When do programs finalize their ROLs?

[ambiturner]

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Title kind of speaks for itself. I have a couple interviews in the next 2 weeks and was hoping to email my #1 before they finalize things. Does anyone know what date that is for most places?

 

[lakersbaby]

Title kind of speaks for itself. I have a couple interviews in the next 2 weeks and was hoping to email my #1 before they finalize things. Does anyone know what date that is for most places?

how much will saying "you are my #1" help you? I really cant decide between 2 programs and it might be a coin flip at the end, however i dont really want to tell both they are my #1. what to do?

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

Pretty sure it's program dependent.

I imagine anytime between now and the next week or 2 ...

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

how much will saying "you are my #1" help you? I really cant decide between 2 programs and it might be a coin flip at the end, however i dont really want to tell both they are my #1. what to do?

I don't know, couldnt hurt though?
Better figure it out real soon.

 

[Idiopathic]

yesterday

 

[Idiopathic]

how much will saying "you are my #1" help you? I really cant decide between 2 programs and it might be a coin flip at the end, however i dont really want to tell both they are my #1. what to do?

wont matter. you should definitely send these programs friendly reminders an let them know how interested you are (and why) to keep your name fresh, but I would do this with your top three choices. no need to say "you're #1!!"

 

[Idiopathic]

Title kind of speaks for itself. I have a couple interviews in the next 2 weeks and was hoping to email my #1 before they finalize things. Does anyone know what date that is for most places?

i think its usually 2/15 or somewhere around there

 

[lakersbaby]

told a program they were my number 1 and got a response saying

"thank you for your continued interest. we really hope you will come to this program"

sounded pretty generic what do you all think?

 

[IveGotTwins]

All of the solicited and unsolicited correspondence I've received has been generic. A mix of what they think the best aspects of their program are as well as references to conversations we had during the interview. Nobody has said we've ranked you to match.

I've heard that the deadline for submitting rank lists is Feb 23rd for applicants and programs as well. Not sure if it's true for the programs.

On another topic, does anyone know how programs rank categorical vs. advanced? Are applicants put on an advanced list or categorical list or both? Can ranking one above the other keep you from matching at that program?

Maybe someone could direct me to a thread on here that answers the question.

 

[flyingdutchman]

All of the solicited and unsolicited correspondence I've received has been generic. A mix of what they think the best aspects of their program are as well as references to conversations we had during the interview. Nobody has said we've ranked you to match.

I've heard that the deadline for submitting rank lists is Feb 23rd for applicants and programs as well. Not sure if it's true for the programs.

On another topic, does anyone know how programs rank categorical vs. advanced? Are applicants put on an advanced list or categorical list or both? Can ranking one above the other keep you from matching at that program?

Maybe someone could direct me to a thread on here that answers the question.

Most programs I went to said they had two identical rank lists for each, so basically whatever one you rank higher you'd get if you matched that program. Only a couple specifically wanted to know my preference as to advanced or categorical...it seemed they had two different lists.

 

[IveGotTwins]

Most programs I went to said they had two identical rank lists for each, so basically whatever one you rank higher you'd get if you matched that program. Only a couple specifically wanted to know my preference as to advanced or categorical...it seemed they had two different lists.

how can that be if each program has a certain number of categorical and advanced spots? If all the people who matched to a certain program chose categorical they all couldn't be categorical; there wouldn't be enough spots.

I really don't want to lose a spot at a certain program because I ranked either adv or cat in the "wrong" order.

I suppose I just have to drink the kool-aid and trust that the match is set up to be in my favor.

 

[n2b8r]

You rank the categorical vs. advanced programs in the order in which you prefer. It may end up that the program goes further down the list to fill their advanced spots than categorical, or vice versa, but there's no "wrong order." Say you rank Program X Categorical (10 spots) first, and Program X Advanced (10 spots) 2nd, and the program has ranked you #11 on their 2 identical lists. If people ranked #1-10 on the program's list all match at program X and prefer categorical, then you will match into an advanced spot. Otherwise, you will get a categorical spot. Even if you had reversed the order on your rank list you would end up with the same end result.

how can that be if each program has a certain number of categorical and advanced spots? If all the people who matched to a certain program chose categorical they all couldn't be categorical; there wouldn't be enough spots.

I really don't want to lose a spot at a certain program because I ranked either adv or cat in the "wrong" order.

I suppose I just have to drink the kool-aid and trust that the match is set up to be in my favor.

 

[IveGotTwins]

You rank the categorical vs. advanced programs in the order in which you prefer. It may end up that the program goes further down the list to fill their advanced spots than categorical, or vice versa, but there's no "wrong order." Say you rank Program X Categorical (10 spots) first, and Program X Advanced (10 spots) 2nd, and the program has ranked you #11 on their 2 identical lists. If people ranked #1-10 on the program's list all match at program X and prefer categorical, then you will match into an advanced spot. Otherwise, you will get a categorical spot. Even if you had reversed the order on your rank list you would end up with the same end result.

This sounds reasonable. It does assumes that programs submit identical lists for both. I suppose that most would do that since there doesn't seem to be a purpose behind wanting a particular candidate but only if they match in a certain fashion.

 

[n2b8r]

This sounds reasonable. It does assumes that programs submit identical lists for both. I suppose that most would do that since there doesn't seem to be a purpose behind wanting a particular candidate but only if they match in a certain fashion.

I think programs might submit different lists if certain applicants express interest in only the categorical or only the advanced track. They would simply leave the uninterested students off one of their lists.

 

[IveGotTwins]

I think programs might submit different lists if certain applicants express interest in only the categorical or only the advanced track. They would simply leave the uninterested students off one of their lists.

Right, but who would be that dumb?

"Yes sir, I love your program. I applied to both tracks but I would only want to come here as an advanced/categorical match".

The program lists are inherently different based solely upon some students only applying to either the advanced or categorical tracks but for someone to apply to both and express a disinterest in either seems stupid to me. I guess I didn't clearly outline my question. I'm just curious if a program would leave someone off one of the lists when they applied to both tracks.

For every place I applied to I selected both tracks if they were available and ranking both to increased my contiguous ranks. I couldn't care less if I match adv or cat. I would gladly move twice if it means that I match into anesthesia.

 

[n2b8r]

Some programs (e.g., BWH) ask applicants whether they have a preference. Some people may not want to move for intern year, whereas others have already completed an internship. If you did apply to both cat and adv though, it wouldn't make much sense for them to rank you differently. Most PDs I've spoken to say they submit the same rank list for cat and adv. That's not to say there aren't some who may think differently.

Right, but who would be that dumb?

"Yes sir, I love your program. I applied to both tracks but I would only want to come here as an advanced/categorical match".

The program lists are inherently different based solely upon some students only applying to either the advanced or categorical tracks but for someone to apply to both and express a disinterest in either seems stupid to me. I guess I didn't clearly outline my question. I'm just curious if a program would leave someone off one of the lists when they applied to both tracks.

For every place I applied to I selected both tracks if they were available and ranking both to increased my contiguous ranks. I couldn't care less if I match adv or cat. I would gladly move twice if it means that I match into anesthesia.

 

[TKTDart]

Some programs (e.g., BWH) ask applicants whether they have a preference. Some people may not want to move for intern year, whereas others have already completed an internship. If you did apply to both cat and adv though, it wouldn't make much sense for them to rank you differently. Most PDs I've spoken to say they submit the same rank list for cat and adv. That's not to say there aren't some who may think differently.

There are certain situations where a person may only want to do an advanced match. Another scenario, other than previously completing an intern year, is for the people who attend osteopathic medical schools. Depending on the state that the Anesthesiology residency is located, there may be different internship requirements for a DO vs. an MD. If the Anesthesia residency is allopathic, their intern year may not qualify a DO for board certification. In that situation, a DO would possibly make that statement.