Beyond my own school’s match list (CCOM), it’s difficult to know how the other schools fare. Any ideas?
Which DO schools with best match list?
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I would say most are pretty balanced except a few that are heavy majority IM/FM
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Trying to interpret a match list is like trying to interpret one of these:
If you insist, my rule of thumb is the ratio of Primary Care vs specialties, and the number of people getting into university hospitals vs community programs. And yes, I know that there is a huge overlap in quality, and even Ivy league schools can have bad university hospital programs. This is why you need to ask attendings and residents in specific fields about the quality of individual programs.
What it boils down to is if the grad gets their top choice, then it's a good program, even if it's at Joe's Hospital and Clam Shack.
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Match list is a stupid way to compare schools.
Put it this way: Touro NY had what was probably the “strongest” match list of 2015. A DO school matching people to ACGME Ortho, RadOnc, and Derm in the same year was basically unheard of. Now SDN rips on them nonstop. Even goro, the closest thing we have to a paragon of sage advice, says “I can’t recommend Touro NY.” I don’t agree, but still. Also, match lists are extremely variable year to year.
Put it this way: Touro NY had what was probably the “strongest” match list of 2015. A DO school matching people to ACGME Ortho, RadOnc, and Derm in the same year was basically unheard of. Now SDN rips on them nonstop. Even goro, the closest thing we have to a paragon of sage advice, says “I can’t recommend Touro NY.” I don’t agree, but still. Also, match lists are extremely variable year to year.
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Trying to interpret a match list is like trying to interpret one of these:
If you insist, my rule of thumb is the ratio of Primary Care vs specialties, and the number of people getting into university hospitals vs community programs. And yes, I know that there is a huge overlap in quality, and even Ivy league schools can have bad university hospital programs. This is why you need to ask attendings and residents in specific fields about the quality of individual programs.
What it boils down to is if the grad gets their top choice, then it's a good program, even if it's at Joe's Hospital and Clam Shack.
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LUCOM is the best
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comparable to other DO schools, DO schools are lumped all together when it comes to post grad recruitment/training the same way the carribean is, there is no "top tier" Caribbean or DO, just Caribbean or DO.
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Quick note: I’m a current 4th year who has plenty of time in my hand as well as stress from this residency cycle. I’m blessed to have enough interviews but the process remains a challenging one. Overall, I feel happy with my school. But along the trails, I met other DO applicants who does not share the same sentiment toward their schools and express lack of supports from their institutions. Obviously, as pointed out by many of you, getting matched is a highly individualized ordeal, no doubt about that. But one cannot disregard the impact, however minute, from their schools. Anyhow, the purpose of me creating this thread is to creep on other school’s match list. That’s all.
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The only impact I have seen is how much the school tries to hinder its students from reaching their full potential by shoving down their throat 1) OMM, 2) high contact hours, 3) mandatory attendance, 4) low levels of research opportunities and 5) low amount of elective rotations. With that said RVU has had some of the best match lists in both quality of programs and highly competitive residencies. However, the problem with this school is the amount of contact hours and time outside class. These people have great scores and the school push their students to study for the USMLE. It is at the cost of being a able to do research. If you have the knowledge to study correctly for the USMLE and went to a school with low contact hours, you could not only do well on the USMLE but also have time to do the research need to boost your application further.
Unfortunately, these issues at the basic science level are not discuss enough so prospective applicants have no idea what they are getting themselves into when picking a school. The issues of clinical rotations has been spoken of ad nauseam and the only thing one has control of is knowing how long these rotations have been put in place and whether they have residencies associated with them. Its a mess of problems all around.
With that said, again, my favorite list consistently has been RVU by far.
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DO schools are rigged from Day 1 to push you to primary care. Well, the reason for that is that instead of the 4 hrs of OMM lab per week, imagine the # of pubs that you could be publishing with those hours being used for research, in order to boost your residency CV instead of some nonsense junk that 90% of the students will fake it until they make it.
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Lots of impressive candidates coming out of Lake Erie College of Medicine from what I’ve seen.
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Be glad that you only have OMM to worry about detracting from your board studies and research pubs. In my school, at least OMM is 2.5 hours at most per week. But instead, they spent 80% of our second year teaching us clinical stuff from 3rd/4th year instead of prepping us, or rather, giving us time to prep for the boards, or even teaching us enough 2nd year material to even understand what is going on with 3rd/4th year crap.
It's why people at my school unanimously advised to do as well as you can during the fall semester so that you can fail the exams in spring semester and focus on your boards.
In fact, regarding this topic, rather than asking which school provides the best match list, you should be asking which school does a good job preparing you for boards, as that is what helps you get a good match in the first place.
So you're saying we met.
There is no such thing as a "good DO match list". So it's ridiculous to compare them.
DOs who match into competitive specialties at competitive places are not riding on the name of their DO institution to get there. No one cares, and no one ranks DO schools. In reality, what gets a couple of DOs per year from any DO school into a competitive program is a combination of strong scores, research, and solid connections. A person matching, for example, into a competitive Ophtho program or competitive Ortho program did that by himself - there is no credit due to the school.
If you end up at a DO school, you have to make sure you get your hands on a great mentor with strong connections to the academic ACGME world. Otherwise, you're at a huge disadvantage, regardless of whether you go to KCUMB/CCOM/PCOM or some random place like LUCOM (maybe that's an extreme comparison, but just illustrating the point). Don't believe for a second that any particular DO school will make you a competitive applicant any more than the others.
DOs who match into competitive specialties at competitive places are not riding on the name of their DO institution to get there. No one cares, and no one ranks DO schools. In reality, what gets a couple of DOs per year from any DO school into a competitive program is a combination of strong scores, research, and solid connections. A person matching, for example, into a competitive Ophtho program or competitive Ortho program did that by himself - there is no credit due to the school.
If you end up at a DO school, you have to make sure you get your hands on a great mentor with strong connections to the academic ACGME world. Otherwise, you're at a huge disadvantage, regardless of whether you go to KCUMB/CCOM/PCOM or some random place like LUCOM (maybe that's an extreme comparison, but just illustrating the point). Don't believe for a second that any particular DO school will make you a competitive applicant any more than the others.
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I half agree with this. It depends on how deeply you're defining the school helping you be more competitive. In terms of prestige, yes, one DO school has no advantage over another. But that doesn't mean one school can't help you land a match better than another.
Like I said in my previous post, it depends on how the school works. Just taking one facet. One of the most important things for a med student, if not THE most important thing, is board scores. If one school focuses on preparing you for boards better than another, that's one facet in how a school helps you be more competitive than another.
ACGME program directors for the most part don't know anything about DO schools, nor do they care whether someone went to KCUMB/CCOM/PCOM vs. a new/unknown school... because to them, they're all unknown and shady territory. Even low tier MD schools fall into this category, though DOs are in a much worse spot. I agree that some DO schools might prepare better academically for the boards than others, but for the most part, DO schools are full of faculty that have no clue how to train students for the USMLE, so you're basically on your own.
The truth of the matter is, unless a DO student has great mentorship or connections, on top of having good scores and research, it's going to be near impossible for him to get that super competitive spot. It's a sad reality, but that's just life. We shouldn't pretend that it is any different. In recent years we have seen some pretty good matches, so maybe things will slowly change.
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To avoid starting a new thread, I decided to ask my questions here.
Where is the 2017 match lists thread?
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Where is the 2017 match lists thread?
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It has disappeared into the deep web, where the likes of us cannot google search it...
(... yes, I've tried)
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that's unfortunate. kinda like erasing part of history...
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I actually looked for it to try and figure out where my school had matched people prior, but it was gone. Sad indeed, I know it got way off track but it still had some use. Wonder if SDN was given 'pressure' by schools to drop it.
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I will get it created this week.
