Why does AAMC take 1 month to process your scores? What is REALLY going on?

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I really don't understand why it takes them so long? Do you think that they may be looking at everybody's scores individually, and assigning them a score that resembles their AAMC practice tests averages for example? An inside job??? A means to make more money?? Why does it take them one month? I don't understand....

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a cool thing called a bell curve and the time it takes for some english phd students to grade thousands of essays

Why couldn't they just electronically generate a bell curve the following day with the results, and then give us the writing results when they are available?
 
Cause they'd like to see us sweat it out and hope that within that month they make some money from people who panic and sign up to take the MCAT again.
 
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Get used to the waiting...

AMCAS and AACOMAS application open date...
Waiting to hear back to get secondaries...
Waiting for interview...
Waiting to hear back from interview...
Waitlisted...
May 15th...
waitlist movement...
medschool (not so much waiting, but the time spent)

Then I can imagine the process repeats with residency application, interview, the match, the scramble...

Learn patience now young one.

dsoz
 
a cool thing called a bell curve and the time it takes for some english phd students to grade thousands of essays

there is not bell curve, it's preset.

I think they use every test as a means to collect data for future tests and to grade our stupid essays. Thats why it takes so long.
 
I really don't understand why it takes them so long? Do you think that they may be looking at everybody's scores individually, and assigning them a score that resembles their AAMC practice tests averages for example? An inside job??? A means to make more money?? Why does it take them one month? I don't understand....
How would they know what one's AAMC practice test averages were? :laugh:
a cool thing called a bell curve and the time it takes for some english phd students to grade thousands of essays
ColeSmalls is right, the curve is preset.
 
The majority of it I'm sure is verification of scores and essay grading. The AAMC said they were already planning on cutting the wait period in half soon, which likely means when the WS is scrapped.
 
does it really matter?

if you're waiting for your score, RELAX!

if you're waiting to take it, STUDY!

if you're done, WHO CARES?

standardized tests suck..
 
Curve was predetermined, so they aren't using the time to generate one. They just want us to suffer.
 
The majority of it I'm sure is verification of scores and essay grading. The AAMC said they were already planning on cutting the wait period in half soon, which likely means when the WS is scrapped.

I think the WS is graded by the computer...as long as you have certain 'keywords' you are good to go...
 
The GRE gives you your score instantly, and then mails you percentiles later. AAMC could do the exact same thing, and give you your PS, BS, and VR scores instantly. Personally I am convinced they have modeled the optimal wait time that gets them the most sign-ups for retakes and therefor the most $$. Unfortunately, because the test must be standardized, there is a legitimate reason for monopoly and hence we cannot protest by taking our business elsewhere. What a racket.
 
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I sent them an email asking about getting unofficial scores early.

I'm sure they're currently laughing at it while throwing one hundred dollar bills in the air but hey it doesnt hurt to try, lol.
 
I sent them an email asking about getting unofficial scores early.

I'm sure they're currently laughing at it while throwing one hundred dollar bills in the air but hey it doesnt hurt to try, lol.

LOL if this worked they would literally get ten thousand emails the next day
 
The WS is graded by both a computer and a person. If the two scores vary by more than 1 then they get graded by a second person I think


Not sure where you are getting this information. The WS is not scored by a computer. Each essay is scored by two people. Each essay is then averaged between the two people's scores. Then the two overall scores are added to generate the letter scale.

I wish people would educate themselves before throwing out misinformation in the universe.. sdn is filled with inconsistencies.
 
Not sure where you are getting this information. The WS is not scored by a computer. Each essay is scored by two people. Each essay is then averaged between the two people's scores. Then the two overall scores are added to generate the letter scale.

I wish people would educate themselves before throwing out misinformation in the universe.. sdn is filled with inconsistencies.

Notched the "I think" at the end of the sentence? 1. I said I wasn't 100% sure wether or not thy was the process and 2. I was mainly trying to make the point that there are people actually involved in the grading process.

It's not that serious
 
Notched the "I think" at the end of the sentence? 1. I said I wasn't 100% sure wether or not thy was the process and 2. I was mainly trying to make the point that there are people actually involved in the grading process.

It's not that serious

I never said it was serious, it's just kind of annoying when people make things up out of nowhere with no research or facts to back up their statements. Just saying.
 
Personally, I don't think the aamc is all that bad.

I do find it very odd that they don't release WS separate from the rest though... There is no logical explanation for this other than

1) financial incentive due to re-taking
2) the curve isn't as pre-set as we are assuming

It's not like they don't know having our scores back early would be much better for us as applicants. Assuming the two points above were not playing a factor, I can't find another reason they wouldn't want this process to be best for the people paying them. This has been done with other tests like the GRE so there is a currently successful model they could easily copy. Not to mention way more people take the GRE than the MCAT. This is something that simply can not be logically explained...

With that said, that's life... somethings just don't make sense! Enjoy your time off!
 
I never said it was serious, it's just kind of annoying when people make things up out of nowhere with no research or facts to back up their statements. Just saying.

I'm not sure how reliable princeton review is but it says it on their website FAQ

Princeton Review said:
If the human grader's essay score and the computer grader's essay score are significantly different, who wins?
On the MCAT, your essay is graded by one human grader and one computer grader. If their scores are significantly different, a second human grader is called in to resolve the issue, and that person will decide your final score.


http://www.princetonreview.com/medical/mcat-faqs.aspx
 
I'm not sure how reliable princeton review is but it says it on their website FAQ




http://www.princetonreview.com/medical/mcat-faqs.aspx


Apparently they aren't too reliable. taken from AAMC website since people want to argue over an internet forum when it doesn't matter who the bleep scores the WS anyway.

Writing Sample Section Score

The Writing Sample section is scored independently. There are two essays on the exam. Each essay is scored twice on a scale of 1 to 6, with 6 being the high score. The resulting four scores are summed to result in the raw score. This raw score is converted to an alphabetic scale ranging from J (lowest) to T (highest). Note that the sum can result from different combinations of individual scores. For example, a student whose scores are 4 and 5 on the first essay and 4 and 4 on the second--a raw score of 17--would receive the same alphabetic score point as student who scored a 3 and 3 on the first essay and a 5 and 6 on the second.
ScoreTypical Characteristics of Essay 6 Esssays that score 6 show clarity, depth, and complexity of thought. The treatment of the writing assignment is focused and coherent. Major ideas are substantially developed. A facility with language is evident.
5 Esssays that score 5 show clarity of thought, with some depth or complexity. The treatment of the rhetorical assignment is generally focused and coherent. Major ideas are well developed. A strong control of language is evident.
4 Esssays that score 4 show clarity of thought and may show evidence of depth or complexity. The treatment of the writing assignment is coherent, with some focus. Major ideas are adequately developed. An adequate control of the language is evident.
3 Esssays that score 3 show some clarity of thought but may lack complexity. The treatment of the writing assignment is coherent but may not be focused. Major ideas are somewhat developed. While there may be some mechanical errors, some control of language is evident.
2 Esssays that score 2 may show some problems with clarity or complexity of thought. The treatment of the writing assignment may show problems with integration or coherence. Major ideas may be underdeveloped. There may be numerous errors in mechanics, usage, or sentence structure.
1 Esssays that score 1 may demonstrate a lack of understanding of the writing assignment. There may be serious problems with organization. Ideas may not be developed. There may be so many errors in mechanics, usage, or sentence structure that the writer's ideas are difficult to follow.

Must be one effing smart computer to analyze if an argument is cohesive with examples, etc. If computers are that smart, they should eliminate English teachers everywhere.

So I don't know - trust AAMC who actually writes the exam or a stupid prep company with multiple errors in their practice materials and practice exams that barely resemble the real deal? You decide.
 
We all know the writing score is the most useless part of the exam. Let's just leave it at that.

When I took the exam on 4/28, I decided to write about Cuba in one of my essays. I got distracted and the word "Cuba" reminded me of Cuba Gooding, Jr. I literally spent the next 10 minutes (not joking) thinking about all of the movies Cuba Gooding, Jr. had been in
 
Apparently they aren't too reliable. taken from AAMC website since people want to argue over an internet forum when it doesn't matter who the bleep scores the WS anyway.

Must be one effing smart computer to analyze if an argument is cohesive with examples, etc. If computers are that smart, they should eliminate English teachers everywhere.

So I don't know - trust AAMC who actually writes the exam or a stupid prep company with multiple errors in their practice materials and practice exams that barely resemble the real deal? You decide.




This is the closest thing I found that is reliable, straight from an AAMC speaker, from aacom.org

Speaker: Ellen R. Julian said:
...MCAT notes numerous advantages to their new CBT format, including quicker score reporting (30 days now, may be even shorter in future), more test administration dates (from 2 annually to 19 now with CBT), nicer testing environments, a shorter testing day (5.5 hours now), and biometric identification. The CBT format features 33% fewer questions, 2 essay questions, 30% less time overall (breaks are optional), and equivalent content coverage to the paper-and-pencil MCAT. One of the essays is hand-graded, and the second is computer graded, with a third human rater used if there is a wide variation...

http://www.aacom.org/InfoFor/educators/reports/Pages/AAMC2006.aspx
 
The MCAT2015 still has a long wait time (but significantly less than 30 days) so I have a feeling that even without the essay grading and with the preset curve, some slight adjustments are needed to be made -- just incase if the preset curve was underestimated or overestimated...
 
Not sure where you are getting this information. The WS is not scored by a computer. Each essay is scored by two people. Each essay is then averaged between the two people's scores. Then the two overall scores are added to generate the letter scale.

I wish people would educate themselves before throwing out misinformation in the universe.. sdn is filled with inconsistencies.

The current MCAT CBT writing section is graded by both a computer and a person. That's right, a computer software is partially responsible for grading your essay!

https://www.aamc.org/download/101020/data/writingsample.pdf.pdf

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Ekim, are you this annoying in real life? I'd sure love to meet you. There's no point in discussing the issue further. I hope I get a T. Peace.

Hmm, arnt you the one that got annoyed when someone posted "misinformation" without a source? Well, I gave you the source. Don't be mad because you were wrong. Peace.
 
Hmm, arnt you the one that got annoyed when someone posted "misinformation" without a source? Well, I gave you the source. Don't be mad because you were wrong. Peace.


I'm not mad. I could care less who grades the essays. Not sure why you spent your first five posts scrambling to find random info to back up your claim but if you have that much time on hands, maybe you should email AAMC for the information. 👍 Way to go, Ekim!! Do you want a cookie?!
 
I'm not mad. I could care less who grades the essays. Not sure why you spent your first five posts scrambling to find random info to back up your claim but if you have that much time on hands, maybe you should email AAMC for the information. 👍 Way to go, Ekim!! Do you want a cookie?!

It only takes a few seconds to google. Not sure how slow you are though.
 
I'm not mad. I could care less who grades the essays. Not sure why you spent your first five posts scrambling to find random info to back up your claim but if you have that much time on hands, maybe you should email AAMC for the information. 👍 Way to go, Ekim!! Do you want a cookie?!

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Ekim > Cinamin.

Ekim's claim is backed by the AAMC website, Wikipedia (whose source is AAMC), and TPR.
- A reader can be anything that reads. Computers "read" discs all the time.

Normally I wouldn't say anything but Cinamin was a toolbag, then got owned via evidence, then became an even bigger toolbag.
 
Ekim > Cinamin.

Ekim's claim is backed by the AAMC website, Wikipedia (whose source is AAMC), and TPR.
- A reader can be anything that reads. Computers "read" discs all the time.

Normally I wouldn't say anything but Cinamin was a toolbag, then got owned via evidence, then became an even bigger toolbag.


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Ekim > Cinamin.

Ekim's claim is backed by the AAMC website, Wikipedia (whose source is AAMC), and TPR.
- A reader can be anything that reads. Computers "read" discs all the time.

Normally I wouldn't say anything but Cinamin was a toolbag, then got owned via evidence, then became an even bigger toolbag.

So now you're resorting to name-calling, and you want to be a doctor. Yeah... right. I really don't care about this anymore. There are two places on the AAMC website which state that there are two readers for each essay. I said that people can email AAMC if they really want to prove something.
 
I know the answer because an uncle of mine worked for AAMC for 15 years.

You see, AAMC doesn't even know the answers to some of the more ridiculous questions they write. They simply scramble to utilize yahoo answers, the mcat section of this site, and a few other places to see what the the majorty of known "smart people" would say.

I know this because my uncle, upon recognition of my unparalled intelligence, began consulting me about various questions and furiously jotting down notes as I let the wisdom flow from my tounge.

Whatever you do, NEVER ask an AAMC employee why there is a wait. If you do, you'll notice they become instantly nervous, defensive, and have a tendency to blurt things out such as "Just trust us!! It's not like we're trying to figure out the right answers or anything!" followed by "If you continue asking questions we will invalidate your score!" followed by them jumping out of the glass window of the room, hopping in their car, and speeding away via tire burnout.
 
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Cinamin,

You're delusional. 👎


Ekim, are you this annoying in real life? I'd sure love to meet you. There's no point in discussing the issue further. I hope I get a T. Peace.

I'm not mad. I could care less who grades the essays. Not sure why you spent your first five posts scrambling to find random info to back up your claim but if you have that much time on hands, maybe you should email AAMC for the information. 👍 Way to go, Ekim!! Do you want a cookie?!

Please report back when you get a 20 on your 4/28 MCAT.

Read it and weep on the AAMC website. I guess you're too slow to look at sources other than Wikipedia and PR. Like I said, please report back when you get a 20N on your MCAT.

Your raw score on the Writing Sample is determined by adding the scores you receive on each of the two responses you write. Because two different readers rate each response, your total raw Writing score is the sum of the four scores: two for the first response and two for the second. From the raw scores we calculate scale scores (see below for why we do this), and these scale scores appear on your final score report. The scores for the multiple-choice sections—Verbal Reasoning, Physical Sciences, and Biological Sciences—will be reported on a scale ranging from 1 (lowest) to 15 (highest)


LET ME SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU since you're too lazy to do legitimate research and then go on to call me lazy:
"TWO DIFFERENT READERS RATE EACH RESPONSE"

jee ****ing whiz. Last time I checked, when they use the word 'reader' they refer to an actual human ****ing being. Thanks for ruining this thread.
 
Cinamin,

You're delusional. 👎

Thanks Kines. What's your intention/ purpose of continuing to harass / attack me on an internet forum? Does it make you feel better?

SDN MODERATORS, can you please scroll above and delete all these harsh comments towards my character? I was trying to provide a link to AAMC's website about how the WS is graded, which has now turned into an attack on me.

Thanks again Kines. I hope June 12th brings you the karma you deserve.
 
I know the answer because an uncle of mine worked for AAMC for 15 years.

You see, AAMC doesn't even know the answers to some of the more ridiculous questions they write. They simply scramble to utilize yahoo answers, the mcat section of this site, and a few other places to see what the the majorty of known "smart people" would say.

I know this because my uncle, upon recognition of my unparalled intelligence, began consulting me about various questions and furiously jotting down notes as I let the wisdom flow from my tounge.

Whatever you do, NEVER ask an AAMC employee why there is a wait. If you do, you'll notice they become instantly nervous, defensive, and have a tendency to blurt things out such as "Just trust us!! It's not like we're trying to figure out the right answers or anything!" followed by "If you continue asking questions we will invalidate your score!" followed by them jumping out of the glass window of the room, hopping in their car, and speeding away via tire burnout.

That's an interesting theory actually. Some of the verbal questions seem like they really could have 2 good answers.
 
Thanks Kines. What's your intention/ purpose of continuing to harass / attack me on an internet forum? Does it make you feel better?

SDN MODERATORS, can you please scroll above and delete all these harsh comments towards my character? I was trying to provide a link to AAMC's website about how the WS is graded, which has now turned into an attack on me.

Thanks again Kines. I hope June 12th brings you the karma you deserve.

Consider it an intervention. You have to face the music someday.
 
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