I totally agree, I was looking at Columbia but decided on Penn becuase of all its pluses. First off I think lving in Philly would be better than lving in New York, attitude wise; although I am from the midwest, so that might be more apparent to me. The res I would tell you but It would take so long, I know Desi has doena pretty good job laying it out on one of the Upitt forums, becuase a guy from Upitt was bashing Penn, I reccomend you read that, and at least go and see Penn.