When to ask for LOR ?

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JibsGuy52

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Hey guys...
I'm a Canadian near the Toronto area. We have about 3 DO's in the city maximum thus it's extremely hard to get shadowing/time with the doctor. I'm booked for a half day as it stands. I'm just wondering how many hours I should try and put in before asking for a LOR?
 
Its not how many hours you do, its how you APPROACH them when asking.


But, roughly 20 hours. More the better. Generic is better than no letter.
 
Well how do you approach them and ask for a letter? I'm going through the same thing, and was just planning on being up front and honest as soon as possible.
 
So, I will use my example. Im socially awkward though. Not sure if this applies to you guys and/or gals.

Try to find a time when the physician is talking to you, and only you. This is usually when you are leaving. Thank the physician for dedicating their time for you. Smile. Then politely say,"Dr. X, I know you are extremely busy and I really do appreciate you giving me this wonderful opportunity to shadow. I was wondering if you could write a LOR?"

The worst that can happen is a "no."
 
"Dr. As you know I am currently in the application cycle for admissions. As part of this process they do require a letter of support from a DO. I think having a letter from you will boost my candidacy and hence at some point would it be ok to request a letter of support?"

"Oh sure, just shoot me an email"

"Thanks, yeh I cAn send you my cv/resume for you to write more on"

Using this, Ive scored 2 DO letters


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"Dr. As you know I am currently in the application cycle for admissions. As part of this process they do require a letter of support from a DO. I think having a letter from you will boost my candidacy and hence at some point would it be ok to request a letter of support?"

"Oh sure, just shoot me an email"

"Thanks, yeh I cAn send you my cv/resume for you to write more on"

Using this, Ive scored 2 DO letters


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How many hours did you put in before you asked?
 
How many hours did you put in before you asked?

For one DO i worked 7 months total but I asked after 2 weeks

The second DO I worked only 9 hours but the job we do at the CDC quarantine station entails I have had certain qualifications, and that day was hectic as we had a high risk passenger arrive at the airport...hence we worked through together and had a great amount of down time later to talk about things. It was then that it came up the school I am looking to apply to as my number one choice is where he went to....just depends how you sell yourself and what not. I take these chances as time to prep for my interview. Working together at the quarantine station on the Ebola task force allowed me to meet so many DOs.


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One of the physicians told me herself that she will write it, and she was very happy to do it. I just reminded her via email.
For the DO, I made sure to shadow a doctor for a couple of days, talked to them about school, process, asked multiple questions, told about myself, my goals, etc. Then after I got more comfortable, I mumbled something like " I know you are busy, but would you be willing to write me a LOR". He joked that he knew this was coming, and kindly agreed to. Its's a school requirement. They have been through it, they will understand. Well or maybe I have been just really lucky.
 
I would try to shadow for at least two days (or half days if that's all you can schedule). I shadowed a DO for two days (~18 hours total) and then emailed him and asked. He was more than happy to write me a letter. I think two days would be fine!
 
I went from nobody to shadow to four in a brief period, but it was all about connections. Two guys were surgical residents with my sister, but I was a little hesitant despite schools saying residents were suffice.

I then asked a friend who was an attending with an EM group at the hospital our aircraft primarily served. There were two DOs with their practice, but I had heard a lot of good things about one of the younger guys. He was really helpful to a lot of the medics from the FD that dropped patients off there, so I asked my friend to see if he was open to it. He got me his email, and told my friend it wasn't a problem. I emailed him my CV, told him about myself, and wanted to know if I could shadow and obtain a letter. I was upfront: I need to obtain a letter from a DO, but I want to have quality shadowing time too.

I didn't hear anything from him for awhile. I was at a PR event at the hospital one day, it was a BBQ put on by our company for EMS week. A lot of hospital staff came out to grab food and the other DO came out as well. I said "Hey Dr. X, my name is xyz and I am applying to DO school. I was wondering if..." He interrupted me and said "and you need a letter. Sure. Call the scheduler, find out what days I am working and show up for a shift." We chatted for another few minutes, he gave me the contact info, and then he went back inside the hospital. The scheduling lady never called me back, and I didn't want to just show up at the hospital and bombard him during a shift. I ran into him on a couple of flights where I transported a patient he was sending out, and he told me a couple of times "Call Y, tell her I said it's fine and just show up."

Then the other DO responded. I did about 50 hours with him and 12 with the other guy. The one I did 50 hours with said only 2-3 shifts would have been fine, but the school preferred at least 50 hours I think. Regardless, he wrote me an awesome letter. I had a lot of fun during my shifts though because we were able to talk about a lot of stuff that he sees, stuff I transport and how my experiences furthered my specific interests in medicine. We talked about a lot of stuff though, kids/family/healthcare/politics. The whole spectrum. He also helped teach me things that would improve my current practice as a medic, which is what I really enjoyed about it the time I spent shadowing. He, along with the other docs and PAs working the shifts, were all about giving me pointers for interviews.

I got a ton out of my shadowing time. I wrote a thank you letter to the medical director of the ED and mentioned everyone by name that helped make my shadowing experience so awesome. I got a really strong letter from the experience, but I took away a couple main points: they're really busy, and they look forward to repaying the favor that another DO did for them when they were applying. So capitalize on that. Be succinct and provide them with everything you can that demonstrates you are a mature and well rounded individual. I sent CV, academic information, and personal statement.

Good luck.
 
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