Which medical schools integrate AI into their hospital's healthcare?

[sarcasmrules]

I'm curious which schools use AI for healthcare that allow students to experience first-hand the use of AI in patient care during their clinical years.

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[Mr.Smile12]

Medical schools also want to know how hospitals are integrating AI. (The tail does not wag the dog.)

We want to know too. New HPSA/SDN survey to come...

 

[sarcasmrules]

Medical schools also want to know how hospitals are integrating AI. (The tail does not wag the dog.)

We want to know too. New HPSA/SDN survey to come...

Wouldn't they know how their affiliate hospitals are using AI? Like if UCI Medical Center uses AI, wouldn't UCI know how?

 

[Mr.Smile12]

Wouldn't they know how their affiliate hospitals are using AI? Like if UCI Medical Center uses AI, wouldn't UCI know how?

First off, define "they."

Second, it depends on the relationship with the affiliate hospitals. Everyone is trying to figure it out.

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[sarcasmrules]

First off, define "they."

Second, it depends on the relationship with the affiliate hospitals. Everyone is trying to figure it out.

#ACGME2024 Session Summary: The Generative AI Revolution and Innovations and Opportunities in Medical Education

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Medical schools. My apologies.

So if you know a hospital does integrate AI and you know a medical school sends students there for rotation, you can get an AI integrated curriculum for said school during your clinical years?

 

[Mr.Smile12]

Medical schools. My apologies.

So if you know a hospital does integrate AI and you know a medical school sends students there for rotation, you can get an AI integrated curriculum for said school during your clinical years?

There are many people in "medical school." The Dean has a certain level of insight, but might not have as much as those on the ground developing curricula/courses/experiences. There are academic deans and clinical deans, and the two don't always talk to each other.

Also, I think you are assuming a relationship between hospitals and medical schools that might not be a reality. For example, some sites may not have the technology that involves AI while other sites are for-profit-esque hospitals that are early adopters... but they may not have implemented it for all the departments yet. Also, some schools send students to the VA hospitals, and I don't think the VA takes any "orders" from medical schools about anything. 🙂

As the transcript I posted suggests, I think the first involvement of AI would be for administrative tasks, such as documenting, scribing, and streamlining processes. I'm not sure we are at the point of "read 500 patient cases and find the similarities" level of confidence without some level of regulation and oversight, but who knows. The regulation of AI usage needs to be hashed out, including at the Congressional level IMO.

AAMC and AACOM just published UME competencies, and I'm not sure how much AI is covered (I have yet to read it all).

UME Competencies AAMC | AACOM | ACGME

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[sarcasmrules]

There are many people in "medical school." The Dean has a certain level of insight, but might not have as much as those on the ground developing curricula/courses/experiences. There are academic deans and clinical deans, and the two don't always talk to each other.

Also, I think you are assuming a relationship between hospitals and medical schools that might not be a reality. For example, some sites may not have the technology that involves AI while other sites are for-profit-esque hospitals that are early adopters... but they may not have implemented it for all the departments yet. Also, some schools send students to the VA hospitals, and I don't think the VA takes any "orders" from medical schools about anything. 🙂

I see, thanks for the insight!

As the transcript I posted suggests, I think the first involvement of AI would be for administrative tasks, such as documenting, scribing, and streamlining processes. I'm not sure we are at the point of "read 500 patient cases and find the similarities" level of confidence without some level of regulation and oversight, but who knows. The regulation of AI usage needs to be hashed out, including at the Congressional level IMO.

I will say this, the "read 500 patient cases and find the similarities" is a lot closer than you think. ChatGPT started 4 years ago and any academic who's used it knows it yields non-existent sources and can act like a crackhead for specialized use. It was used to play against StockFish, the best chess engine and the result was hilarious. Here's the video for your amusement. However, 2 years later, they released a search engine AI called Perplexity, which is great for finding peer-reviewed studies. Recently, a new AI for infectious disease doctors designed to maximize antibiotic efficacy and combat the rise of antimicrobial resistance called pRXcision was released.

I also attend AI healthcare conferences and I can confidently say it is almost impossible to overestimate the rate of AI advancements in medicine. You so much as blink and AI will be all over medicine before you even realize it.

Likewise, I wouldn't be surprised if more AIs designed specifically for healthcare popped up by the time I'm in my clinical rotations in 2.5 years (hopefully).

 

[Mr.Smile12]

I will say this, the "read 500 patient cases and find the similarities" is a lot closer than you think. ChatGPT started 4 years ago and any academic who's used it knows it yields non-existent sources and can act like a crackhead for specialized use. It was used to play against StockFish, the best chess engine and the result was hilarious. Here's the video for your amusement. However, 2 years later, they released a search engine AI called Perplexity, which is great for finding peer-reviewed studies. Recently, a new AI for infectious disease doctors designed to maximize antibiotic efficacy and combat the rise of antimicrobial resistance called pRXcision was released.

I also attend AI healthcare conferences and I can confidently say it is almost impossible to overestimate the rate of AI advancements in medicine. You so much as blink and AI will be all over medicine before you even realize it.

Likewise, I wouldn't be surprised if more AIs designed specifically for healthcare popped up by the time I'm in my clinical rotations in 2.5 years (hopefully).

I don't doubt that a lot is happening since I don't attend those conferences. 🙂 AI is so much more than just ChatGPT (as you know), and I also am sure there will be more AI programs in the next year than last. On the consumer side, AI tools already inhabit the newest cell phones and health tech devices (I've got one on order for Christmas/Hannukah/New Years), much less other consumer devices to come (smart homes, cars, etc.). Integration is likely here, but it has been happening since Alexa hit the scene (from a different innovation conference I did attend).

UMich has its own LLM, and I think someone (medical schools or consortium therein) may also develop a similar environment for students to safely use for training purposes. So to the original question, be patient... 🙂 For others who attended the November AAMC meeting, spill any tea you have. 🙂

For those of us who been in the game (or watched it) for a couple of decades, remember the buzz about integrating iPads into medical education? I still remember when it was a huge deal with each student in the class got a Palm Pilot or a Blackberry. Or even a laptop. At that time, a few schools like to tout their tech "innovations" in their admissions materials, so I'm waiting for that to happen... probably in 2.5 years (as you mention). UC Irvine particularly jumped head first into the Apple universe back then IIRC.

 

[sarcasmrules]

I don't doubt that a lot is happening since I don't attend those conferences. 🙂 AI is so much more than just ChatGPT (as you know), and I also am sure there will be more AI programs in the next year than last. On the consumer side, AI tools already inhabit the newest cell phones and health tech devices (I've got one on order for Christmas/Hannukah/New Years), much less other consumer devices to come (smart homes, cars, etc.). Integration is likely here, but it has been happening since Alexa hit the scene (from a different innovation conference I did attend).

UMich has its own LLM, and I think someone (medical schools or consortium therein) may also develop a similar environment for students to safely use for training purposes. So to the original question, be patient... 🙂 For others who attended the November AAMC meeting, spill any tea you have. 🙂

For those of us who been in the game (or watched it) for a couple of decades, remember the buzz about integrating iPads into medical education? I still remember when it was a huge deal with each student in the class got a Palm Pilot or a Blackberry. Or even a laptop. At that time, a few schools like to tout their tech "innovations" in their admissions materials, so I'm waiting for that to happen... probably in 2.5 years (as you mention). UC Irvine particularly jumped head first into the Apple universe back then IIRC.

I'll put UCI as one of my top schools then. Thanks!

 

[wysdoc]

This school is going to start a dual degree MD/MSAI Program | Long School of Medicine

Mostly who's using AI already are the health insurance companies, to deny claims a human has never assessed.
They count on many doctor's offices not appealing the denial 😡

 

[sarcasmrules]

This school is going to start a dual degree MD/MSAI Program | Long School of Medicine

Mostly who's using AI already are the health insurance companies, to deny claims a human has never assessed.
They count on many doctor's offices not appealing the denial 😡

I'm surprised it took this long for a CEO to get killed. But this will start a big movement for sure. Let's hope it doesn't die out.

 

[wysdoc]

I'm surprised it took this long for a CEO to get killed. But this will start a big movement for sure. Let's hope it doesn't die out.

I wasn’t expecting this to turn into another thread about the CEO murder so let’s keep it on the topic of AI.
I think AI has a way to go before being useful in patent care directly, but it has been helpful in searching for patterns in protein synthesis and such

 

[sarcasmrules]

I wasn’t expecting this to turn into another thread about the CEO murder so let’s keep it on the topic of AI.
I think AI has a way to go before being useful in patent care directly, but it has been helpful in searching for patterns in protein synthesis and such

I present pRXcision.

Honestly..... I would argue ChatGPT and Perplexity could be used in direct patient care IF you have the prompt engineering skills to use them. I've been playing with Perplexity every single day for the last 3 months so I'm fully aware of its potential. I just haven't had a chance to apply it to patient care for obvious reasons. But I believe some have begun using them to great results. I heard a story of a mother who used ChatGPT to find a tricky diagnosis her son's doctors missed.

 

[stew_md]

Hackensack Meridian Health is one hospital system that I'm aware of incorporating AI into its workflows.

Hackensack Meridian Health And Google Expand Relationship To Improve Patient Care

Hackensack Meridian Health and Google announced the two organizations are expanding their relationship to improve patient care. Hackensack Meridian Health recently migrated to Google Workspace

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[AsclepiusAdvisingLLC]

I'm curious which schools use AI for healthcare that allow students to experience first-hand the use of AI in patient care during their clinical years.

This is a great question! There's actually a few programs that are trying to integrate AI into the learning experience and/or allowing future doctors to study AI tools in medicine.

NYU Grossman is using AI for learning aids. Harvard is looking to incorporate into something that M3s and above can take courses in. There are other programs adding AI courses into their curriculums.

We've worked with someone who is going to a top residency and AI in EM is something he's already talking to his faculty about and planning research for. It's a very exciting field bringing up students who've been failed by prior methods and bringing in some unique people.

It's cool! That being said, make decision about where you want to go accounting for patient population and other aspects outside of just AI. In the next few years, AI may very well be a relatively common M3+ curriculum component.

 

[sarcasmrules]

This is a great question! There's actually a few programs that are trying to integrate AI into the learning experience and/or allowing future doctors to study AI tools in medicine.

NYU Grossman is using AI for learning aids. Harvard is looking to incorporate into something that M3s and above can take courses in. There are other programs adding AI courses into their curriculums.

We've worked with someone who is going to a top residency and AI in EM is something he's already talking to his faculty about and planning research for. It's a very exciting field bringing up students who've been failed by prior methods and bringing in some unique people.

It's cool! That being said, make decision about where you want to go accounting for patient population and other aspects outside of just AI. In the next few years, AI may very well be a relatively common M3+ curriculum component.

I struggled with anatomy practicums because rote memorization isn't my strong suit. I used it to find some mnemonics and found some useful ones. I find dirty and vulgar ones are the best to remember so I asked it to find one such mnemonics for the wrist bones and got Some Lovers Try Positions That They Cannot Handle. So yeah, definitely using it as a study tool

 

[AsclepiusAdvisingLLC]

I struggled with anatomy practicums because rote memorization isn't my strong suit. I used it to find some mnemonics and found some useful ones. I find dirty and vulgar ones are the best to remember so I asked it to find one such mnemonics for the wrist bones and got Some Lovers Try Positions That They Cannot Handle. So yeah, definitely using it as a study tool

You're not alone in dirty and vulgar mnemonics 🙂 If memory serves, the usage of mnemonic techniques in the middle ages was, for a period, forbidden because of people doing dirty ones to remember things.