where do we go now?

[Amadeus86]

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Hey guys, I realize this question had been asked before countless times, but through my searches and excursions I found nothing recent (2014-ish) so here we go again
I'm an Egyptian IMG, graduated 2011 from a Medical school in Egypt, finished internship year late 2012, worked a bit in various specialties before settling on Radiodiagnosis, but my choices here are quite narrow, I'm enrolled for a masters degree in radiodiagnosis but the scope for any actual education is quite limited and STINKS of nepotism and favoritism in both training and work opportunities, so as expected I started looking for a shot at proper training and work abroad, I know I'm a bit late, but I just finished my military service and finally cleared my status (and got a passport) last September

the question now is, where do I go? I'm most proficient in English so normally I'd prefer if I could train somewhere where English is a main language, but I keep hearing concerning things about Radiology competitiveness and inaccessibility in English speaking countries, I was then directed to Germany (I have basic German that I can work on) , but now I'm hearing it's not easy to get into Rads in Germany Either.

I'm in dire need for advice, could someone please direct me to where a non EU IMG could go for a good shot at Radio-diagnosis in Today's world? I don't want to walk far down dead end roads you know? What real options do I have?

Thanks in advance!

 

[vm26]

Hey guys, I realize this question had been asked before countless times, but through my searches and excursions I found nothing recent (2014-ish) so here we go again
I'm an Egyptian IMG, graduated 2011 from a Medical school in Egypt, finished internship year late 2012, worked a bit in various specialties before settling on Radiodiagnosis, but my choices here are quite narrow, I'm enrolled for a masters degree in radiodiagnosis but the scope for any actual education is quite limited and STINKS of nepotism and favoritism in both training and work opportunities, so as expected I started looking for a shot at proper training and work abroad, I know I'm a bit late, but I just finished my military service and finally cleared my status (and got a passport) last September

the question now is, where do I go? I'm most proficient in English so normally I'd prefer if I could train somewhere where English is a main language, but I keep hearing concerning things about Radiology competitiveness and inaccessibility in English speaking countries, I was then directed to Germany (I have basic German that I can work on) , but now I'm hearing it's not easy to get into Rads in Germany Either.

I'm in dire need for advice, could someone please direct me to where a non EU IMG could go for a good shot at Radio-diagnosis in Today's world? I don't want to walk far down dead end roads you know? What real options do I have?

Thanks in advance!

Avoid US radiology, supply>>>demand....try Great Britain, apparently there is a radiologist shortage

 

[Amadeus86]

Avoid US radiology, supply>>>demand....try Great Britain, apparently there is a radiologist shortage

UK has a shortage? Funny, this is not what I usually hear, are you sure? I always hear it's saturated

 

[Amadeus86]

come on you guys, I'm in the dark here! 😀

 

[rads321]

Despite a downtrend in applications to radiology over the last 2 or 3 years it still remains competitive. This is especially true for the better programs. It can be really tough for IMGs.

 

[Baller MD]

Despite a downtrend in applications to radiology over the last 2 or 3 years it still remains competitive. This is especially true for the better programs. It can be really tough for IMGs.

Yeah sure it must be tough for IMGs when only 60% of the matched radiologists are American MDs.

 

[Amadeus86]

Yeah sure it must be tough for IMGs when only 60% of the matched radiologists are American MDs.

is that a yes or a no for the US? what about other countries, or is this site mainly about the US?

 

[Salient]

This site is mainly about the US. Also, I have trouble believing that only 60% of matched radiologists are US MDs. Source? I just finished my 10th radiology interview and met, for the first time, my first non-US applicant. And he was from the Caribbean. All the other foreign applicants I've met so far have been at my prelim interviews, and most of those were applying for categorial medicine.

 

[PhillyMed777]

This site is mainly about the US. Also, I have trouble believing that only 60% of matched radiologists are US MDs. Source? I just finished my 10th radiology interview and met, for the first time, my first non-US applicant. And he was from the Caribbean. All the other foreign applicants I've met so far have been at my prelim interviews, and most of those were applying for categorial medicine.

perhaps those 10 programs do not take FMGs (one of those more competitive rads programs)...also, read charting outcomes 2014. It's not made up (i hope)

 

[a runner]

perhaps those 10 programs do not take FMGs (one of those more competitive rads programs)...also, read charting outcomes 2014. It's not made up (i hope)

It's in Data and Results 2014 not charting outcomes and the figure is 67.7% filled by US MDs, when you combine both PGY1 & 2 spots.

Keep in mind also that 74 spots went unfilled in the match (6.5% of spots) and who filled those?

 

[Baller MD]

It's in Data and Results 2014 not charting outcomes and the figure is 67.7% filled by US MDs, when you combine both PGY1 & 2 spots.

Keep in mind also that 74 spots went unfilled in the match (6.5% of spots) and who filled those?

THEY TOOK OUR JERBS - SOUTHPARK

 

[KLPM]

Are you still aiming to be a musician with a medial job on the side? I don't think radiology is really the right specialty for that. Perhaps family practice (or general practice, depending on what your country calls it)?

 

[DavidCz]

Go for Germany. I've come from abroad (EU) and work as a radiologist there myself. To get a job isn't that easy like in internal or surgery, but it's still quite possible. Ofcourse, level of your german must be very good (B2).

Pay obviously isn't that good like in the US, but you can still live very well. I've 31 days holidays / year and don't work more than say, 192 hours / month. I definitely prefer Germany over GB (salary roughly the same, everything else probably better) and there are not many better places to go (Switzerland, maybe Netherlands or scandinavian countries - depends on taste). I don't know about Australia or New Zealand but to get your degree aprooved might be rather difficult there...

 

[Amadeus86]

Are you still aiming to be a musician with a medial job on the side? I don't think radiology is really the right specialty for that. Perhaps family practice (or general practice, depending on what your country calls it)?

Nope, I've grown to be much more realistic since then, that's not the reason I chose Rads tho, I actually enjoyed it. There'll always be room in my heart for music though, and my life whenever possible

 

[bashwell]

I don't know about Australia or New Zealand but to get your degree aprooved might be rather difficult there...

In Australia it's currently highly competitive to get into radiology. So DavidCz is probably right about the difficulty of crossing over. You can either take the generalist or specialist pathway, but I think it might be difficult coming from Egypt.

As for radiology, Australian radiology registrars (which is the Aussie equivalent to US resident) are paid a lot better than US residents. For example, depending on the state you live in, like in WA for example which is one of the higher if not highest paying states, a first year radiology registrar should be making at least around $90k/yr for ~38hrs per week + overtime pay which should easily take you over $100k+, and each year as a registrar salary increases at least ~$10k/yr + overtime).

I don't know the job market quite as well after becoming an attending (or rather Aussie equivalent of an attending), but from what I hear and as far as I can tell radiologists are doing extremely well in Australia.

Australia also has lots of public holidays each year. If I remember right, it was something like 30 public holidays each year, whereas in the US there are something like 20 public holidays each year (although please don't quote me on this).