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I'm taking my MCAT in April, and want to try and get into a med school next semester. I was thinking of going to India but apparently you only get into internal medicine coming from there (at least you have a chance to do something else coming from the Caribbean). I'm confused to when I should apply, I didn't ask for letters of reccomendation yet since I didn't think I would need it, but Ross apparently asks for it. My GPA is 3.0 atm, maybe up to 3.2 by the end of the semester since I'm retaking 2 classes along with what I need to graduate.

Thx beforehand!
 
bring on the Caribbean MD vs. DO!
 
It would be better, IMO, to take a year or two off or do an SMP and try for a US medical school rather than going abroad or to the Caribbean. Especially if you want to practice in the US.

It's going to get harder and harder to FMGs/IMGs to match into residency in the US in the coming years since there will be more American graduates while the number of residency slots will not be increasing significantly. What that means is that non-American graduates (ie. IMGs and FMGs) will have an even harder time matching.
 
I'm taking my MCAT in April, and want to try and get into a med school next semester. I was thinking of going to India but apparently you only get into internal medicine coming from there (at least you have a chance to do something else coming from the Caribbean). I'm confused to when I should apply, I didn't ask for letters of reccomendation yet since I didn't think I would need it, but Ross apparently asks for it. My GPA is 3.0 atm, maybe up to 3.2 by the end of the semester since I'm retaking 2 classes along with what I need to graduate.

Thx beforehand!

umm, what?
 
Good luck getting that something else when you apply for residency in 5 years.

Don't go to the Caribbean.
 
Most people here will tell you not to apply. If you are not a troll, the Caribbean forum would be a good place to ask. Caribbean schools are nice in that they often have many start dates. Good luck. :luck:
 
When you want to practice medicine in the Caribbean.
 
NEVER! Go D.O. or go home.

Jesus, I am NOT getting into DO with a 3.2, guess I'll repost in the carribbean forums. And I theoretically could take a year off and do an SMP, but that's a gamble. I don't even know if I can get into an SMP 😵

Once you go to the Caribbean all the luck is taken out of it, if you study, you're going to be at least an internal medicine guy.
 
Jesus, I am NOT getting into DO with a 3.2, guess I'll repost in the carribbean forums. And I theoretically could take a year off and do an SMP, but that's a gamble. I don't even know if I can get into an SMP 😵

Once you go to the Caribbean all the luck is taken out of it, if you study, you're going to be at least an internal medicine guy.

this is where you're wrong.
 
Jesus, I am NOT getting into DO with a 3.2, guess I'll repost in the carribbean forums. And I theoretically could take a year off and do an SMP, but that's a gamble. I don't even know if I can get into an SMP 😵

Once you go to the Caribbean all the luck is taken out of it, if you study, you're going to be at least an internal medicine guy.

I graduated with a 3.26 (3.2 sgpa), did an SMP, and have been accepted US allopathic.
 
Jesus, I am NOT getting into DO with a 3.2, guess I'll repost in the carribbean forums. And I theoretically could take a year off and do an SMP, but that's a gamble. I don't even know if I can get into an SMP 😵

Once you go to the Caribbean all the luck is taken out of it, if you study, you're going to be at least an internal medicine guy.

While this was probably true 30 years ago, today this is painfully wrong. If you browse the Caribbean forums you'll see that graduating from a Caribbean school does not guarentee you a residency and most graduates don't match. In fact graduating in the top half of your class with an above average USMLE score does not guarentee you a residency. There are now so many US medical students competing over the limited number of residency slots in this country that Caribbean grads need to have the kind of numbers that would get a US medical student a Derm residency (250+ USMLE, Honored the majority of their rotations) just to get into a single, malignant, backwoods family practice program so that they can see clinic for the rest of their lives. Surgery and Internal medicine residents from the Caribbean, though previously common, are rapidly becoming a thing of the past. And it will get WAY worse by the time you graduate.

That is, of course, if you graduate. Keep in mind that most Caribbean schools take more students than they have seats in the lecture halls. They're looking to take your money and run, and they don't care if the majority of you don't actually finish (let alone match). Compare this to a US medical school, which has countless mechanisms to make sure you don't fail out, no matter what. My class has lost 5 people out of 180 in three years. Caribbean schools lose more than half their class by the end of the first year. So to summarize you need to be in the small percentage of you class that graduates, and the be in the small percentage of the graduates that gets a residency, so that you can do work an NP would turn his/her nose up at while paying down 300K in debt.

So, like others have said before, don't do it. Either go to a US school or find a new career. You think an SMP is a gamble? An SMP is a gamble with $50,000 and a year of your life. If it doesn't work out you'll spend half a decade paying back the loans and that sucks but if you want medical school badly enough you need to consider taking your shot. The Caribbean, on the other hand, is a gamble with 4 years of your life and $300K. Simply put, if it doesn't work out you have ruined your life as completely and irrevocably as if you murdered someone. You'll never own a home, you'll never have any significant wages. You can't even go bankrupt. You will live with your parents until they die, at which point you will in all probability be homeless until you die. It's a bigger gamble.

And, BTW it's a gamble with much worse odds. I went thorough an SMP program, the odds of successfully matriculating at medical school for my class was 95%. Many respectable programs boast at least a 70% success rate. Caribbean school success rate? Maybe 10%. Maybe. It's a BAD gamble. Barely better than scratch off lotto tickets. If you can do well on the MCAT the SMP is a better plan. If you can't then finding another career is a better plan.

Now this is leaving aside the issue of what makes you think you are going to survive in medical school with a 3.0 GPA. That's another bit of serious introspection you need to do. But first things first: stop looking at the Caribbean. As many have said, finding a different career is a much better option than mortgaging your life to those government backed scam artists.
 
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So, like others have said before, don't do it. Either go to a US school or find a new career. You think an SMP is a gamble? An SMP is a gamble with $50,000 and a year of your life. If it doesn't work out you'll spend half a decade paying back the loans and that sucks but if you want medical school badly enough you need to consider taking your shot. The Caribbean, on the other hand, is a gamble with 4 years of your life and $300K. Simply put, if it doesn't work out you have ruined your life as completely and irrevocably as if you murdered someone. You'll never own a home, you'll never have any significant wages. You can't even go bankrupt. You will live with your parents until they die, at which point you will in all probability be homeless until you die. It's a bigger gamble.

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While this was probably true 30 years ago, today this is painfully wrong. If you browse the Caribbean forums you'll see that graduating from a Caribbean school does not guarentee you a residency and most graduates don't match. In fact graduating in the top half of your class with an above average USMLE score does not guarentee you a residency. There are now so many US medical students competing over the limited number of residency slots in this country that Caribbean grads need to have the kind of numbers that would get a US medical student a Derm residency (250+ USMLE, Honored the majority of their rotations) just to get into a single, malignant, backwoods family practice program so that they can see clinic for the rest of their lives. Surgery and Internal medicine residents from the Caribbean, though previously common, are rapidly becoming a thing of the past. And it will get WAY worse by the time you graduate.

That is, of course, if you graduate. Keep in mind that most Caribbean schools take more students than they have seats in the lecture halls. They're looking to take your money and run, and they don't care if the majority of you don't actually finish (let alone match). Compare this to a US medical school, which has countless mechanisms to make sure you don't fail out, no matter what. My class has lost 5 people out of 180 in three years. Caribbean schools lose more than half their class by the end of the first year. So to summarize you need to be in the small percentage of you class that graduates, and the be in the small percentage of the graduates that gets a residency, so that you can do work an NP would turn his/her nose up at while paying down 300K in debt.

So, like others have said before, don't do it. Either go to a US school or find a new career. You think an SMP is a gamble? An SMP is a gamble with $50,000 and a year of your life. If it doesn't work out you'll spend half a decade paying back the loans and that sucks but if you want medical school badly enough you need to consider taking your shot. The Caribbean, on the other hand, is a gamble with 4 years of your life and $300K. Simply put, if it doesn't work out you have ruined your life as completely and irrevocably as if you murdered someone. You'll never own a home, you'll never have any significant wages. You can't even go bankrupt. You will live with your parents until they die, at which point you will in all probability be homeless until you die. It's a bigger gamble.

And, BTW it's a gamble with much worse odds. I went thorough an SMP program, the odds of successfully matriculating at medical school for my class was 95%. Many respectable programs boast at least a 70% success rate. Caribbean school success rate? Maybe 10%. Maybe. It's a BAD gamble. Barely better than scratch off lotto tickets. If you can do well on the MCAT the SMP is a better plan. If you can't then finding another career is a better plan.

Now this is leaving aside the issue of what makes you think you are going to survive in medical school with a 3.0 GPA. That's another bit of serious introspection you need to do. But first things first: stop looking at the Caribbean. As many have said, finding a career is a much better option than mortgaging your life to those government backed scam artists.

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While this was probably true 30 years ago, today this is painfully wrong. If you browse the Caribbean forums you'll see that graduating from a Caribbean school does not guarentee you a residency and most graduates don't match. In fact graduating in the top half of your class with an above average USMLE score does not guarentee you a residency. There are now so many US medical students competing over the limited number of residency slots in this country that Caribbean grads need to have the kind of numbers that would get a US medical student a Derm residency (250+ USMLE, Honored the majority of their rotations) just to get into a single, malignant, backwoods family practice program so that they can see clinic for the rest of their lives. Surgery and Internal medicine residents from the Caribbean, though previously common, are rapidly becoming a thing of the past. And it will get WAY worse by the time you graduate.

That is, of course, if you graduate. Keep in mind that most Caribbean schools take more students than they have seats in the lecture halls. They're looking to take your money and run, and they don't care if the majority of you don't actually finish (let alone match). Compare this to a US medical school, which has countless mechanisms to make sure you don't fail out, no matter what. My class has lost 5 people out of 180 in three years. Caribbean schools lose more than half their class by the end of the first year. So to summarize you need to be in the small percentage of you class that graduates, and the be in the small percentage of the graduates that gets a residency, so that you can do work an NP would turn his/her nose up at while paying down 300K in debt.

So, like others have said before, don't do it. Either go to a US school or find a new career. You think an SMP is a gamble? An SMP is a gamble with $50,000 and a year of your life. If it doesn't work out you'll spend half a decade paying back the loans and that sucks but if you want medical school badly enough you need to consider taking your shot. The Caribbean, on the other hand, is a gamble with 4 years of your life and $300K. Simply put, if it doesn't work out you have ruined your life as completely and irrevocably as if you murdered someone. You'll never own a home, you'll never have any significant wages. You can't even go bankrupt. You will live with your parents until they die, at which point you will in all probability be homeless until you die. It's a bigger gamble.

And, BTW it's a gamble with much worse odds. I went thorough an SMP program, the odds of successfully matriculating at medical school for my class was 95%. Many respectable programs boast at least a 70% success rate. Caribbean school success rate? Maybe 10%. Maybe. It's a BAD gamble. Barely better than scratch off lotto tickets. If you can do well on the MCAT the SMP is a better plan. If you can't then finding another career is a better plan.

Now this is leaving aside the issue of what makes you think you are going to survive in medical school with a 3.0 GPA. That's another bit of serious introspection you need to do. But first things first: stop looking at the Caribbean. As many have said, finding a career is a much better option than mortgaging your life to those government backed scam artists.
jesus 👍. sorry but i had to quote in sig.

only wish one of my older friends knew all this info before he enrolled in the caribbean.
 
While this was probably true 30 years ago, today this is painfully wrong. If you browse the Caribbean forums you'll see that graduating from a Caribbean school does not guarentee you a residency and most graduates don't match. In fact graduating in the top half of your class with an above average USMLE score does not guarentee you a residency. There are now so many US medical students competing over the limited number of residency slots in this country that Caribbean grads need to have the kind of numbers that would get a US medical student a Derm residency (250+ USMLE, Honored the majority of their rotations) just to get into a single, malignant, backwoods family practice program so that they can see clinic for the rest of their lives. Surgery and Internal medicine residents from the Caribbean, though previously common, are rapidly becoming a thing of the past. And it will get WAY worse by the time you graduate.

That is, of course, if you graduate. Keep in mind that most Caribbean schools take more students than they have seats in the lecture halls. They're looking to take your money and run, and they don't care if the majority of you don't actually finish (let alone match). Compare this to a US medical school, which has countless mechanisms to make sure you don't fail out, no matter what. My class has lost 5 people out of 180 in three years. Caribbean schools lose more than half their class by the end of the first year. So to summarize you need to be in the small percentage of you class that graduates, and the be in the small percentage of the graduates that gets a residency, so that you can do work an NP would turn his/her nose up at while paying down 300K in debt.

So, like others have said before, don't do it. Either go to a US school or find a new career. You think an SMP is a gamble? An SMP is a gamble with $50,000 and a year of your life. If it doesn't work out you'll spend half a decade paying back the loans and that sucks but if you want medical school badly enough you need to consider taking your shot. The Caribbean, on the other hand, is a gamble with 4 years of your life and $300K. Simply put, if it doesn't work out you have ruined your life as completely and irrevocably as if you murdered someone. You'll never own a home, you'll never have any significant wages. You can't even go bankrupt. You will live with your parents until they die, at which point you will in all probability be homeless until you die. It's a bigger gamble.

And, BTW it's a gamble with much worse odds. I went thorough an SMP program, the odds of successfully matriculating at medical school for my class was 95%. Many respectable programs boast at least a 70% success rate. Caribbean school success rate? Maybe 10%. Maybe. It's a BAD gamble. Barely better than scratch off lotto tickets. If you can do well on the MCAT the SMP is a better plan. If you can't then finding another career is a better plan.

Now this is leaving aside the issue of what makes you think you are going to survive in medical school with a 3.0 GPA. That's another bit of serious introspection you need to do. But first things first: stop looking at the Caribbean. As many have said, finding a career is a much better option than mortgaging your life to those government backed scam artists.
+pad+ But seriously, QFT!!
 
The sensationalist and over-dramatic stories of pre-meds and med students, oh my.
 
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I think hating on the Caribbean MD is one of the few topics that SDN pre-allo can agree on. Well done. 👍
 
Jesus, I am NOT getting into DO with a 3.2, guess I'll repost in the carribbean forums. And I theoretically could take a year off and do an SMP, but that's a gamble. I don't even know if I can get into an SMP 😵

Once you go to the Caribbean all the luck is taken out of it, if you study, you're going to be at least an internal medicine guy.

I graduated with a 3.26 (3.2 sgpa), did an SMP, and have been accepted US allopathic.

My best friend graduated undergrad with a 3.0 undergrad; he did an SMP(w/almost a 4.0) which boosted his GPA to 3.2-3.4; then, he was accepted allopathic.

So, even if you don't get a 4.0 thru an SMP, as long as you show much more improvement, you should be ok for osteopathic. This also depends on your mcat, but if you study harder during your SMP, you should learn enough to raise your mcat(at least the BS section)

Oh, and I agree with Perrotfish that Caribbean is also gamble; but with slimmer chances.
 
While this was probably true 30 years ago, today this is painfully wrong. If you browse the Caribbean forums you'll see that graduating from a Caribbean school does not guarentee you a residency and most graduates don't match. In fact graduating in the top half of your class with an above average USMLE score does not guarentee you a residency. There are now so many US medical students competing over the limited number of residency slots in this country that Caribbean grads need to have the kind of numbers that would get a US medical student a Derm residency (250+ USMLE, Honored the majority of their rotations) just to get into a single, malignant, backwoods family practice program so that they can see clinic for the rest of their lives. Surgery and Internal medicine residents from the Caribbean, though previously common, are rapidly becoming a thing of the past. And it will get WAY worse by the time you graduate.

That is, of course, if you graduate. Keep in mind that most Caribbean schools take more students than they have seats in the lecture halls. They're looking to take your money and run, and they don't care if the majority of you don't actually finish (let alone match). Compare this to a US medical school, which has countless mechanisms to make sure you don't fail out, no matter what. My class has lost 5 people out of 180 in three years. Caribbean schools lose more than half their class by the end of the first year. So to summarize you need to be in the small percentage of you class that graduates, and the be in the small percentage of the graduates that gets a residency, so that you can do work an NP would turn his/her nose up at while paying down 300K in debt.

So, like others have said before, don't do it. Either go to a US school or find a new career. You think an SMP is a gamble? An SMP is a gamble with $50,000 and a year of your life. If it doesn't work out you'll spend half a decade paying back the loans and that sucks but if you want medical school badly enough you need to consider taking your shot. The Caribbean, on the other hand, is a gamble with 4 years of your life and $300K. Simply put, if it doesn't work out you have ruined your life as completely and irrevocably as if you murdered someone. You'll never own a home, you'll never have any significant wages. You can't even go bankrupt. You will live with your parents until they die, at which point you will in all probability be homeless until you die. It's a bigger gamble.

And, BTW it's a gamble with much worse odds. I went thorough an SMP program, the odds of successfully matriculating at medical school for my class was 95%. Many respectable programs boast at least a 70% success rate. Caribbean school success rate? Maybe 10%. Maybe. It's a BAD gamble. Barely better than scratch off lotto tickets. If you can do well on the MCAT the SMP is a better plan. If you can't then finding another career is a better plan.

Now this is leaving aside the issue of what makes you think you are going to survive in medical school with a 3.0 GPA. That's another bit of serious introspection you need to do. But first things first: stop looking at the Caribbean. As many have said, finding a different career is a much better option than mortgaging your life to those government backed scam artists.

Thx for the post. But waywaywaywyawyaywyawyya too late in the game to change career paths, I hate it when people tell me this. What the hell am I going to do with a freaking bio major? Go work at McDonalds. I am basically done with college, I would have to REDO college and throw another 100k down the drain.... only to go to grad school later. 'Chyea, no.

But the thing is, if I take the MCAT in April, I won't have time to apply to SMP's till the next semester I don't think. And jesus all the teachers hate me, did I mention that? 2 of them think I'm brilliant and misunderstood, 1 thinks I'm brilliant and super lazy, and the others just hate me lol. (I go to a private school) I think that was the reason I wanted to jet for the Caribbean.
 
What if I were to tell you, OP, that you could earn your MD and never leave the US, even with terrible grades and/or MCAT scores? Is that something you might be interested in?

Oceania University School of Medicine in Samoa. The world's first medical school that allows students to take their first two years ONLINE!

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Oceania University School of Medicine in Samoa. The world's first medical school that allows students to take their first two years ONLINE!

just looked at the website because I had never heard of it...

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Jesus. The sensationalism is ridiculous.

Going to the carribean is not the end of the world.

Remember, not all carribean schools are the same. St. Georges is infinitely better then the random schools that dont even require an MCAT score.

That being said going DO is a much safer route but for the motivated student that knows what they are getting into and doesnt want to waste anymore time its not a horrible option.

Lastly, im pretty sure that for August admission at SGU the average gpa is around 3.3-3.4 and MCAT around 25 ish. Those numbers could get you in at a DO school.

Looking at the match list there: https://baysgu35.sgu.edu/ERD/2009/ResidPost.nsf/BYPGY?OpenView&RestrictToCategory=PGY1&Count=-1

It appears that Slightly higher than 10% are getting residencies and maybe just more than a handful are getting residencies at better than backwater Montana Family Medicine programs...just saying...

Clearly DO > Carribean OVERALL but that doesn't mean that you are completely screwed if you go Carib MD.
 
Thx for the post. But waywaywaywyawyaywyawyya too late in the game to change career paths, I hate it when people tell me this. What the hell am I going to do with a freaking bio major? Go work at McDonalds. I am basically done with college, I would have to REDO college and throw another 100k down the drain.... only to go to grad school later. 'Chyea, no.

But the thing is, if I take the MCAT in April, I won't have time to apply to SMP's till the next semester I don't think. And jesus all the teachers hate me, did I mention that? 2 of them think I'm brilliant and misunderstood, 1 thinks I'm brilliant and super lazy, and the others just hate me lol. (I go to a private school) I think that was the reason I wanted to jet for the Caribbean.

First, in terms of your career prospects, you shouldn't sell yourself short. Less than 25% of Americans will ever get a college degree and only a small percentage of them will get a science degree. A bio degree might not have the guarenteed earning power of a degree in engineering of medicine, but keep in mind thhat the vast majority of college graduates in this country get a degree in the liberal arts (gameboy and alcohol) from a fourth tier university. Just like those graduates, you can now apply for the thousands of entry level marketing, management, and sales jobs that require that degree, and employers are going to favor you over those graduates since they know you at least know how to work. You can also apply for high paying civil service jobs, become an officer in the military, get your teaching license (or go teach right away in the private/catholic school system) or apply to be an officer on one of the higher paying police forces in this nation.
There are also jobs that are specific for a bio degree. I've worked at one (a pesticide and wood preservation company) and the pay, while not generous, was better than McDonalds. There are also jobs in pharm, genetics, and of course there is always a doctorate in Bio and a shot at academia (not a great idea but better than the islands). You've got options.
On the other hand when you're saying that all your teachers hate you its setting off alarm bells in my head. What makes you think that medical school, and particularly a Caribbean medical school with a poor support network and a high fail out rate, is going to be the answer for you? Why do you think that you'll suddenly become the star student once you get to a more competitive enviornment?

BTW I think that May (you'd get your results in May, right) is not too late for some SMPs. I think Drexel IMS and Georgetown SMP are still taking apps then, though I'm not sure. Cincinnatti and Rosiland Franklin might be as well. I think it's too late for EVMS but I'm not sure about that either. Check, don't assume. Also even if you did wait a year to apply, maybe a year off would be good for you. Maybe you could spend some time in the workforce, see what your options are.

Anyway, good luck, whatever you choose to do.
 
Thx for the post. But waywaywaywyawyaywyawyya too late in the game to change career paths, I hate it when people tell me this. What the hell am I going to do with a freaking bio major? Go work at McDonalds. I am basically done with college, I would have to REDO college and throw another 100k down the drain.... only to go to grad school later. 'Chyea, no.

But the thing is, if I take the MCAT in April, I won't have time to apply to SMP's till the next semester I don't think. And jesus all the teachers hate me, did I mention that? 2 of them think I'm brilliant and misunderstood, 1 thinks I'm brilliant and super lazy, and the others just hate me lol. (I go to a private school) I think that was the reason I wanted to jet for the Caribbean.

Allow me to echo Parrotfishes sentiment. Going to the Carribean is a gamble that you may never get to practice in the US, and the odds get worse everyday. Its true that SGU and Ross have a halfway decent match list, but heres the thing.

1. The numbers to get into those schools could probably get you into a DO school, which will match much, MUCH better, as well as giving you a more positive school experience with a support network, less inter-class competition, and better rotations.

2. The match list, while impressive for a Caribbean school, only shows the people that actually matched. It doesn't show you the high (don't have the exact number but it is significant) % of graduates that went unmatched, and are now 250k in debt with no job. It doesn't show you the >50% of people who didn't make it past the first two years, and are 60-120k in debt with no MD and no job, etc.

Somehow people always assume that they'll be the one that beats the odds.

Do as well as possible on the MCAT, take a 1 year SMP program, then apply very broadly to DO and lower tier US MD programs.
 
BTW I think that May (you'd get your results in May, right) is not too late for some SMPs. I think Drexel IMS and Georgetown SMP are still taking apps then, though I'm not sure. Cincinnatti and Rosiland Franklin might be as well. I think it's too late for EVMS but I'm not sure about that either. Check, don't assume.

Yep, Drexel's deadline is July 8, so you have plenty of time.
 
I'm taking my MCAT in April, and want to try and get into a med school next semester. I was thinking of going to India but apparently you only get into internal medicine coming from there (at least you have a chance to do something else coming from the Caribbean). I'm confused to when I should apply, I didn't ask for letters of reccomendation yet since I didn't think I would need it, but Ross apparently asks for it. My GPA is 3.0 atm, maybe up to 3.2 by the end of the semester since I'm retaking 2 classes along with what I need to graduate.

Thx beforehand!



Apply DO. Matching back into the United States as a FMG is going to become exponentially harder in the next few years (ie: when you'd be graduating from medical school). You will have a much better shot at the residencies you want coming from a DO school than you would from a foreign MD program. If you want proof, compare the match lists for any of the big 3 caribbean schools to DO programs like KCUMB, PCOM, DMU, NYCOM.
 
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