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So I am not at all sure where I messed up but I am completely in shock with my score. Primarily because once you see the breakdown of my score it'll look like something went completely haywire and I want to find out what.

I took TPR Ultimate course and did every passage given. Read every book cover to cover.

TPR 1: 490 (122/123/124/121) (Diagnostic)

TPR 2: 496 (124/123/125/124)

TPR 3: 493 (122/122/125/124)

TPR 4: 499 (125/125/124/125)

TPR 5: 496 (124/125/124/123)

Complete test 1: 499 (124/125/125/125)

Complete test 2: 498 (124/122/127/125)

Bio Q-Pack 1: 63%

Chem Q-Pack: 63%

Physics Q-Pack: 64%

CARS Q-Pack 1: 60%

CARS Q-Pack 2: 57%

OG: (53% / 77% / 70% / 66%)

AAMC FL: (64% / 74% / 78% / 64%)

MCAT (Sep. 12): 497 (126/122/124/125)

I'm not even sure where to begin. My Verbal overall was getting better as I practiced. My CARS is whats troubling, it looks like I wasn't prepared from an outside perspective. All I can remember from test day was thinking C/P was really easy, Verbal was eh, bio was a little easy too and psych was so hard. I have no idea where I went wrong. Any advice or see any holes in anything? My predictor said DEFINITELY 501-514 but PROBABLY 504-509. I did not, ironically, have test anxiety I was rather really calm, perhaps too calm. I finished every passage on the exam. Thanks in advance!
 
The predictor was never infallible. I scored well below my predicted range, especially in CARS, when I use my FL values. My FL CARS score less than a week before my exam date was 98%, but my actual MCAT score for CARS was 125. If I plug my OG scores (77/77/73/77), the predictor is right on the money. FYI I was not stressed either. The fact of the matter is that people should realize that "predictors" that were not created by the AAMC themselves are by their very nature unreliable and should be regarded as such. One test may have a section with questions you find easy while on others the questions are much more difficult. You may be really, really good at answering certain question types while others give you trouble.
 
@misterwiggles I know this result is disappointing for you, but in my experience your test day result is not unexpected. Your test day results are within a point or 2 of your FL average (though how accurate any companies present scales are is VERY questionable). The problem is the use of the 1, un-scored AAMC exam as a predictor is very misleading, and serves to underscore the point that NO one test, by anyone, even the AAMC (though they are the most AAMC like ;-) can predict your score with significant accuracy. Consistent scoring is more useful than any 1 good or bad result. The current AAMC score "predictor" should be taken with a very large grain of salt. It is however, the closest thing we have right now until the AAMC releases more exams. I agree that with your AAMC FL percentages, you could have done better and you had done better on previous exams. Was the science you saw on test day similar to what was on the AAMC FL?

Unfortunately, many people will have a result similar to your, especially while the MCAT is so new. The OG is considered easy by many, tough by others. Same goes for the AAMC FL. The point is that any given MCAT can have topics you find easy, and another can just as easily combine topics you do not do well with. That is why I tell all my students to shoot for 6-10 FL exams by the time they are ready for the real thing. Your CARS appears to have typically been your lowest score not just on test day so I would focus on developing your critical reasoning skills for that section. With those skills honed, you will improve at the sciences as well, which don't seem to be as big an issue.

What is your score goal? The AAMC will be releasing a new, SCORED exam in November so that will give you more material. Many companies will also be revising their materials in the off-season so you can expect better materials come 2016. Avoid repeating exams (except for the AAMC material) you have already used when you study the next time. Re-using books (but not CARS) is fine but you'll want to develop your content foundation and critical thinking strategies (you mentioned timing not being an issue). EK has an older VR book (EK 101) and NextStep has a new CARS book (Verbal 108) for the 2015 MCAT. Both will help with CARS thinking and strategies but the latter is designed for he new MCAT only.

Overall, it is not surprising in this cycle for scores to be very off compared to test day performance. It will get better as we have more material and more data. Find some better, i.e.e more representative Full Length exams (EK and NextStep consistently rank near the top). The AAMC is also going to be releasing a whole new Q bank and additional practice test before 2016 so pick those up as well. Khan academy is very hit or miss with quality, but it is FREE and they have limited input from the AAMC themselves.

Hope this helps, good luck!
 
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@misterwiggles I know this result is disappointing for you, but in my experience your test day result is not that surprising when examining your practice history. Your test day results are within a point or 2 of your FL average and is close to your most recent exams. The use of the 1, un-scored AAMC exam as a predictor is very misleading, and serves to underscore the point that NO one test, by anyone, even the AAMC (though they are the most AAMC like ;-) can predict your score with significant accuracy. The OG is considered easy by many, tough by others. Any given MCAT can have topics you find easy, and another can just as easily combine topics you do not do well with. That is why I tell all my students to shoot for 6-10 FL exams by the time they are ready for the real thing. You did, and your test day score is in line with your practice performance. Your CARS appears to have typically been your lowest score not just on test day so I would focus on developing your critical reasoning skills for that section. With those skills honed, you will improve at the sciences as well, which don't seem to be as big an issue.

What is your score goal? The AAMC will be releasing a new, SCORED exam in November so that will give you more material. Many companies will also be revising their materials in the off-season so you can expect better materials come 2016. Avoid repeating exams you have already used when you study the next time. Re-using books is fine but you'll want to develop your content foundation and critical thinking strategies (you mentioned timing not being an issue).

Hope this helps, good luck!


I have to disagree with the above. While the AAMC FL is hardly some perfect predictor, it has predicted many many people's scores with reasonable accuracy. A 497 is not at all what I would expect from someone who answered 70% of the AAMC FL questions correctly. You can explain away one section being a lot lower than your practice test, but not all 4. Something went wrong during test day, as in significantly wrong. Because based off these scores, I would have expected something in the 505-508 range( a 29 or so on the old MCAT). Instead you have a 497 which is in the 23-24 range for this MCAT.

The Princeton FL scores are next to useless; I don't put any weight in their 499's and their deflated scale at all. Saying you had a 499 on that so it's expected you would get similar on the real MCAT doesn't hold much water. And beyond that is the bigger issue; the Princeton FL is absolutely nothing like the real MCAT at all. IT is basically a regurgitation of facts and memory recollection. That is not what the MCAT it is and that highlights maybe the biggest thing you need to change for a re-take strategy; doing MCAT passages that are similar to the actual MCAT. These classes full of practice questions that aren't remotely similar to the real MCAT aren't going to be of much benefit to you. Really this example drives home something I say alot; the resources you use to study matter. Alot. Many of them simply aren't preparing people for what to expect on test day.

So how do you find realistic MCAT practice material? Fortunately there is alot of it.

For low verbal since you already did the TPRH verbal workbook, next up is to invest in EK 101 passages. Do them all. Go through and find old AAMC practice exams. Do all the verbal passages for those. That's close to 100 passages of the best practice out there. Khan Academy has a few verbal practice passages. Do them. EK has an individual CARs book with about 20 passages that are good. Do them. And beyond that, EK and Next Step have some very solid FL practice exams(particularly EK) that do the best job you can have of simulating the real MCAT. You'll find a very large number of practice passages there for verbal. Do them all. All in all, that's over 200 practice passages for verbal, maybe even close to 300. Part of it is you simply got unlucky on CARs last time. Do all this practice and with better luck I think you have a fair shot to improve your CARs score at least 2 points.

For the sciences, this is another area where prep companies are weak in. You need realistic practice passages that are like the actual MCAT and not mere fact recollection. this is where the berekley review is an invaluable resource. I'll go as far as to say somebody who doesn't do all the physical sciences passages BR offers is shooting themselves in the foot and not maximizing their potential score. For Bio, you will get plenty of very good practice as well. Do all these passages across all their books. It's over 400 passages and it will make a difference. On top of that, Khan Academy has a number of good passages. Do them all. EK and Next Step FL's are also very good practice for this, as are the EK individual books for physics and bio. All in all, you'll have over 700 passages that are much more realistic MCAT practice than what a PR book will offer. Do all this, and there is a good chance you will do better the next time around. On top of this, I would advice doing all the old AAMC material for sciences, particularly bio. Again, it's about learning how the MCAT thinks that's really what counts and will improve your score.

For psych/soc, unfortunately there is not as much great material. But EK FL's and practice books are good. As are Next Step. And Khan Academy is another very good resource. I can't really guarantee this will do alot to drastically improve your score, but even if you can score an extra point or two higher, it will help.

Finally, I would save the newly released AAMC practice test and practice until you have done about 60- 70% of this. You need to get a realistic gauge of where you stand and how you can improve. Don't do it before and give yourself enough time where you can still study and improve after. And I would repeat the AAMC FL you already did at some point. The score it gives yo uwon't be the most realistic idea of where you stand but it's invaluable practice. Your goal through all of this is to think like the MCAT: doing the material they released for this exam is the best way to do that.

From all of this you need to set a realistic target score for a re-take. Your AAMC FL was suggestive of someone who could get around a 505 on the real deal. Obviously that didn't happen. But look at each section and how much improvement you think you can make. For C/P with doing all of BR and the realistic practice exams, a 2 point improvement to a 128 might be realistic given this is the section historically the easiest to improve. For CARs, a 2-3 point improvement to 124-125 might be realistic. For Bio, a 2 point improvement from say 124 to 126 might be realistic. For psych/soc it's tough to say, maybe 1-2 points to go up to 126-127. All in all if you can come out with a 128/124/126/126 that will equal a 504. Not a perfect score, around a 28 on the old scale. But a hell of a lot better than a 497 and a score that will be competitive for a large number of DO programs. And if you can do better, great. But that to me is a way of how I would look at this and how I would go about a re-take strategy. Remember there are no guarantees. You might not improve your score doing all this much. But you have to give it one final effort and go all in. To me, this is the best way to do it. You gotta have a specific plan and realistic goal. To me, BR, EK, Khan, old AAMC material and KA are the path to follow and 502-506 is a realistic target for the re-take.
 
Most of all...don't give up. The MCAT is actually wonderful in that you get to learn from it and retake it. Our admissions team includes several of us who have been on ADCOMs and one of the things we hear "out and about" that is a clear wives tale in our opinion is that committees frown upon multiple MCAT exams. I'm not even sure that a one-and-done 510 would be valued much differently than a 499 followed by a 510. Personally, if I saw a student get a 497, then a 499, then a 512...I'd be thinking, "That's someone with tenacity and perseverance who doesn't give up. That suggests they are less likely to give up when the med school curriculum gets daunting." I am roughly in accordance with Grapes of Wrath that most MCAT-2015 practice materials are grossly inaccurate. However, I don't think the one's he suggests are a whole lot better than Kaplan or PR. Khan is FREE--the best price--but those are NOT representative of AAMC. The word count alone is usually double to quadruple what is on an AAMC passage, only some are based on peer-reviewed journal articles, and almost all of the figures are not AAMC-like. A great task for you would be to become more like an AAMC author yourself. Look at the AAMC full-length and the OG...then look at the practice materials out there. How are they different? What do the questions require you to do or think?

It is an interesting exercise to go through the one AAMC full-length and list the science topics required as prior knowledge. There are multiple questions that require really simple stuff like Distance = rate*time, or Density = m/v, or central dogma...the rest are ALMOST all very basic, very widely-taught science. Whether you get the question right or wrong is much more of a question of 'thinking' like an AAMC author. Try to be as "critical" as possible. This term is part of the ubiquitous "critical thinking" everyone says the MCAT is all about, but most students I work with don't think critically at all. They let the test lead them around by the neck. If some answer choice suggests: "Because the interior of the protein is hydrophilic" as an answer choice they think, "That sounds plausible...or..."I don't know...that could be..." You have to CRITICIZE the silly answer choices the AAMC authors try to put out there. Ask yourself "What do I know about proteins? What do I know about how they fold? What part of them is most likely to be hydrophilic vs. hydrophobic? Where are they usually found (in blood, in cytosol, mostly hydrophilic environments...) and so on." You are almost like the professor grading the student's paper and trying to catch when he or she makes statements that violate BASIC science principles. Almost all students KNOW way more than they think they do, they are just AWFUL at extracting it in a way that applies to the present question!

So, with that in mind, my recommendation is to stay positive, make a plan, and this time 1) Learn a lot more about how the AAMC authors test and 2) Practice being far more critical in your ANALYSIS of questions. Get the best full-length exams you can, but remember that the AAMC exam will be very, very similar in STYLE and CRITICAL THINKING REQUIREMENTS to the OG and AAMC FL1.
 
Most of all...don't give up. The MCAT is actually wonderful in that you get to learn from it and retake it. Our admissions team includes several of us who have been on ADCOMs and one of the things we hear "out and about" that is a clear wives tale in our opinion is that committees frown upon multiple MCAT exams. I'm not even sure that a one-and-done 510 would be valued much differently than a 499 followed by a 510. Personally, if I saw a student get a 497, then a 499, then a 512...I'd be thinking, "That's someone with tenacity and perseverance who doesn't give up. That suggests they are less likely to give up when the med school curriculum gets daunting." I am roughly in accordance with Grapes of Wrath that most MCAT-2015 practice materials are grossly inaccurate. However, I don't think the one's he suggests are a whole lot better than Kaplan or PR. Khan is FREE--the best price--but those are NOT representative of AAMC. The word count alone is usually double to quadruple what is on an AAMC passage, only some are based on peer-reviewed journal articles, and almost all of the figures are not AAMC-like. A great task for you would be to become more like an AAMC author yourself. Look at the AAMC full-length and the OG...then look at the practice materials out there. How are they different? What do the questions require you to do or think?

It is an interesting exercise to go through the one AAMC full-length and list the science topics required as prior knowledge. There are multiple questions that require really simple stuff like Distance = rate*time, or Density = m/v, or central dogma...the rest are ALMOST all very basic, very widely-taught science. Whether you get the question right or wrong is much more of a question of 'thinking' like an AAMC author. Try to be as "critical" as possible. This term is part of the ubiquitous "critical thinking" everyone says the MCAT is all about, but most students I work with don't think critically at all. They let the test lead them around by the neck. If some answer choice suggests: "Because the interior of the protein is hydrophilic" as an answer choice they think, "That sounds plausible...or..."I don't know...that could be..." You have to CRITICIZE the silly answer choices the AAMC authors try to put out there. Ask yourself "What do I know about proteins? What do I know about how they fold? What part of them is most likely to be hydrophilic vs. hydrophobic? Where are they usually found (in blood, in cytosol, mostly hydrophilic environments...) and so on." You are almost like the professor grading the student's paper and trying to catch when he or she makes statements that violate BASIC science principles. Almost all students KNOW way more than they think they do, they are just AWFUL at extracting it in a way that applies to the present question!

So, with that in mind, my recommendation is to stay positive, make a plan, and this time 1) Learn a lot more about how the AAMC authors test and 2) Practice being far more critical in your ANALYSIS of questions. Get the best full-length exams you can, but remember that the AAMC exam will be very, very similar in STYLE and CRITICAL THINKING REQUIREMENTS to the OG and AAMC FL1.

Interesting post

Couple things

a) Many schools average multiple MCAT attempts. Not really relevant here, but there is a difference in how a 499 then a 510 vs a 510 single setting is viewed at many schools. Many ADCOMs on this site are part of schools that average multiple MCAT attempts.
b) Your advice about really thinking like the AAMC is spot on with the last 2 paragraphs
c) Khan Academy is hardly perfect, the passages are hit and miss, there are a number which are largely fact regurgitation to a slightly lesser extent than Kaplan/PR. But there are some good passages in there as well that make you think. Alot of the diagrams aren't great but some are pretty good. All in all it's worth doing all of it; the practice you get from it on average is definitely better than PR/Kaplan from my opinion. And the passages being longer is good practice.
d) In general yes there isn't a lot of great material to practice for this new exam. But you have to come up with an alternative and can't just simply say well all the material sucks so I'll just keep using whatever because it doesn't matter. To me, while BR, EK and Next Step are hardly perfect, they get you thinking. Many many people say BR is harder than the real deal. Many have said EK's FL's are harder than the real deal. And considering they have many questions that actually get you to think and not simply regurgitate, this is a good thing. You gotta be willing to change up your approach, materials and perspective on a re-take. I think BR, EK and Next Step allow someone to do this. The solution can't just be stick with PR and Kaplan and their tests which are simply regurgitating info and fact recollection.

This isn't relevant to anything you said but I'll add a major problem with people's preparation is not thoroughly spending enough time reviewing exams and mistakes. I'm not exaggerating when I say this: if there is a CARs passage you spend 9 minutes on that you miss more than 1 question on, there is a good chance you need to spend 25-30 minutes just reviewing it in its entirety. You really have to go through every single thing, every answer choice, question stem etc and realize what your thought process was when you read it. Every sentence etc. This is the only way you'll really understand your mistakes and why they happen. They why they are happening part is the key and the only way a practice test is of any benefit to you is if you figure out that why and work on ways it from happening. Far too many people simply keep doing practice tests, maybe spend an 1-2 hours reviewing a 7 hour exam, then just jump to the next one. You simply aren't maximizing the potential of these tests doing this. you also got to keep a log of all your mistakes and constantly review them. That's really the only way of having a chance to make significant gains.

I'll add for CARs separately as a side note you have to be willing to adjust and alter your approach. For some I know reading the last paragraph or two before anything else at the start helps alot. For others, reading questions first helps. For others, highlighting words does. For others, jumping around paragraphs does. You have to be willing to experiment to improve.
 
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I noticed that AAMC FL is less predictive when scores are below 70% (like 64% in this case).
On the other hand those who got more than 80% on all 4 sections of AAMC FL are more prone to score within their expected range. Probably it's best to view AAMC FL as a general indicator of preparedness to mcat exam rather than exact score predictor. It mainly shows if you have any particular weakness in any of sections and if you get >80% in all 4 sections - that just means you are ready to tackle the exam.
 
I agree with Grapes whole-heartedly about the need to spend more time reviewing exams. The greatest score improvements I've realized on any standardized exam is not in the content review stage, but in trying to pin point exactly WHY I missed a question. The most common answer--and a bad one--is something like "I just didn't know that...or...I didn't remember that term." That's a cop-out. First, make sure that the knowledge/detail you think was the reason you missed the question was ACTUALLY the crux to answering the question. Many, many, many, many times students tell me they missed something because of a fact they didn't know and I say "You didn't need to know that...the passage told you "x" which makes C the only plausible conclusion, even if you have no clue what "fact 1" is." Next, if it genuinely is a piece of prior knowledge you needed (much more likely these days with the new PsS section), then you have to ask yourself "Why did I not know that?" Have you ever known it? If it is some totally strange term you cannot find in the Altius manual and was never taught in your prereqs that is one thing. However, often it was there, it was covered, it may have even been tested on previous practice problems, etc., but you didn't do what was necessary at the time to truly understand it when it came up and keep it long-term. In other words, when doing exam review, BEHAVIOR (study habits, organization, strategy, the way you approach the question, etc.) is often more in need of attention/correction than is your content knowledge. More memorization is almost never what is missing...almost.

wrt to multiple scores, yes, if you know a school AVERAGES scores (not hard to figure out) then you know what they will be doing and its almost a moot question. Although, depending on the committee they may know both the average and the individual scores. Some committees which rely heavily on point tallies/score matrices for each applicant will have to give the average score for scoring that aspect of your app, but may still know the individual scores, while others will be blind to the original scores and see only the average. Also remember that more and more adcoms these days are doing something with MCAT scores right out of the gate (e.g., assigning a point value, awarding an interview, etc.), but then blinding everyone on the committee to that stat from that point forward (e.g., your interviewer doesn't know, your essay is evaluated by someone who doesn't know, etc.). Often they do that with both MCAT and GPA. I would still say that for "score averaging" schools a student should not generally think that multiple attempts are all that bad. Practically speaking, if you have a bad score already you cannot change history. If you've got two bad scores can't change that either. But you should make some monumental changes in how you're studying/prepping. My point was that I haven't seen nor heard much of this idea of "yes, they both got a 514, but ding the first guy because he got a 500 first." Probably does happen, but I've heard more of: "Wow, how did he jump from a 500 to a 514? That's impressive."
 
I noticed that AAMC FL is less predictive when scores are below 70% (like 64% in this case).
On the other hand those who got more than 80% on all 4 sections of AAMC FL are more prone to score within their expected range. Probably it's best to view AAMC FL as a general indicator of preparedness to mcat exam rather than exact score predictor. It mainly shows if you have any particular weakness in any of sections and if you get >80% in all 4 sections - that just means you are ready to tackle the exam.

I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the point made here. I've been tooting that horn for a long time: Higher practice test scores are SAFER in terms of avoiding test day drop and LOWER practice scores are MORE DANGEROUS in terms of encountering a widely variant outcome on test day. This might seem counterintuitive given the distribution, but this is why I think that--and its based off of personally watching thousands of students progress from practice scores to actual scores (obviously most this experience is from comparing old AAMC full-lengths to actual old MCAT scores).

1) To get into the 80th-90th percentile range--even on a practice exam--you have to know your stuff. You have to be able to think conceptually and deal well with MCAT-style thinking and passage-based reasoning. You have a solid footing and a slip and fall (metaphorically speaking) is not that likely.

2) Students in the 50th-80th percentile range have a much more tenuous grasp on these topics and on the MCAT generally. They may have made significant improvements in recent weeks or months, but they are generally characterized by "knowing a lot" but not really "understanding very much completely." This is like a climber who is almost to the top of the cliff where the student from #1) is standing. He's just got his hand over the edge of the precipice. Sure, geographically speaking, he's very close to where the first person is...but his tenuous grasp is just that---and the likelihood he will fall and fall big on test day is so much greater.

That is the reason we tell all of our students NEVER to set mediocre goals. I don't know how many times I've seen a student "aim" for "just enough to get into x school," and then fall well below that. Test day is hard. It's stressful. It's risky to tell the truth. BUT, if you have a solid foundation you will almost always be okay. Sure, up a point or two, down a point or three...but that guy who just barely got thermodynamics vs. kinetics clear in his head for the first time ever---give him a little extra stress and the slightest little push...and call for the ambulance!
 
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I agree with Grapes whole-heartedly about the need to spend more time reviewing exams. The greatest score improvements I've realized on any standardized exam is not in the content review stage, but in trying to pin point exactly WHY I missed a question. The most common answer--and a bad one--is something like "I just didn't know that...or...I didn't remember that term." That's a cop-out. First, make sure that the knowledge/detail you think was the reason you missed the question was ACTUALLY the crux to answering the question. Many, many, many, many times students tell me they missed something because of a fact they didn't know and I say "You didn't need to know that...the passage told you "x" which makes C the only plausible conclusion, even if you have no clue what "fact 1" is." Next, if it genuinely is a piece of prior knowledge you needed (much more likely these days with the new PsS section), then you have to ask yourself "Why did I not know that?" Have you ever known it? If it is some totally strange term you cannot find in the Altius manual and was never taught in your prereqs that is one thing. However, often it was there, it was covered, it may have even been tested on previous practice problems, etc., but you didn't do what was necessary at the time to truly understand it when it came up and keep it long-term. In other words, when doing exam review, BEHAVIOR (study habits, organization, strategy, the way you approach the question, etc.) is often more in need of attention/correction than is your content knowledge. More memorization is almost never what is missing...almost.

wrt to multiple scores, yes, if you know a school AVERAGES scores (not hard to figure out) then you know what they will be doing and its almost a moot question. Although, depending on the committee they may know both the average and the individual scores. Some committees which rely heavily on point tallies/score matrices for each applicant will have to give the average score for scoring that aspect of your app, but may still know the individual scores, while others will be blind to the original scores and see only the average. Also remember that more and more adcoms these days are doing something with MCAT scores right out of the gate (e.g., assigning a point value, awarding an interview, etc.), but then blinding everyone on the committee to that stat from that point forward (e.g., your interviewer doesn't know, your essay is evaluated by someone who doesn't know, etc.). Often they do that with both MCAT and GPA. I would still say that for "score averaging" schools a student should not generally think that multiple attempts are all that bad. Practically speaking, if you have a bad score already you cannot change history. If you've got two bad scores can't change that either. But you should make some monumental changes in how you're studying/prepping. My point was that I haven't seen nor heard much of this idea of "yes, they both got a 514, but ding the first guy because he got a 500 first." Probably does happen, but I've heard more of: "Wow, how did he jump from a 500 to a 514? That's impressive."

I agree with most of what you said, very good insight, but in response to the bold, schools are very coy and tight lipped about whether or not they actually average multiple MCATs. You will not get a good answer from asking or calling them. Hell on more than one instance I've called a school(two different ones) on multiple occasions and I got completely different answers in regards to their multiple MCAT policy and whether or not they average the two times I called a school from the two different people I spoke to.

Instead what you are likely to get is a bunch of lip service about how "we'll consider the highest or more recent score heavily". There was actually someone a while back who posted a list of schools and whether they average multiple MCAT attempts based on that person calling each school and hearing their ADCOMs. We then had an ADCOM on this site who knows a bunch of these schools policies and basically said "a number of these schools that you have listed as only considering the highest will average the scores for evaluation and only report the highest for their class profile statistics of accepted students". So as you can see, there is really no good way to figure out whether a school will average multiple MCAT attempts or not. But from all I've gathered, a number of them do, regardless of how they will deny it publicly if you call them.
 
I agree with Grapes and Electric. Most of the material out there is meh, but that is largely due to the newness of the exam. I expect things to get better for 2016 testers. Altius from everything I have heard during my applications and prep, getting a good score once is better t0 the vast majority of schools than a re-take with significant improvement, all other things equal. My advisor often told me, "Do it once, do it right." Some schools may mix and match scores but I would not say a re-take with improvement is better than a single good score.

The aamc FL exam is a very poor predictor overall, as Electric says above. Statistical analysis of the scores submitted on SDN shows it is only good for those who score 70%+ correct on a given section, and below that it wildly misses the mark. The above student who was so "surprised" should not necessarily have been so shocked if the data is accurate. No single test is representative, and that's what sucks about prepping now. EK and the NS tests were far and away the closest to my actual exam, with NS 4 and 5 being the best. I never took EK 4 but 1-3 are good too. I loved the Khan videos but there passages were spotty at best. Some were good, most were not MCAT like at all, and they lack the proper explanations to make them truly valuable MCAT learning tools IMO. I would say the Psych Khan passages are there best resource. But come on, free is free and I would suggest OP use them, but combine them with superior tests. While their score was close to their TPR average, in my personal experience and from the vast consensus on SDN and Reddit, TPR exams are woefully inadequate at mimicking MCAT thinking. I can't state how over or underscored they are, but the data on SDN shows they are not really representative on any level.

Grapes I would not go overboard to say that 1 missed Q requires hours of analysis. Its that kind of thinking that leads so many pre-meds to waste hours thinking quantity > quality. My general rule of thumb was in the beginning, it take at least as much time to review the exam as it did to take it, with improving skills and scores lowering the time it wakes to review. By my 4th FL I was taking < 1/2 the time to review as it did to take. I think this is a good benchmark to use. I would say a set of 5 FL + the AAMC is good, as just testing and testing and testing just does not help much. Efficiency is the goal, not speed, not just quantity.
 
I noticed that AAMC FL is less predictive when scores are below 70% (like 64% in this case).
On the other hand those who got more than 80% on all 4 sections of AAMC FL are more prone to score within their expected range. Probably it's best to view AAMC FL as a general indicator of preparedness to mcat exam rather than exact score predictor. It mainly shows if you have any particular weakness in any of sections and if you get >80% in all 4 sections - that just means you are ready to tackle the exam.

This is very true and to show how its so there are many people on this site(and this site tends to attract a ton of top scorers) who's practice test scores did not indicate they would hit 520+ on the real thing at all but for whom it did end up happening. Likewise on the old MCAT, you'd find many 38-39 scorers who weren't averaging that high on their practice tests. That really as much as anything shows you for top scores how there is an element of luck that can't be ignored.

Those who complain about how their practice tests don't match their real things are the ones who were making a fair amount of mistakes on their practices. While instances like hte OP aren't very common, it is much more likely someone averages a 29 on their AAMC practice but scores a 23-24 on the real thing than a person averaging a 39 in practice but only getting a 32 in the real deal.
 
Grapes I would not go overboard to say that 1 missed Q requires hours of analysis. Its that kind of thinking that leads so many pre-meds to waste hours thinking quantity > quality. My general rule of thumb was in the beginning, it take at least as much time to review the exam as it did to take it, with improving skills and scores lowering the time it wakes to review. By my 4th FL I was taking < 1/2 the time to review as it did to take. I think this is a good benchmark to use. I would say a set of 5 FL + the AAMC is good, as just testing and testing and testing just does not help much. Efficiency is the goal, not speed, not just quantity.

While your general points are pretty good I'm not sure where I said one question requires hours of analysis. It all varies but for some passages, particularly those where you missed several questions, if you spent 8-10 minutes on it, it might be a good idea to spend twice as much time reviewing or even in some instances 2-3X as much like I was saying. IT depends. For some passages I completely bombed in practice, I might spend 8 minutes in real deal doing it but 30-40 min reviewing it if I was really completely lost. Others I might have gotten a 5/7 on I spend 2-3 minutes reviewing because it was blatantly obvious how the mistake happened and what I need to do to avoid having it happen again.

Setting an arbitrary, I must review for as long as I took it, does no good. Some instances, if you aced the practice test, there isn't a need to spend hours reviewing or close to it. But in an instance like this where you only got 60-70% correct, yes, you better spend a lot of time reviewing those mistakes because that large number of mistakes isn't happening to coincidence.
 
Just to give my 2 cents

I'm not really complaining. In fact, the only reason I'd post such a thing is to seek advice on how to do better next time. Though I did look a lot into various predictors for AAMC FL I can say with confidence seeing my scores for it weren't sufficient to ease on the studying because I felt like I was hitting my target. What I mean is, though I felt like I hit near my goal on the FL, I didn't let go of the gas pedal but kept trucking through material.

I think I may have fallen into the trap of spending too much time on content review. I never really dedicated a large majority of my time to passages which is what I'll change this time around. I may look into more Khan / EK stuff though.

I appreciate all the input you all have given, it's been insightful and comforting to know this was irregular and perhaps just a bit of bad luck + bad study habits. Both of which I hope turn in my favor next time around!
 
While your general points are pretty good I'm not sure where I said one question requires hours of analysis. It all varies but for some passages, particularly those where you missed several questions, if you spent 8-10 minutes on it, it might be a good idea to spend twice as much time reviewing or even in some instances 2-3X as much like I was saying. IT depends. For some passages I completely bombed in practice, I might spend 8 minutes in real deal doing it but 30-40 min reviewing it if I was really completely lost. Others I might have gotten a 5/7 on I spend 2-3 minutes reviewing because it was blatantly obvious how the mistake happened and what I need to do to avoid having it happen again.

Setting an arbitrary, I must review for as long as I took it, does no good. Some instances, if you aced the practice test, there isn't a need to spend hours reviewing or close to it. But in an instance like this where you only got 60-70% correct, yes, you better spend a lot of time reviewing those mistakes because that large number of mistakes isn't happening to coincidence.

Look like we both misread the others' statements. My only concern was your idea that even if one misses more than 1 Q, they should take, as you said, 25-30 minutes reviewing it. To me that will add up to hours of review very quickly. Your further clarification helped me understand you meant it as one possibility.

With my idea of time for review, you misunderstood me. I NEVER said there is a hard and fast minimum or maximum for review time. However, I think one needs a good place to start. What I said was, in the beginning (i.e. where I did not expect to score so hot) I expected to spend about as much time reviewing the exam as I did taking it. Other students who score quite low (< 490) may even take LONGER than the exam time to review. However, often if someone is taking that long to review, something is wrong. If you miss a science concept, unless the explanations are great, (EK were not so hot much of the time, TPR inconsistent, Khans were the worst) you cannot learn much if you missed the sciences. I also found that once I had started scoring well (505+) it was taking me less than 1/2 the time to review than it did to take the exam. In my statements above I meant one can use their review time as another measure of progress, much like % correct. Only this will also tell you how well your thinking is in line with the aamc.

In CARS the right answer to a missed Q doesn't matter as much as HOW you were supposed to arrive at that answer. I guess 40 minutes to review a single passage is not out of the realm of possibility but to me and most people I prepped with and know, it was never that bad. Even the course I took last year our whole class could discuss, answer and review a CARS passage in < 30 minutes. Even assuming you got EVERY Q wrong, if it takes you close to an hour to review the CARS passage and Q you missed, then IMO something is wrong with your strategy, thinking and efficiency. Even 40 minutes to review a single passage and 5-6 Q set might be on the edge of inefficient. You will never see that passage again, and you do not necessarily need to understand every last detail, or every sentence. Just the info that should have led you to the correct answer and/or helped you realize a wrong answer is wrong. Unlike the sciences, you will NEVER see that CARS passage or its content again, nor would you be expected to know if you get any of the Qs correct.

CARS is all about the thought processes so I guess if your really not thinking like the MCAT wants you to, I would avoid getting hung up on a single Q or passage. So, while there is no hard and fast rule for review time, there are clearly amounts that are too short or too long to be of effective use in MCAT prep. Thanks for all of the solid advice I've seen you give. Almost 3k posts since May so I take it this is your full time gig? Have you taken the real MCAT? Which company would you say has the closest exams? I think this would be most important to a re-tester.
 
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