For that reason I did not put my name on the building or put out any cards with my name/title on them until I had my license. However, I did us the title when talking to sales reps and people who I was not seeing in a clinical setting.
So, to be safe, you should not use the title at all until you have a license. But, who is really going to turn you in unless you are practicing medicine w/o a license.
 
After the optometry school graduation ceremony, can you start calling yourself doctor or do you have to wait to get your liscence? If you have not received your license yet, can you call yourself doctor as long as you are not practicing optometry?

Are the board exams after graduation from optometry school or prior to graduation?


The advice given on this thread so far is accurate and correct, especially KHE's counsel; he is indeed wise. Until you're licensed, your OD really has no meaning in the real world, does it?

However, there are two exceptions where you could possibly use your OD title and remain "legal".

1) In social settings - if you're trying to impress some chick at a fancy restaurant and you make a reservation for Dr. Jones, you wouldn't be breaking any laws, ruffling any feathers, or upsetting any optometry boards because only you and your girlfriend would know...who cares. Besides, you are a "doctor" in the technical sense (OD), just not licensed. In this case, you're not saying you're an optometrist or physician, just "Dr. Jones". Also, if you're going to see your physician, dentist, or health care provider, and tell the clerk/receptionist you're "Dr. Jones" instead of "Bob", so? You're not misleading anyone and you're making it known that you're not some average Joe, but a well-educated patient -- no different than the patient with an EdD or PhD in 19th century British Horticulture.

2) In academic settings - Let's say, after graduation, but before you get licensed, the local community college hires you to teach biology or some life science class. If you have your students refer to you as "Dr. Jones", you're not being illegal because you a) hold an OD degree and b) are teaching in an academic environment alongside PhDs, JDs, MDs, etc. It's a perfectly acceptable title in those circumstances. I have a friend who has a JD from the same law school I attended (Michigan State) and she got a job teaching business law at a small four-year school. She is not licensed to practice law in Michigan. Her students refer to her as "Dr. S" and she gets paid the same as the PhD professors. It would be no different for you with an OD and no license in a similar situation.

The key is: how you hold yourself out to the general public. If you call yourself Dr., remember people will first assume you're an MD. Most people with advanced degrees do the Name, degree format (e.g., Bob Jones, OD, Bob Jones, PhD, etc.) rather than (Dr. Bob Jones) because the degree format tells others something (usually), whereas the title format says jack squat (MD, DO, PHD, PharmD, JD, EdD, DPM, DVM, DDS, OD, AuD, DPT?????????????). If you have an OD, but are not licensed, then using the OD after your name implies a) you earned the degree + b) you're licensed. If not licensed, I would avoid the OD as it would imply you're actually working as an opto. Likewise, using Dr. without qualifying would imply you're practicing, and since you're not licensed, that would be bad.

In this case, you introduce yourself as "Dr. Smith" and someones asks you, what kind of doctor are you? You say, "I have a Doctor of Optometry degree from Ferris State University." That person then says, "Oh, so you're an optometrist?" You say, "no, not yet". This creates confusion and can be misleading. Not good. Likewise, signing your name John Smith, O.D., implies you're a practicing optometrist, not just a holder of an optometry degree. It's very tricky.

I remember a case from 2001 where a foreign-educated MD (Mexico), who was not licensed anywhere in the US, and was American-born, was working as a transplant coordinator at a hospital in Michigan. He had a legitimate medical degree. He also held a BS degree in med technology (the degree required for his job). He signed all paperwork "John Smith, MD" and people referred to him as "Dr. Smith". This, however, falsely created the perception among others that he was a licensed physician. One of his co-workers held a PhD in pathology and was also referred to as Dr.; however, he signed his name "Bob Jones, PhD" and his degree implied no licensure. The MD guy was fired for misrepresentation and sued the hospital on the grounds that he earned the degree and should be able to use it. The trial court found the hospital citing case law that regardless of whether one earned the MD, to use MD after one's name implied competence to practice medicine, not just possession of the degree.

In a clinical setting, it's best NOT to use the title or degree unless you are licensed.

SO...the best answer is, unless you're teaching, or trying to impress in a lame social situation, don't do it and wait until you're licensed. It's ok, however, if your mom sends you stuff in the mail addressed to Dr. X, and you puff yourself up while eating out or something.

Remember one thing too, if you're ever out (eating, theatre, etc.) and there's a medical emergency, and some idiot calls out "is there a doctor here!", keep your mouth shut, continue eating, and let medical first responders/EMTs handle the problem. That is, of course, you are also an EMT 🙂

In the above example, it's clear they are looking for a physician, not an optometrist, psychologist, or expert in medical anthropology.
 
The advice given on this thread so far is accurate and correct, especially KHE's counsel; he is indeed wise. Until you're licensed, your OD really has no meaning in the real world, does it?

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Holy crap....no wonder you're in law school. That has to be the longest answer to a simple question I've ever seen in my life.

I do however strongly agree with your assertion of my wisdom! 😀👍
 
What about in the case of filling out forms (any forms: contests, ordering products, driver's liscense application, etc.)?
Some forms have boxes for Mr., Mrs., Dr.. Can I check mark the box for "Dr." before getting my liscence?
 
Remember one thing too, if you're ever out (eating, theatre, etc.) and there's a medical emergency, and some idiot calls out "is there a doctor here!", keep your mouth shut, continue eating, and let medical first responders/EMTs handle the problem. That is, of course, you are also an EMT.

:laugh:
 
In my opinion, you can call yourself doctor verbally and with business cards as soon as you become state licensed. exactly what someone else said.

ProZackMI you believe being called doctor in a social setting sets you apart from your average Joe? In what way ? Being a doctor of any type makes you superior than one without all that education and therefore using the title doctor makes you stand out?
might as well drive a Porsche with OD plates on it and the year you graduated let the whole world know you are better than the average Joe.
 
In my opinion, you can call yourself doctor verbally and with business cards as soon as you become state licensed. exactly what someone else said.

ProZackMI you believe being called doctor in a social setting sets you apart from your average Joe? In what way ? Being a doctor of any type makes you superior than one without all that education and therefore using the title doctor makes you stand out?
might as well drive a Porsche with OD plates on it and the year you graduated let the whole world know you are better than the average Joe.

I think what ProZackMI means is that when you TRY to pick up a girl and tell her your a doctor, it sets off a little lightbulb saying "this guy is smart and makes mucho-money, therefore he'll b able to provide for me and I wont have to work". Im not saying all girls are like this, most girls arent, but in China or other asian countries, this pick up line works.

Or I could have misinterpreted, and ProZackMI might have just meant to show that you are well-educated as an OD. But I dont think saying that your a doctor in a social setting is to show you are superior and everyone else in inferior to you.
 
but in China or other asian countries, this pick up line works.

Are you sure? Because in my university's sociology class, the instructor said that in other countries such as England or Asia, doctors are not seen as prestigeous as in the USA. They are on the same level as engineers and mechanics. Also, I grew up in an Asian county and my father still lives there and from talking to him, it seems that doctors don't make as much money like they do in the USA and also on a lower class.
 
i am pretty sure...considering i was over in china, hong kong, and japan this summer....and i may have dropped the line to a few girls that was a doctor of some sorts. It is true that doctors over there do not make as much, but in some places like hong kong and japan make above average salaries. This is getting off topic lol.

btw, i could have been a bit intoxicated while i made the false statements 😛
 
After Robert Jarvick started airing in those stupid Lipitor commercials last year Congress actually started looking at whether he was giving medical advice without a license (he has an M.D. but did not do an internship/residency and has never been licensed to practice). The consensus was that to call himself "Dr. Jarvick" and even to refer to himself as a "doctor" were technically okay by virtue of holding of a doctorate degree; however, to refer to himself as a "physician" would've been unethical. I would also hold, though, that to call yourself "doctor" in a medical or hospital setting (and do drug ads count? who knows) regardless of how many doctorates you've earned is wrong and misleading if you are unlicensed.

I would say, and this goes for any professional degree, that to call yourself "Dr." is okay but to call yourself an optometrist (or dentist, physician, podiatrist, etc.) without licensure is not.
 
After Robert Jarvick started airing in those stupid Lipitor commercials last year Congress actually started looking at whether he was giving medical advice without a license (he has an M.D. but did not do an internship/residency and has never been licensed to practice). The consensus was that to call himself "Dr. Jarvick" and even to refer to himself as a "doctor" were technically okay by virtue of holding of a doctorate degree; however, to refer to himself as a "physician" would've been unethical. I would also hold, though, that to call yourself "doctor" in a medical or hospital setting (and do drug ads count? who knows) regardless of how many doctorates you've earned is wrong and misleading if you are unlicensed.

I would say, and this goes for any professional degree, that to call yourself "Dr." is okay but to call yourself an optometrist (or dentist, physician, podiatrist, etc.) without licensure is not.

Finally, someone who has it right -- unlike the rest of the would-be experts on this forum. The bottom line is that as soon as soon as you receive your degree, you are entitled to use "O.D." after your name and refer to yourself as "doctor". Licensure has NOTHING to do with it. You have earned the right to use the title by virtue of having been awarded the degree. Putting O.D. after your name does not imply that you are a licensed optometrist any more than putting an engineering degree after your name somehow implies that you passed a state engineering license exam. Similarly, there is no reason why someone who has graduated from law school without passing the state bar exam cannot put J.D. after his or her name. OTOH, referring to yourself as an "optometrist" or an "attorney" without licensure is definitely illegal. You *could* be in legal and ethical trouble for referring to yourself as "doctor" in a setting that would lead a patient to believe that you *are* a licensed optometrist. Unless someone is pulling a "Great Impostor" scenario the only likely situation in which this would occur is a resident seeing patients in the short period prior to licensure. In that case, you're probably be better off not using the term "doctor" when introducing yourself to patients until you actually receive your license. You'd have to check your own state's laws and/or get the opinion of your state board to know for sure.
 
Finally, someone who has it right -- unlike the rest of the would-be experts on this forum. The bottom line is that as soon as soon as you receive your degree, you are entitled to use "O.D." after your name and refer to yourself as "doctor". Licensure has NOTHING to do with it. You have earned the right to use the title by virtue of having been awarded the degree. Putting O.D. after your name does not imply that you are a licensed optometrist any more than putting an engineering degree after your name somehow implies that you passed a state engineering license exam. Similarly, there is no reason why someone who has graduated from law school without passing the state bar exam cannot put J.D. after his or her name. OTOH, referring to yourself as an "optometrist" or an "attorney" without licensure is definitely illegal. You *could* be in legal and ethical trouble for referring to yourself as "doctor" in a setting that would lead a patient to believe that you *are* a licensed optometrist. Unless someone is pulling a "Great Impostor" scenario the only likely situation in which this would occur is a resident seeing patients in the short period prior to licensure. In that case, you're probably be better off not using the term "doctor" when introducing yourself to patients until you actually receive your license. You'd have to check your own state's laws and/or get the opinion of your state board to know for sure.



any ideas where I'd find these?
 
To be honest, I would never use Dr. unless when seeing patients in the clinic. If you tell most people that you are doctor they assume you are a physician. But, when you tell them you are an optometrist they are little disappointed and it is not a good feeling. And if you tell people you are eye doctor they confuse you with surgeons. Plus, this Dr title is so overrated. if you are not happy with yourself or lack self worth no title is going to give you that.
 
My professor got upset when I addressed him by his first name. He told me to address him as Dr. xyz.

lol.
 
My professor got upset when I addressed him by his first name. He told me to address him as Dr. xyz.

lol.

Id say this was most likely the reason he was upset. im sure if you called him professor xyz it would be fine.
 
You are an eye Doctor when you receive your Doctor of Optometry degree. If you want to be an eye Surgeon, you go to medical school. Ironic isn't it.

PS - I was waiting for a med student on these forums to write "never" lol
 
You are an eye Doctor when you receive your Doctor of Optometry degree. If you want to be an eye Surgeon, you go to medical school. Ironic isn't it.

PS - I was waiting for a med student on these forums to write "never" lol

Ha, me too.

We had a risk management lecture a few months back where the lecturer made the argument that you should never let on that you're a doctor. My dad, an OD, was sued many years ago by a woman who was in a wreck with his car (was in a repair shop's parking lot, parking brake failed). She broke some kind of dental work, wanted $100,000 for replacement and pain/suffering. Apparently, she only wanted the costs until she heard that pesky ole Doctor part.
 
Yea, I don't plan to advertise the degree to all people once I attain it. I think in America the term "Doctor" implies nobility in a sense as we do not have an American counterpart to European nobility. This includes PhDs, JDs, PharmDs, etc. I think MDs/(DOs) are at the top of the bunch just because of the length of training involved.

In one sense it sucks that legally ODs are Doctors and take on full responsibility if they miss a diagnosis or provide bad treatment, etc. But in another it is quite an honor.
 
Double post....
 
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I don't mean to be blunt here, but who cares when you can "call yourself doctor?" Are you going to stand in front of the mirror and say "He-heeeeeeeyyyy....the docta is in da house....." 😉 I hate to break this to you guys, but no one, except maybe your parents, will care that have the letters "Dr" in front of your name. In fact, in many countries, as an optometrist, you'd be a "mister." Many US patients will still ask you if you even are a doctor. Half of your friends probably think optometry school is a 2 year master's program (ask them, you might be surprised what they think it is.) With all the crap you'll be facing once you graduate into the reality that is optometry these days, I'd be a lot more worried about how I was going to avoid the optometric plague, commercial, than how soon I can be addressed as a doctor - the novelty wears off quickly and what you're left with is the reality that few people actually care that you're a "doctor."
 
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Another thing to consider is that many states have laws on the books prohibiting you from using the title "Dr." if you have an MD or OD or dental degree UNLESS you also have a license to practice in that state.

So TECHNICALLY, though I am licensed in both CT and NY, I might be committing a violation if I was on vacation in say...Wisconsin and identified myself as an optometrist.

Weird, eh?
 
....I'd be a lot more worried about how I was going to avoid the optometric plague, commercial, than how soon I can be addressed as a doctor.

👍👍 and what a tough plague to weather....
 
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