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You know it's bad when LinkedIn writes about it and it's a trending story.

A few years ago, I wrote what I thought was an encouraging note to pharmacy managers on SDN (and if it wasn't, sorry, that was truly my intention) - after a colleague who I very much respected called me crying about how her district manager was harassing her and making her feel incompetent. In response to the SDN note, I then got harassed by a gang of usual suspects on SDN who I believe are apart of the problem with our profession.

In short - we don't stick together, and it's literally every man/woman for him/herself. We are the only advanced degree healthcare profession group that is entirely unorganized, lacks power, shared goals, and leadership. Because of these things, and the lack of innovation from pharmacists, this is why our profession is about to get ripped to shreds.

Anyways, don't listen to me (the usual suspects won't anyway), even if I am a one-degree of separation from all of the insiders in this game - Read the article.
 
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The only way we can survive this saturation is to unionize now. All CVS, Walmart, Walgreen, Riteaid pharmacists combined to be run under the same union. The time is now, waiting any longer they can just hire the surplus and replace you before you even form one. You can't replace that many pharmacists at once. The problem is a bunch of rphs are wussies so they just take a beating and majority won't go on strike when sh1t hits the fan, they are highly dependent living paycheck to paycheck. Union is the only bargaining power you have left.
 
Momus said:
The only way we can survive this saturation is to unionize now. All CVS, Walmart, Walgreen, Riteaid pharmacists combined to be run under the same union. The time is now, waiting any longer they can just hire the surplus and replace you before you even form one. You can't replace that many pharmacists at once. The problem is a bunch of rphs are wussies so they just take a beating and majority won't go on strike when sh1t hits the fan, they are highly dependent living paycheck to paycheck. Union is the only bargaining power you have left.
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Unions of salaried managers don’t have power, anyway. They can be fired for joining/promoting membership.
 
JamesL1585 said:
You know it's bad when LinkedIn writes about it and it's a trending story.

A few years ago, I wrote what I thought was an encouraging note to pharmacy managers on SDN (and if it wasn't, sorry, that was truly my intention) - after a colleague who I very much respected called me crying about how her district manager was harassing her and making her feel incompetent. In response to the SDN note, I then got harassed by a gang of usual suspects on SDN who I believe are apart of the problem with our profession.

In short - we don't stick together, and it's literally every man/woman for him/herself. We are the only advanced degree healthcare profession group that is entirely unorganized, lacks power, shared goals, and leadership. Because of these things, and the lack of innovation from pharmacists, this is why our profession is about to get ripped to shreds.

Anyways, don't listen to me (the usual suspects won't anyway), even if I am a one-degree of separation from all of the insiders in this game - Read the article.
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I respectfully disagree.
I think we need *less* teethless people who are scared to be aggressive.

Your posts come across as self-aggrandizing and, quite frankly, a bit unrealistic. That's why I posted the way I did in your threads. You post a lot about the profession of pharmacy, but I'm not sure that you're really about that life.

I'm proud of you either way. Keep dreaming the dream, even if it's unrealistic
 
I love how every time this guy posts it always ends up being about him.

I said it last time and I'll say it again. There's nothing special about this company. People are putting in money for the sole purpose of selling it later.

There's also no difference between this and an independent. A bunch of these could survive.
 
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JamesL1585 said:
You know it's bad when LinkedIn writes about it and it's a trending story.

A few years ago, I wrote what I thought was an encouraging note to pharmacy managers on SDN (and if it wasn't, sorry, that was truly my intention) - after a colleague who I very much respected called me crying about how her district manager was harassing her and making her feel incompetent. In response to the SDN note, I then got harassed by a gang of usual suspects on SDN who I believe are apart of the problem with our profession.

In short - we don't stick together, and it's literally every man/woman for him/herself. We are the only advanced degree healthcare profession group that is entirely unorganized, lacks power, shared goals, and leadership. Because of these things, and the lack of innovation from pharmacists, this is why our profession is about to get ripped to shreds.

Anyways, don't listen to me (the usual suspects won't anyway), even if I am a one-degree of separation from all of the insiders in this game - Read the article.
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How much are they [Capsule] paying for the Practice Partnerships Pharmacist position? The time I interviewed with them for a remote position, the recruiter asked me many questions. I answered all of them, she told me $30/hour and did a 180 on me.

Two weeks later, I see them advertising a specific position for something that I specifically discussed with the young lady recruiter. They're not that innovative.
 
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I love how every time this guy posts it always ends up being about him.

I said it last time and I'll say it again. There's nothing special about this company. People are putting in money for the sole purpose of selling it later.

There's also no difference between this and an independent. A bunch of these could survive.
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wagrxm2000 said:
I love how every time this guy posts it always ends up being about him.

I said it last time and I'll say it again. There's nothing special about this company. People are putting in money for the sole purpose of selling it later.

There's also no difference between this and an independent. A bunch of these could survive.
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You're not very business savvy, I see. You might want to start working towards acquiring your pharm certificates, so you keep your job, and move along.
 
3457908 said:
How much are they paying for the Practice Partnerships Pharmacist position? The time I interviewed with them for a remote position, the recruiter asked me many questions. I answered all of them, she told me $30/hour and did a 180 on me.

Two weeks later, I see them advertising a specific position for something that I specifically discussed with the young lady recruiter. They're not that innovative.
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Sorry, not following what you're trying to point out.
 
I don't understand why are you glorifying Capsule or have the need to write a letter. I do appreciate your positive thoughts towards pharmacy managers. That said, if I needed to pause for a hug or a therapy session every time my metrics fell... I wouldn't be able to get anything done at work. Maybe no empathy on my part, but I thought a big part of doing pharmacy management or any other job was not to cry and whine. I also don't mind helping others, but don't want to 'stick together' with people who will drag me down.
 
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wagrxm2000 said:
People are putting in money for the sole purpose of selling it later.
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Is that not the sole purpose of investing money into a business? I think you are describing the basis of all stocks and investments, lol
 
owlegrad said:
Is that not the sole purpose of investing money into a business? I think you are describing the basis of all stocks and investments, lol
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I'm saying these people aren't in it to help customers. That's not my purpose for being a pharmacist.

Why become a pharmacist in the first place? Anyone could have done this.

What I really like is when these startups say they are here for their customers. No it is and will always be about money.
 
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wagrxm2000 said:
I'm saying these people aren't in it to help customers. That's not my purpose for being a pharmacist.

Why become a pharmacist in the first place? Anyone could have done this.
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Ohh I thought the point of this thread was to rub our noses in someone else's financial success (because reasons?), not prove how altruistic the founders are. My bad!
 
owlegrad said:
Ohh I thought the point of this thread was to rub our noses in someone else's financial success (because reasons?), not prove how altruistic the founders are. My bad!
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I forgive you.
 
3457908 said:
I don't understand why are you glorifying Capsule or have the need to write a letter. I do appreciate your positive thoughts towards pharmacy managers. That said, if I needed to pause for a hug or a therapy session every time my metrics fell... I wouldn't be able to get anything done at work. Maybe no empathy on my part, but I thought a big part of doing pharmacy management or any other job was not to cry and whine.
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So, I'm definitely not glorifying Capsule. I don't care about them (and pillpack, and Alto), as much as I care about their impact on our profession. They are a company started by a Wharton MBA. People from Wharton come to shock and disrupt markets. My point is Pharmacist allowed this to happen. So there may be a lot more crying and whining in pharmacy, as the profession is slipping out of our hands. Someone also said there can be several of these company's in pharmacy.... please tell me how that's not problematic? These tech company's are made to make markets much more efficient than they already are. I don't see this as a good thing.

FYI Capsule is backed by Richard Branson.
 
The pharmacy profession is going downhill FAST. Everyone takes what these companies give them & then go to the internet to complain. As if its doing anything. This profession at least on the retail end wont last longer than 5 more years tbh. Then once that happens, pharmacists will do what they do best - come to the internet to complain from their couches. LMAO. Profession is full of old lazy people with no balls or self-respect. They should either do something about the profession or shut up.
 
JamesL1585 said:
A few years ago, I wrote what I thought was an encouraging note to pharmacy managers on SDN (and if it wasn't, sorry, that was truly my intention) - after a colleague who I very much respected called me crying about how her district manager was harassing her and making her feel incompetent. In response to the SDN note, I then got harassed by a gang of usual suspects on SDN who I believe are apart of the problem with our profession.

Anyways, don't listen to me (the usual suspects won't anyway), even if I am a one-degree of separation from all of the insiders in this game - Read the article.
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JamesL1585 said:
So, I'm definitely not glorifying Capsule. I don't care about them (and pillpack, and Alto), as much as I care about their impact on our profession. They are a company started by a Wharton MBA. People from Wharton come to shock and disrupt markets.

FYI Capsule is backed by Richard Branson.
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Man, this reeks of superiority complex and halo effect... couldn't you have toned it down a notch? It's totally detracting from your central point.

Regarding Capsule, Pillpack, etc... isn't that what the free market is supposed to do - find efficiencies and realize them? What would be the solution here for us to 'take back the profession'?
 
Jbrl said:
Man, this reeks of superiority complex and halo effect... couldn't you have toned it down a notch? It's totally detracting from your central point.

Regarding Capsule, Pillpack, etc... isn't that what the free market is supposed to do - find efficiencies and realize them? What would be the solution here?
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This must be the first time you've read his posts
 
Jbrl said:
Man, this reeks of superiority complex and halo effect... couldn't you have toned it down a notch? It's totally detracting from your central point.

Regarding Capsule, Pillpack, etc... isn't that what the free market is supposed to do - find efficiencies and realize them? What would be the solution here for us to 'take back the profession'?
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Tricky question. But short answer - Fight fire with fire. Build a more patient-centric model, run at a loss for a few years (like Amazon did) to win patients, outspend on advertising, have it be pharmacist-run, pharmacist focused, etc.

The problem is, once you've allowed something to happen, and scale backtracking is near impossible.
 
JamesL1585 said:
Tricky question. But short answer - Fight fire with fire. Build a more patient-centric model, run at a loss for a few years (like Amazon did) to win patients, outspend on advertising, have it be pharmacist-run, pharmacist focused, etc.

The problem is, once you've allowed something to happen, and scale backtracking is near impossible.
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I'd like to take 'Reinventing the Wheel' for $400 please!
 
Feels weird that these corps can do whatever they feel like and we have to accept it or lose our jobs
 
The OP is right. We are a bunch of wusses. People who are risk averse tend to go into pharmacy and we lack the backbone of other professions
 
owlegrad said:
I actually agree with you but good luck getting any professional, let alone pharmacists, to join a union.
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I'd be the first to join - but then again, I work for myself, so don't have much to lose (full disclosure) in terms of conflicts of interest. Even if I did have something to lose, I'd still join because it's needed for sure!
 
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JamesL1585 said:
You know it's bad when LinkedIn writes about it and it's a trending story.

A few years ago, I wrote what I thought was an encouraging note to pharmacy managers on SDN (and if it wasn't, sorry, that was truly my intention) - after a colleague who I very much respected called me crying about how her district manager was harassing her and making her feel incompetent. In response to the SDN note, I then got harassed by a gang of usual suspects on SDN who I believe are apart of the problem with our profession.

In short - we don't stick together, and it's literally every man/woman for him/herself. We are the only advanced degree healthcare profession group that is entirely unorganized, lacks power, shared goals, and leadership. Because of these things, and the lack of innovation from pharmacists, this is why our profession is about to get ripped to shreds.

Anyways, don't listen to me (the usual suspects won't anyway), even if I am a one-degree of separation from all of the insiders in this game - Read the article.
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Sounds like corporate america to me bro! People cutting throats, nobody has your back, cant trust anyone.
 
nafcillin said:
The OP is right. We are a bunch of wusses. People who are risk averse tend to go into pharmacy and we lack the backbone of other professions
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I dunno, It could be we spent 8 years attempting to do something we love and now the "rug is being ripped out from under us"......what can you do anymore in the corporate world anyway? all the companies are downsizing, shutting their doors...etc. opportunities are drying up, and its hard to admit failure after all the hard work and life sacrifice pharmacists have made,. In all fairness, a person cannot move forward and progress into something else, until they can admit pharmacy WAS and IS a dead end. Thats a HARD pill to swallow...........and come to accept.
 
sozetone said:
I dunno, It could be we spent 8 years attempting to do something we love
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Nobody loves pharmacy, that's all BS. I love to do things like spend time with family and friends, eat out, travel, go on cruises, ski, golf, hike, watch movies, go to a sports game or concert. Working in a pharmacy for 8-12 hours is not on that list.

Let's see how many people "love" pharmacy when wages are in the $40s/hr.
 
mentos said:
Nobody loves pharmacy, that's all BS. I love to do things like spend time with family and friends, eat out, travel, go on cruises, ski, golf, hike, watch movies, go to a sports game or concert. Working in a pharmacy for 8-12 hours is not on that list.

Let's see how many people "love" pharmacy when wages are in the $40s/hr.
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Retail pharmacy sucks. It is/has become an absolute hell. I would unionize if that were an available option (if that helped out my retail brethren).
 
Pharmacist unions are not coming back. The second the Walgreens pharmacist union caved back in the mid 2000s was the end of that.
 
They know they have us by the b*lls and we’ll take whatever they give us.
 
I've become really jaded about pharmacists who whine and complain about corporate pharmacy. I bet my state board could make a rule that says pharmacists are not allowed to take lunch/bathroom breaks and they would receive zero letters in opposition. Hell when they voted to get rid of technician ratios the chain pharmacists wrote over 60 letters in SUPPORT of it. Who needs ISIS when chain pharmacists are so willing to cut off their own head?
 
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