Which DO EM residencies did not interview unless you've rotated there?

[discharged]

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I've seen bits and pieces there, but it would be really helpful for me, as well as other colleagues, if we had a heads-up in order to select wisely.

I have an audition set up for OKC, but I am also contemplating on doing it at St. Barnabas instead. I'm from the south and understand that you have to do a rotation to get interviewed.. but I'm torn between the two because I might want to live in NYC.. Any suggestions?

My board score is avg at 525 but I have stellar clinical grades so far.. I guess the dilemma boils down to which place I would have a better chance at getting a residency spot! Any suggestions? Thanks a bunch!

 

[EM_Rebuilder]

Away rotation outside of your 'homeland' may help you become recognize to the region you rotated at.

If you were born in Dallas, TX, went to undergrad in Dallas, TX and went to medical school in Dallas, TX.... even with perfect board scores (I know its a typo above, but 525 is well about average.. my bad, was referring to the COMLEX )...say you REALLY wanted to go somewhere in Washington State. Anybody reviewing your application is going to be like... "This joker has done everything in Dallas, TX so he probably wants to stay in Texas".... and thus you might be given an interview spot.

Had you rotated in Oregan... then they see you are at least interested in the NW enough that you rotated nearby.

So yes, if you are born/raised/educated in the south... I think an away rotation regionally to where maybe you are really wanting to go...may certainly help you land a few interviews in taht region.

Good luck.

 

[Redrox]

I've seen bits and pieces there, but it would be really helpful for me, as well as other colleagues, if we had a heads-up in order to select wisely.

I have an audition set up for OKC, but I am also contemplating on doing it at St. Barnabas instead. I'm from the south and understand that you have to do a rotation to get interviewed.. but I'm torn between the two because I might want to live in NYC.. Any suggestions?

I got an interview at Barnabas without an audition rotation or local ties, FWIW

 

[Apollyon]

Away rotation outside of your 'homeland' may help you become recognize to the region you rotated at.

If you were born in Dallas, TX, went to undergrad in Dallas, TX and went to medical school in Dallas, TX.... even with perfect board scores (I know its a typo above, but 525 is well about average 🙂 )...say you REALLY wanted to go somewhere in Washington State. Anybody reviewing your application is going to be like... "This joker has done everything in Dallas, TX so he probably wants to stay in Texas".... and thus you might be given an interview spot.

Had you rotated in Oregan... then they see you are at least interested in the NW enough that you rotated nearby.

So yes, if you are born/raised/educated in the south... I think an away rotation regionally to where maybe you are really wanting to go...may certainly help you land a few interviews in taht region.

Good luck.

I think I can confidently state that the dude's a DO candidate (not 250+ on Step I and II). Likewise, St. Barnabas is a DO residency (unless it has become dual-accredited in the recent past).

 

[H2DO]

interviews i got without rotating
St Barnabas
Sparrow Hospital
Lakeland in MI
St Joseph-Oakland in MI
Henry Ford Macomb-in MI
Albert Einstein in PA
St Joseph's in NJ
Genesys in MI

Your score isn't bad. I am not sure what the avg is for EM but I know a lot of people with 500 or below that matched this year. Pick 3-4 of your top spots and rotate there without worrying about if your stats are up to par. In my experience, rotating at a spot has a lot of weight

 

[H2DO]

ps: programs understand that there are not a lot of options for those from the south so as long as you let them know that you are okay with moving, i don't think the location will make a big difference.

 

[discharged]

thanks for all of your input so far! if others could chime in on places that interviewed/did not without a rotation, that would be dandy!

 

[Hamhock]

I am not a DO, so my opinion counts for even less than it usually does, but:

This is yet another messed up part of the "DO residency thing".

1. No interview or match unless you rotate?

2. DOs are equivalent to MDs, but MDs can't attend DO residencies?

I am not qualified for these residencies, but I wouldn't be interested even if I was. These places are not interested in getting the best residents who are the best fit for their program.

HH

 

[Tiger10]

I got interviews without rotating at:
Sparrow
Henry Ford Wyandotte
St. Michael's
St. Joseph's
UMDNJ (who so kindly emailed to tell me they weren't ranking me...)
St. Barnabas
Good Samaritan
St. Luke's
Conemaugh
Aria

A friend also got one from Genesys without rotating. Didn't apply to OH (aside from Doctor's) or OK. Got love from everywhere in MI I applied other than Genesys. Not sure if it matters, but I was from PCOM and did all of my EM rotations in PA.

 

[TBS12]

I am not a DO, so my opinion counts for even less than it usually does, but:

This is yet another messed up part of the "DO residency thing".

1. No interview or match unless you rotate?

2. DOs are equivalent to MDs, but MDs can't attend DO residencies?

I am not qualified for these residencies, but I wouldn't be interested even if I was. These places are not interested in getting the best residents who are the best fit for their program.

HH

Yet another personal opinion on SDN that was not asked for and didn't even make sense. Thanks for the relevant input to the discussion, and so profoundly put. My favorite part was the "DO residency thing."

 

[pianoman511]

I am not a DO, so my opinion counts for even less than it usually does, but:

This is yet another messed up part of the "DO residency thing".

1. No interview or match unless you rotate?

2. DOs are equivalent to MDs, but MDs can't attend DO residencies?

I am not qualified for these residencies, but I wouldn't be interested even if I was. These places are not interested in getting the best residents who are the best fit for their program.

HH

To address #1 - They are actually more interested in getting the best residents who are the best fit because they want to see how these people work for an entire month. Often since DO programs are smaller and only choose around 4 residents per class they would probably want to get to know their applicants better. My guess is that its easier to figure out who is the "best fit" after rotating with an applicant for a month vs. meeting them once on interview day.

#2 - as has been discussed to death, holdover from the old school but also a kernel of truth. Since DO students spend a fairly good amount of time on OMM in addition to all of the curriculum taught in MD schools there would need to be an equivalent training for MD students to be "qualified" for DO residencies (despite the fact that many probably don't have too much OMM in their program - but its still a requirement for DO residencies to include it somehow).

 

[danzman]

I have stated it in other threads, but for the sake of completion...

Both OK programs demand a rotation and really seem to like ties to their state. The MO program is the same. I was told that both FL programs are like this but I did not apply to either of them.

 

[DrMom]

The Oklahoma State program has had many residents that aren't from the region. Needing to rotate is true, though. They want to see how you work and get along with those in the program.