When will CVS stop cutting staff?

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What has to happen?

So many misfills that it catches public attention that it's a huge healthcare hazard?

Or every pharmacy is failing their stupid metrics that A hole Larry Merlo made? They can't fire EVERYONE.

It's so disgusting that companies legitimately don't care at all about employee morale. Like maybe if you tried even a little to make your employees happy they'd be more productive.

Digging further into this ... okay the whole new grad thing but what about when salaries go down below 100k and are not lucrative at all for such a ****ty job? Yeah I don't give an F if I have to take online classes for some random major but you BETTER believe I'm absolutely leaving pharmacy if I'm getting paid 70-80k to work full time at CVS. And I'd be hard pressed to see as many people trying to get a pharmD to make 80k a year when PA or even nursing surpasses that with lower degrees.
 
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Never.
It’s gonna get worse and worse.

What I am seeing is..
CVS cuts more hours —> your metric number will go down or you have misfill—> RPh, with years experience and also with high pay, will be replaced with young new grads who would take any job with any low pay in this saturated market. —> repeat..
 
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that's why you get a job and stay in this **** for as long as you can to pay off your loans, then start doing some side hustle. this profession is **** in terms of scale-ability
 
Rouelle said:
They will cut until the point when State Boards start mandating a specific ratio of employees per unit of prescription volume. And I would love for that to happen for the sake of patient safety.
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Rouelle said:
And I fear it will take deaths for this to happen.
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Well, that's actually what happened in the late 70s/early 80s to cause the first ratios, space requirements, and no smoking/womanizing in the pharmacy rules. We had enough patients get misfill issues that it was imposed not make the public safer (not us).
 
It's affecting non-retail CVS companies as well. I work LTC, and our full-time staff RPh hours just got cut from 40 to 37.5. Maybe doesn't seem like a HUGE deal...., but we have to have a certain number of RPhs to physically do the job each day and maintain the tech/RPh ratio for my state. So my manager's solution was to cut 30 min from each FT RPh per day. Instead of five 8's, we are working five 7.5's.

It's so frustrating and I'm sure just the beginning....! More RX's, more facilities to service, more calls after hours....but less staff hours and compensation to deal with it all.
 
Pharma1995xx said:
What has to happen?

So many misfills that it catches public attention that it's a huge healthcare hazard?

Or every pharmacy is failing their stupid metrics that A hole Larry Merlo made? They can't fire EVERYONE.

It's so disgusting that companies legitimately don't care at all about employee morale. Like maybe if you tried even a little to make your employees happy they'd be more productive.

Digging further into this ... okay the whole new grad thing but what about when salaries go down below 100k and are not lucrative at all for such a ****ty job? Yeah I don't give an F if I have to take online classes for some random major but you BETTER believe I'm absolutely leaving pharmacy if I'm getting paid 70-80k to work full time at CVS. And I'd be hard pressed to see as many people trying to get a pharmD to make 80k a year when PA or even nursing surpasses that with lower degrees.
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My solution to CVS cuts is too simply turn customers away and say “out of stock”

If this horrible company isn’t gonna give adequate help for me to safely serve the customers and corrupt sellout state boards aren’t putting any sensible regulations in place than the only option is to turn customers away.

Obviously you can’t turn Caremark ones away but the rest I do.
 
Pharma1995xx said:
What has to happen?

So many misfills that it catches public attention that it's a huge healthcare hazard?

Or every pharmacy is failing their stupid metrics that A hole Larry Merlo made? They can't fire EVERYONE.

It's so disgusting that companies legitimately don't care at all about employee morale. Like maybe if you tried even a little to make your employees happy they'd be more productive.

Digging further into this ... okay the whole new grad thing but what about when salaries go down below 100k and are not lucrative at all for such a ****ty job? Yeah I don't give an F if I have to take online classes for some random major but you BETTER believe I'm absolutely leaving pharmacy if I'm getting paid 70-80k to work full time at CVS. And I'd be hard pressed to see as many people trying to get a pharmD to make 80k a year when PA or even nursing surpasses that with lower degrees.
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The golden age of retail pharmacy is coming to an end. When Amazon comes in and delivers today or next day delivery, it is all over for retail. With the exception of lonely old people, no one really wants to drive to the pharmacy their medication. It is not an enjoyable experience. CVS is seeing the writing on the wall and trying to buy up the competition so that when the **** hits the fan, they will survive. But in reality, they are all doomed. Watch CVS cut more and more.
 
Pharma1995xx said:
What has to happen?

So many misfills that it catches public attention that it's a huge healthcare hazard?

Or every pharmacy is failing their stupid metrics that A hole Larry Merlo made? They can't fire EVERYONE.

It's so disgusting that companies legitimately don't care at all about employee morale. Like maybe if you tried even a little to make your employees happy they'd be more productive.

Digging further into this ... okay the whole new grad thing but what about when salaries go down below 100k and are not lucrative at all for such a ****ty job? Yeah I don't give an F if I have to take online classes for some random major but you BETTER believe I'm absolutely leaving pharmacy if I'm getting paid 70-80k to work full time at CVS. And I'd be hard pressed to see as many people trying to get a pharmD to make 80k a year when PA or even nursing surpasses that with lower degrees.
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"I'm getting paid 70-80k"

I can honestly see the salaries falling to around 50-60k per a year for pharmacists before stabilizing. I would ask yourself, are you okay with making 25-30 USD an hour working as a pharmacist? if not maybe time to go back to school. Finite jobs means static demand and a massive increase in supply of pharmacists.
 
Modest_anteater said:
"I'm getting paid 70-80k"

I can honestly see the salaries falling to around 50-60k per a year for pharmacists before stabilizing. I would ask yourself, are you okay with making 25-30 USD an hour working as a pharmacist? if not maybe time to go back to school. Finite jobs means static demand and a massive increase in supply of pharmacists.
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70-80K isn't bad if pharmacy school tuition drops. Paying 40-50k in loans to make 70-80k is a good deal. But not spending 200k
 
Rphs, don't forget how low the wage is for techs, and they never get raises AND they cut their hours. The next juicy expense corporste would love to cut is the rph salary. The Rph salary is next, once they realize new grad will take any offer it will be a race to the bottom. Cut all old rphs for some stupid mistake and replace with new grad that makes much less.
 
zelman said:
Robots? No. That's nonsense.

They'll keep cutting until it's robot. Singular.
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What's funny about the automation industry is that there's an analogous argument about American companies substituting good American (Fanuc) German (Siemens), Japanese (Yakawa, Denso, Mitsubishi) robots for cheaper Indian (Tata - the company that got its robotics training from Italy's Comau with predictable results from Italian and Indian engineering) and Chinese (Foxconn) that cost far less, but are turning out to have a much higher total cost of ownership when defects and loss production hours are accounted for.

It's always the bottom line trying to push things for less. That's ok, the C-suite already got their money and ran.
 
DrVader said:
70-80K isn't bad if pharmacy school tuition drops. Paying 40-50k in loans to make 70-80k is a good deal. But not spending 200k
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Well in my opinion you shouldn't be going to pharmacy school if you are paying 200,000 USD for your tuition. I think most financially responsible people are going to have pharmacy loans maxed at under 100,000 USD.
 
Modest_anteater said:
Well in my opinion you shouldn't be going to pharmacy school if you are paying 200,000 USD for your tuition. I think most financially responsible people are going to have pharmacy loans maxed at under 100,000 USD.
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i know a guy whose 300k+ in debt and that includes his undergrad, and he's doing a residency and plans to get a house. also am sure that a good amount of my class mates are 150k+ in debt. me personally i'm over 200k+. it's not the end of the world though, with that much debt and making rph salary you can still live reasonably paying min payments on loans, but it would take you decades to pay off the loans, which is why im looking to supplement my income
 
Charcoales said:
Rphs, don't forget how low the wage is for techs, and they never get raises AND they cut their hours. The next juicy expense corporste would love to cut is the rph salary. The Rph salary is next, once they realize new grad will take any offer it will be a race to the bottom. Cut all old rphs for some stupid mistake and replace with new grad that makes much less.
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I agree. But they would have to be careful with the laying off of the geriatric pharmacist because if they layoff too many older ones at once it can lead to an age discrimination lawsuit. So usually they will layoff 9 high earning older pharmacists and one very young pharmacist to avoid lawsuit liability.
 
Amphetamine Salts said:
i know a guy whose 300k+ in debt and that includes his undergrad, and he's doing a residency and plans to get a house. also am sure that a good amount of my class mates are 150k+ in debt. me personally i'm over 200k+. it's not the end of the world though, with that much debt and making rph salary you can still live reasonably paying min payments on loans, but it would take you decades to pay off the loans, which is why im looking to supplement my income
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Very eye opening. Community college for two years should be around 4,000 USD plus a 3 year pharmacy school at 26,500 a year is 83,500 USD total for your pharmacy education and that is assuming no scholarships or grants.
 
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Not all community college classes are transferable. Also LECOM is 3 years but technically 4 years of tuition because you do not have summer breaks.
 
maria1oh said:
Not all community college classes are transferable. Also LECOM is 3 years but technically 4 years of tuition because you do not have summer breaks.
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All the community college classes that matter are transferable to virtually all pharmacy schools nationwide. That includes Chem 1, Chem 2, bio 1, bio 2, organic 1, organic 2, phy 1, phy 2 ect. You just need to make sure the class as the lab available. They get uploaded into PharmCAS with no problem at all. Yes, some prerequisites such as BioChem are not available at most community colleges but Biochem isn't required by many pharmacy schools.
 
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Based on my experience in columbus ohio. Columbus state community college and ohio state University were not transferable beyond bio 1, phy 1 and Chem 1. Maybe thinge have changed.
 
maria1oh said:
Based on my experience in columbus ohio. Columbus state community college and ohio state University were not transferable beyond bio 1, phy 1 and Chem 1. Maybe thinge have changed.
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What do you mean when you say that they were not transferable? are you saying that when you got the transcripts from the college college and sent them to Pharmcas, Pharmcas refused to populate this information?
 
Modest_anteater said:
What do you mean when you say that they were not transferable? are you saying that when you got the transcripts from the college college and sent them to Pharmcas, Pharmcas refused to populate this information?
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More likely that THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY refused to accept them for counting towards the pre-req requirements.
 
Modest_anteater said:
I agree. But they would have to be careful with the laying off of the geriatric pharmacist because if they layoff too many older ones at once it can lead to an age discrimination lawsuit. So usually they will layoff 9 high earning older pharmacists and one very young pharmacist to avoid lawsuit liability.
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Rite aid has been getting rid of the older rphs for awhile now. Many of us were getting five weeks vacation when they bought eckerd and were grandfathered in. Good luck finding one of those rphs working for rad now. If they couldn't find something wrong to fire you with they would just write you up for performance improvement. Then a month later you're gone. An age discrimination lawsuit at 50 years of age is not going to happen. Makes sense for them to get rid of a rph manager making $65/h and five weeks vacation and replace em with a new grad making $50/hr. Don't expect to be rewarded by any of the big three for years of service. It's actually a negative in their view.
 
Rouelle said:
And I fear it will take deaths for this to happen.
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BOP's don't care about patient safety. They have been bought by corporate. All of them are appointed by the governor who is controlled by lobbyists. You can see what Illinois BOP thinks about patient safety when it comes to ratios. More volume and less staff and if something happens then just pay them off and sign non-disclosure.
 
OXYFORALL said:
Rite aid has been getting rid of the older rphs for awhile now. Many of us were getting five weeks vacation when they bought eckerd and were grandfathered in. Good luck finding one of those rphs working for rad now. If they couldn't find something wrong to fire you with they would just write you up for performance improvement. Then a month later you're gone. An age discrimination lawsuit at 50 years of age is not going to happen. Makes sense for them to get rid of a rph manager making $65/h and five weeks vacation and replace em with a new grad making $50/hr. Don't expect to be rewarded by any of the big three for years of service. It's actually a negative in their view.
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The Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (Federal law) protects any American workers over the age of 40 from being fired based on age.
 
Modest_anteater said:
The Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (Federal law) protects any American workers over the age of 40 from being fired based on age.
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Huh. It is hard to evaluate the sincerity of this post. You realize that making a law doesn't actually mean the illegal thing never happens, right?
 
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