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GPA (cum) 2.10 (45 credits some F's, D's)
Sci GPA: ?? don't know but failed Bio I, Chem I (2x) not sure i'll get an A on the retake.

I have 2 more years (will be a junior in the fall). I'd like to know what to do so I can come up with a plan. I'm not even going to kid myself and play w/ the whole, "if i get 4.0's straight A's from here on out" game. I'm determined to cut the crap and do what I have to do to get into a post-bacc, masters, SMP, etc.,.

I'm a minority.

so question is:
after I graduating college should I apply for a bost-bacc or masters? right now, i'm considering switching majors from bio to chem. I like it more than bio. if not, i'll just stick w/ bio and graduate.

my concern is that after 6 months i have to pay my loans back (unless i'm continuing school). an informal /unofficial post-bacc wouldn't fall into that category

a MS program, post-bacc, or one of those guaranteed linkage programs would at least offer fin aid and would be considered as continuing education

what should i do. advice appreciated. thanks

-Red sea
 
GPA (cum) 2.10 (45 credits some F's, D's)
Sci GPA: ?? don't know but failed Bio I, Chem I (2x) not sure i'll get an A on the retake.

I have 2 more years (will be a junior in the fall). I'd like to know what to do so I can come up with a plan. I'm not even going to kid myself and play w/ the whole, "if i get 4.0's straight A's from here on out" game. I'm determined to cut the crap and do what I have to do to get into a post-bacc, masters, SMP, etc.,.

I'm a minority.

so question is:
after I graduating college should I apply for a bost-bacc or masters? right now, i'm considering switching majors from bio to chem. I like it more than bio. if not, i'll just stick w/ bio and graduate.

my concern is that after 6 months i have to pay my loans back (unless i'm continuing school). an informal /unofficial post-bacc wouldn't fall into that category

a MS program, post-bacc, or one of those guaranteed linkage programs would at least offer fin aid and would be considered as continuing education

what should i do. advice appreciated. thanks

-Red sea

Just retake all your bad grades.
 
GPA (cum) 2.10 (45 credits some F's, D's)
Sci GPA: ?? don't know but failed Bio I, Chem I (2x) not sure i'll get an A on the retake.

I have 2 more years (will be a junior in the fall). I'd like to know what to do so I can come up with a plan. I'm not even going to kid myself and play w/ the whole, "if i get 4.0's straight A's from here on out" game. I'm determined to cut the crap and do what I have to do to get into a post-bacc, masters, SMP, etc.,.

I'm a minority.

so question is:
after I graduating college should I apply for a bost-bacc or masters? right now, i'm considering switching majors from bio to chem. I like it more than bio. if not, i'll just stick w/ bio and graduate.

my concern is that after 6 months i have to pay my loans back (unless i'm continuing school). an informal /unofficial post-bacc wouldn't fall into that category

a MS program, post-bacc, or one of those guaranteed linkage programs would at least offer fin aid and would be considered as continuing education

what should i do. advice appreciated. thanks

-Red sea

Hmmmmm...this is tough.

Normally, my advice is, retake classes. But you expressed the fact that you have failed several classes, and even chem twice.

This is my harsh/blunt advice. If you fail a class twice and really tried even once, you may not be cut out for the academic challenges of med school. You would waste money in post bacc or SMP, so don't even consider.

You might think about other careers in healthcare with lower academic requirements.

This is coming from a person (me) who has a lower GPA and spent time repairing it.

The main thing here is, HONESTLY determine if you can get almost all A's in all your science classes from here on out. If you realize you can't...thats really OK. Not everyone needs to be a doc, and there are several other great careers.

If you MUST become a doc, you need to quit everything else you're doing, and focus on retaking your failed and bad grade courses. You have 2 years of good work ahead of you. (minimum one FULL year).

And even then, you'll need a Solid MCAT.

Good luck in your decisions!! Either way, Im sure you're a great person so don't get depressed. find your strengths
 
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GPA (cum) 2.10 (45 credits some F's, D's)
Sci GPA: ?? don't know but failed Bio I, Chem I (2x) not sure i'll get an A on the retake.

I have 2 more years (will be a junior in the fall). I'd like to know what to do so I can come up with a plan. I'm not even going to kid myself and play w/ the whole, "if i get 4.0's straight A's from here on out" game. I'm determined to cut the crap and do what I have to do to get into a post-bacc, masters, SMP, etc.,.

I'm a minority.

so question is:
after I graduating college should I apply for a bost-bacc or masters? right now, i'm considering switching majors from bio to chem. I like it more than bio. if not, i'll just stick w/ bio and graduate.

my concern is that after 6 months i have to pay my loans back (unless i'm continuing school). an informal /unofficial post-bacc wouldn't fall into that category

a MS program, post-bacc, or one of those guaranteed linkage programs would at least offer fin aid and would be considered as continuing education

what should i do. advice appreciated. thanks

-Red sea

Hmmmmm...this is tough.

Normally, my advice is, retake classes. But you expressed the fact that you have failed several classes, and even chem twice.

This is my harsh/blunt advice. If you fail a class twice and really tried even once, you may not be cut out for the academic challenges of med school. You would waste money in post bacc or SMP, so don't even consider.

You might think about other careers in healthcare with lower academic requirements.

This is coming from a person (me) who has a lower GPA and spent time repairing it.

The main thing here is, HONESTLY determine if you can get almost all A's in all your science classes from here on out. If you realize you can't...thats really OK. Not everyone needs to be a doc, and there are several other great careers.

If you MUST become a doc, you need to quit everything else you're doing, and focus on retaking your failed and bad grade courses. You have 2 years of good work ahead of you. (minimum one FULL year).

And even then, you'll need a Solid MCAT.

Good luck in your decisions!! Either way, Im sure you're a great person so don't get depressed. find your strengths

OP, I really have to agree with HalfListic, here.

MedPR is also correct in that the first step you can take to remedy your situation is retaking courses. That's just the bottom line, IMHO.

Here's my two cents of constructive criticism:

My biggest concern for you is your performance in basic sciences. All these pre-reqs in bio, chem, physics, and organic chem are weed-out courses. Now, academic setbacks are common and shouldn't discourage someone from dropping their pursuit of becoming a doctor after one or two failed attempts in courses.

In your case, you failed Bio 1 and Chem 1 (twice, even). Thus, I am really wondering why you think switching from biology to chemistry for your major will do you any good. I just don't see it happening, unless you really get your head in the game and succeed in the required chemistry courses and labs. My sister is going through these classes now and failed chem 1 the first go-around. I will tell you what I told her: things generally aren't going to get any easier if you don't have a solid foundation. You need a solid foundation in these courses not only to proceed into upper-level sciences in the respective fields, but also to have a good foundation for the MCAT... which you need to do well on.

I wouldn't waste the money on a post-bacc before exhausting all opportunities to retake these courses in preparation for the MCAT. Regarding these retakes... I know you said you aren't going to kid yourself about getting all As. However, you need to be realistic: you have a 2.1 cGPA right now.... That means your average in any course is not stellar. Maybe you have some other personal issues, I have no idea. In which case, your applications to post-baccs and eventually medical schools will be a great place to detail these issues, if they really do exist. BUT STILL, you need to realize the mathematical fact that getting mostly Bs is just not going to cut it if you want to get well above the 3.0 mark. You really need to make an effort to get mostly As in your retakes, like HalfListic correctly pointed out. If you cannot manage that, but are still set on becoming a doctor, THEN I feel that a post-bacc or SMP might do you good. I just wouldn't waste the money going straight into one, they are expensive. Judging by your concern about loans being due within 6 months of graduation... money seems to be somewhat of a factor. So, why throw more loan money toward a post-bacc/SMP if there is a risk of not even doing well and really crushing your dreams? You can't just do mediocre in post-baccs or SMPs, either.

Sorry if I sounded harsh, but I don't think switching from biology to chemistry is going to do you any good unless you know in your heart that you will do better. If you think you can, more power to you... I hope you succeed. In the end I cant, and I won't, tell you what to do with your life, it's your decision. But I hope that my remarks made some sense, as they come with good intentions.

Good luck!!
 
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I think a good question to address is why are you failing these courses? Are there outside circumstances distracting you? Are the classes too challenging? Bad study habits?
I think addressing this question is a step toward figuring out how to proceed.
 
I think a good question to address is why are you failing these courses? Are there outside circumstances distracting you? Are the classes too challenging? Bad study habits?
I think addressing this question is a step toward figuring out how to proceed.

👍 Yes, ABSOLUTELY. Great point.

I forgot to mention this. Instead I honed in too much on the switching from biology to chemistry.
 
I think you need to really as many have said, dig deep to find why you're not succeeding in these classes. Maybe a non-previously diagnosed learning disorder? New more time in a testing setting? Etc.
However if you're trying your hardest, studying endlessly and simply not grasping the material well, then maybe it may be time to consider an alternative career outside of healthcare. We all have strengths and weaknesses, find yours and try to take the route of least resistance.
 
GPA (cum) 2.10 (45 credits some F's, D's)
Sci GPA: ?? don't know but failed Bio I, Chem I (2x) not sure i'll get an A on the retake.

I have 2 more years (will be a junior in the fall). I'd like to know what to do so I can come up with a plan. I'm not even going to kid myself and play w/ the whole, "if i get 4.0's straight A's from here on out" game. I'm determined to cut the crap and do what I have to do to get into a post-bacc, masters, SMP, etc.,.

I'm a minority.

so question is:
after I graduating college should I apply for a bost-bacc or masters? right now, i'm considering switching majors from bio to chem. I like it more than bio. if not, i'll just stick w/ bio and graduate.

my concern is that after 6 months i have to pay my loans back (unless i'm continuing school). an informal /unofficial post-bacc wouldn't fall into that category

a MS program, post-bacc, or one of those guaranteed linkage programs would at least offer fin aid and would be considered as continuing education

what should i do. advice appreciated. thanks

-Red sea

Great advice everyone. I completely agree with everyone. Halflistic made a great point. Be honest and realistic with yourself. If you really can't do, nothing wrong with it.
 
Yeah at this point with a 2.1 GPA........ If you really think you want it you need to prove it.

1) Stay in your UG until you retake and get at least Bs in every class you failed.
2) Then go to a Community college until your GPA is above a 3.0
3) Take MCAT and try to get a plus 30 score. ( However a 26 will do)
4) Apply to masters programs with linkage to good medical schools you are interested in.
5) Apply to medical schools and best of luck.

If you can pull off every single one of these steps you can get into medical school. Don't play the minority card, it will not help you. It only means you have two work twice as hard to get anywhere. Life sucks sometimes and waking up to this can be to much for people. I will be honest, you will find it much easier to walk away and may even be happier. The best people that go into medicine do it because it is the only thing they can be happy doing. If that is you then you can figure out why you have such trouble and will have no problem getting through all of these steps.
 
GPA (cum) 2.10 (45 credits some F's, D's)
Sci GPA: ?? don't know but failed Bio I, Chem I (2x) not sure i'll get an A on the retake.

I have 2 more years (will be a junior in the fall). I'd like to know what to do so I can come up with a plan. I'm not even going to kid myself and play w/ the whole, "if i get 4.0's straight A's from here on out" game. I'm determined to cut the crap and do what I have to do to get into a post-bacc, masters, SMP, etc.,.

I'm a minority.

so question is:
after I graduating college should I apply for a bost-bacc or masters? right now, i'm considering switching majors from bio to chem. I like it more than bio. if not, i'll just stick w/ bio and graduate.

my concern is that after 6 months i have to pay my loans back (unless i'm continuing school). an informal /unofficial post-bacc wouldn't fall into that category

a MS program, post-bacc, or one of those guaranteed linkage programs would at least offer fin aid and would be considered as continuing education

what should i do. advice appreciated. thanks

-Red sea


getting into a competitive linkage program with a 2.10 may be super challenging. There are some that are designed for minorities with low stats that need a second chance but I feel like even these are highly competitive and you may have a tough time getting into one of those...

Failing chem 1 twice though, what happened there? Did you honestly try hard both times? you need to look at that.

Retaking classes to get you to at least a 3.0 in both science and cum combined with a good mcat and urm status may get you in DO though.
 
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thanks for the feedback, guys. it seems the general concern all if you had was, whether I'm cut out for the sciences considering i failed it twice. well, both times that i took it it was the same foolishness of not going to class, missing exams n quizzes, not studying, leaving exams blank cause I had no clue (didnt study). the second time i took chem, i started out doing well and was pulling a B+ at midterms, but after that the foolishness of skipping class and not studying started again. and it's been the same way w/ my other classes that I didint do so well in. I slept, didint do homework, didint study for tests etc., so I wouldn't say whether I'm cut out for the sciences or not because the lack of effort I'm putting in is a major factor for the low grades. Not trying to sound like, "I'm smart I can get 4.0's but in jut lazy". again I don't know if I would get 4.0's or not but if I tried really hard I feel that my grades wouldn't be this low. so that's the story behind the low grades. Too much time chasing girls downtown n partyin n sleeping and not enough time with the books. I feel that I'm starting to mature now and I'm trying to finish well w/ the 2 years remaining. I'm retaking chem I right now for the summer n I'll take Chem II the next session.

So basically you guys are advising that I take no post-bacc or masters but just retake failed courses?
 
All I can say is that you need to build up a good solid work ethic. Medical school is going to be you constantly studying and needing to put all of your effort into doing well in your classes and extremely well on your boards. Generally if you are willing to put in the time, then proceed with a solid plan of retaking all the classes you failed and applying DO, if not then it is time you reconsider whether even college is for you as if you continue down this path you're bound to end up being dismissed.
 
thanks for the feedback, guys. it seems the general concern all if you had was, whether I'm cut out for the sciences considering i failed it twice. well, both times that i took it it was the same foolishness of not going to class, missing exams n quizzes, not studying, leaving exams blank cause I had no clue (didnt study). the second time i took chem, i started out doing well and was pulling a B+ at midterms, but after that the foolishness of skipping class and not studying started again. and it's been the same way w/ my other classes that I didint do so well in. I slept, didint do homework, didint study for tests etc., so I wouldn't say whether I'm cut out for the sciences or not because the lack of effort I'm putting in is a major factor for the low grades. Not trying to sound like, "I'm smart I can get 4.0's but in jut lazy". again I don't know if I would get 4.0's or not but if I tried really hard I feel that my grades wouldn't be this low. so that's the story behind the low grades. Too much time chasing girls downtown n partyin n sleeping and not enough time with the books. I feel that I'm starting to mature now and I'm trying to finish well w/ the 2 years remaining. I'm retaking chem I right now for the summer n I'll take Chem II the next session.

So basically you guys are advising that I take no post-bacc or masters but just retake failed courses?

If DO is what you want, focus on retaking all your F's/D's/C's. Make A's on them. Your GPA will increase a lot. Once its above 3.0, start preparing for the MCAT and do EC.
 
thanks for the feedback, guys. it seems the general concern all if you had was, whether I'm cut out for the sciences considering i failed it twice. well, both times that i took it it was the same foolishness of not going to class, missing exams n quizzes, not studying, leaving exams blank cause I had no clue (didnt study). the second time i took chem, i started out doing well and was pulling a B+ at midterms, but after that the foolishness of skipping class and not studying started again. and it's been the same way w/ my other classes that I didint do so well in. I slept, didint do homework, didint study for tests etc., so I wouldn't say whether I'm cut out for the sciences or not because the lack of effort I'm putting in is a major factor for the low grades. Not trying to sound like, "I'm smart I can get 4.0's but in jut lazy". again I don't know if I would get 4.0's or not but if I tried really hard I feel that my grades wouldn't be this low. so that's the story behind the low grades. Too much time chasing girls downtown n partyin n sleeping and not enough time with the books. I feel that I'm starting to mature now and I'm trying to finish well w/ the 2 years remaining. I'm retaking chem I right now for the summer n I'll take Chem II the next session.

So basically you guys are advising that I take no post-bacc or masters but just retake failed courses?

In a nut shell, yes. But, realize that the hole you put yourself in can only be remedied by getting mostly As. Also, think about changing your major to something like psychology or something non-science. It could do you some good since science has not been your forte by any means. Plus, nobody says you have to major in bio, chem, biochem, or any other science.
 
You can do it but your transcripts need a MAJOR overhaul. You need to rock school from here on out and retake ALL the courses you failed. That coupled with a great MCAT will hopefully show adcoms that you're serious...
 
In a nut shell, yes. But, realize that the hole you put yourself in can only be remedied by getting mostly As. Also, think about changing your major to something like psychology or something non-science. It could do you some good since science has not been your forte by any means. Plus, nobody says you have to major in bio, chem, biochem, or any other science.

This will be slightly helpful as it is better to start out with a smaller load than with a huge load as you will likely be demanded with a bio major.
 
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