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Is UNC a good medical school? If so, why? Why would one go there over other schools? How prestigious is it? Is it top tier? Is it well-funded for research, does it have famous faculty?

2009 Rankings:

19 USN R
2 USN PC
14 NIH

How good are these numbers? How do you know if UNC is a perfect fit for you?

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If a medical school has famous faculty, you know it is great.
 
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screw usnwr

are you instate
do you like the program
do you want to move to nc
 
UNC is a great school. I can't believe you actually searched out all those numbers OP. I think us pre-meds depend too much on rankings at times.
 
Is UNC a good medical school? If so, why? Why would one go there over other schools? How prestigious is it? Is it top tier? Is it well-funded for research, does it have famous faculty?

2009 Rankings:

19 USN R
2 USN PC
14 NIH

How good are these numbers? How do you know if UNC is a perfect fit for you?

being ranked top 19 out of 125 medical schools is pretty effin good...

if u want to know if its top tier (loosely defined as 1-20), then it's borderline top tier...whatever that means...
 
Carolina is in a pretty close battle with Duke as my "Dream School", there is some bias. But from what I've read and seen it's an amazing school with notable staff and tons of resources for it students. Rankings and all that jazz mean s**t if you don't fit well with the school. Also famous faculty are useless if they never actually get around to teaching. OP are you in-state? Whether or not you are plays a huge part comes admissions time, and I reckon that the people in these parts that have applied to Carolina will agree to the fact that if you aren't in-state and don't have top notch stats, your inquiry is pretty obsolete. Carolina accepts very few OOSers in it's incoming classes...either way good luck and maybe one day :xf: we'll both be TarHeels 😀
 
I figure I'll weigh in as I attended UNC as an undergrad, did research in the med school (Dept. of Cell and Developmental Biology), know several current UNC med students and will be attending there in the fall.

Pluses at UNC: One of the best campuses you'll ever see. Beautiful, comfortable, great public transportation, and excellent facilities. Lively and interesting college town. Great weather most of the time. Fairly down-to-earth student body... you won't run into an inordinate amount of trust-fund babies (as opposed to the faux-Gothic wonderland 8 miles down the road). Med students are generally happy and well-balanced here, especially in comparison with some other schools I interviewed at. The school seems to bend over backwards to give you access to a balanced lifestyle, and there are plenty of activities (athletic, clinical, research, musical, etc.) to participate in. The school is well-regarded, the hospital is excellent, and tuition is some of the cheapest you'll find anywhere.

Minuses at UNC: Terrible parking situation in that part of Chapel Hill. Count on using the (free) buses a lot. UNC is probably the most liberal major university (excepting the business school) anywhere in the Southeast, which might make you uncomfortable if you're a conservative. I'm fairly liberal, consider myself a moderate Democrat, and I was frequently among the most conservative people in my classes, and I understand this attitude extends to the med school. Cost of living in Chapel Hill is higher than almost anywhere else in the state of NC, you'll pay $150-200 more for an equivalent apartment here than you would in Raleigh, and food is more expensive too (though this is more than offset by the dirt-cheap tuition). You will be the object of hate for millions of NC State fans who have been bred and trained to hate you and everything you stand for, and you'll never be able to figure out why.
 
I figure I'll weigh in as I attended UNC as an undergrad, did research in the med school (Dept. of Cell and Developmental Biology), know several current UNC med students and will be attending there in the fall.



Minuses at UNC: Terrible parking situation in that part of Chapel Hill. Count on using the (free) buses a lot. UNC is probably the most liberal major university (excepting the business school) anywhere in the Southeast, which might make you uncomfortable if you're a conservative. I'm fairly liberal, consider myself a moderate Democrat, and I was frequently among the most conservative people in my classes, and I understand this attitude extends to the med school. Cost of living in Chapel Hill is higher than almost anywhere else in the state of NC, you'll pay $150-200 more for an equivalent apartment here than you would in Raleigh, and food is more expensive too (though this is more than offset by the dirt-cheap tuition). You will be the object of hate for millions of NC State fans who have been bred and trained to hate you and everything you stand for, and you'll never be able to figure out why.

Excellent. Another plus for me. Too bad UNC is OOS for me.
 
19 USN R
2 USN PC
14 NIH

Personally, I think a school is complete crap unless all these numbers are in the single digits.

Why would you ever want to go a school ranked #19? Who ever heard of someone coming in 19th place and winning something? My grandma got 19th place last month in a marathon, she sure didn't get up on that podium of winners.

19? **** 19!

And don't even get me started on that 14...

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I figure I'll weigh in as I attended UNC as an undergrad, did research in the med school (Dept. of Cell and Developmental Biology), know several current UNC med students and will be attending there in the fall.

Pluses at UNC: One of the best campuses you'll ever see. Beautiful, comfortable, great public transportation, and excellent facilities. Lively and interesting college town. Great weather most of the time. Fairly down-to-earth student body... you won't run into an inordinate amount of trust-fund babies (as opposed to the faux-Gothic wonderland 8 miles down the road). Med students are generally happy and well-balanced here, especially in comparison with some other schools I interviewed at. The school seems to bend over backwards to give you access to a balanced lifestyle, and there are plenty of activities (athletic, clinical, research, musical, etc.) to participate in. The school is well-regarded, the hospital is excellent, and tuition is some of the cheapest you'll find anywhere.

Minuses at UNC: Terrible parking situation in that part of Chapel Hill. Count on using the (free) buses a lot. UNC is probably the most liberal major university (excepting the business school) anywhere in the Southeast, which might make you uncomfortable if you're a conservative. I'm fairly liberal, consider myself a moderate Democrat, and I was frequently among the most conservative people in my classes, and I understand this attitude extends to the med school. Cost of living in Chapel Hill is higher than almost anywhere else in the state of NC, you'll pay $150-200 more for an equivalent apartment here than you would in Raleigh, and food is more expensive too (though this is more than offset by the dirt-cheap tuition). You will be the object of hate for millions of NC State fans who have been bred and trained to hate you and everything you stand for, and you'll never be able to figure out why.

I'll second everything you said. Some things from my observations that really drew me to UNC are the fact that the people I know who go to med school there are extremely laid back people. Do they study a lot? Of course, but they are people I would be friends with if I met them at the school. The comment about the liberal environment is spot on. I am fairly conservative, but had to avoid letting many profs know that in order for them to like me - told them I was a "Blue Dog" democrat (which I kind of am). Anyhoo, that's just my 2 cents. Great school, great location, great facilities for an unbeatable price.
 
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UNC is probably the most liberal major university (excepting the business school) anywhere in the Southeast, which might make you uncomfortable if you're a conservative. I'm fairly liberal, consider myself a moderate Democrat, and I was frequently among the most conservative people in my classes, and I understand this attitude extends to the med school.

Something recent that happened here that made headlines: Tom Tancredo was stopped from speaking at UNC by protesters several days ago after being invited by the newly formed chapter of "Youth for Western Civilization." The pervading opinion on campus (and my opinion as well) is that although many people disagree with the philosophy of the group that invited Mr. Tancredo to speak, he should have been able to speak and had the right to free speech. Take from that what you will.

You will be the object of hate for millions of NC State fans who have been bred and trained to hate you and everything you stand for, and you'll never be able to figure out why.

Ha. So true. I'm not sure they even know why.

Is that a fake, artificially aged cathedral on your campus, or is it just happy to see me? 😉

LOL :laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
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Chubby's always on the UNC thread, I'm surprised he/she would say that. I always thought chubby liked UNC
 
It's a great school. However, it's admission process like some other schools is terrible. Long (I mean terribly long....some people don't even hear from UNC by the time med school starts...seriously) waits, accepting students almost like a lottery process (putting names in a hat and then different adcom members picking a slip of paper with a name on it or least that's what it seems like by the nature of students they accept), and MORE IMPORTANTLY gravitates toward more non-trad./non-science/non/semi-objective people. Also, they get awed if you have traveled abroad and done something semi-useful to a "third world" (pshhh) country. I am NOT making this up. I know many many people who would attest to this.

Bottom line, If you are a science major you better be prepared to have something "artsy" or "extraordinary" on your app. Even research pubs, high MCAT, etc. won't cut it. Not even playing sports. They want you to really really dug deep into clinical side of medicine with medical missions, other local programs, etc. I cannot say this enough. UNC will scrutinize you more if you are a science major, with great stats, and even have decent number of outside activities. They WILL look for something "grandiose".

If you are a non-trad/non-science/etc. person then you have to basically make a great impression on your interviewer with all of the fabulous non-science related stuff that you did even if it is true or not. Basically, decent stats, with something outside academics (like medical missions, president of a club, etc.) will really lock you in for a place at UNC if you show them that you want to be there. Seriously.

If you think I am joking about what I have just said then wait until you get the reject from UNC and then you will understand what I am talking about. Really.

But overall, as far as the university and med school is concerned (minus the UNC med schools admissions process) it's an excellent school!
 
I guess with neil's post i might as well let everyone know that was accepted to UNC SOM in like Dec. I was just using this to make my decision. That's all. Also, I feel bad for neil cuz he clearly woked hard to get in, (we are MCAT and GPA twins). I am a sci-major with a pub and research. Neil, I think you being OOS was the final stake in your heart though. I understand your frustration. I am just as pissed at Duke. I hate their admissions process now.
 
I guess with neil's post i might as well let everyone know that was accepted to UNC SOM in like Dec. I was just using this to make my decision. That's all. Also, I feel bad for neil cuz he clearly woked hard to get in, (we are MCAT and GPA twins). I am a sci-major with a pub and research. Neil, I think you being OOS was the final stake in your heart though. I understand your frustration. I am just as pissed at Duke. I hate their admissions process now.

dukes bball recruiting sux big time too. worsttttt. i'm not gonna even bring up the ratio of ebony to ivory on that team
 
It's a great school. However, it's admission process like some other schools is terrible. Long (I mean terribly long....some people don't even hear from UNC by the time med school starts...seriously) waits, accepting students almost like a lottery process (putting names in a hat and then different adcom members picking a slip of paper with a name on it or least that's what it seems like by the nature of students they accept), and MORE IMPORTANTLY gravitates toward more non-trad./non-science/non/semi-objective people. Also, they get awed if you have traveled abroad and done something semi-useful to a "third world" (pshhh) country. I am NOT making this up. I know many many people who would attest to this.

Bottom line, If you are a science major you better be prepared to have something "artsy" or "extraordinary" on your app. Even research pubs, high MCAT, etc. won't cut it. Not even playing sports. They want you to really really dug deep into clinical side of medicine with medical missions, other local programs, etc. I cannot say this enough. UNC will scrutinize you more if you are a science major, with great stats, and even have decent number of outside activities. They WILL look for something "grandiose".

If you are a non-trad/non-science/etc. person then you have to basically make a great impression on your interviewer with all of the fabulous non-science related stuff that you did even if it is true or not. Basically, decent stats, with something outside academics (like medical missions, president of a club, etc.) will really lock you in for a place at UNC if you show them that you want to be there. Seriously.

If you think I am joking about what I have just said then wait until you get the reject from UNC and then you will understand what I am talking about. Really.

But overall, as far as the university and med school is concerned (minus the UNC med schools admissions process) it's an excellent school!
Were you in state or out of state?
 
I guess with neil's post i might as well let everyone know that was accepted to UNC SOM in like Dec. I was just using this to make my decision. That's all. Also, I feel bad for neil cuz he clearly woked hard to get in, (we are MCAT and GPA twins). I am a sci-major with a pub and research. Neil, I think you being OOS was the final stake in your heart though. I understand your frustration. I am just as pissed at Duke. I hate their admissions process now.

Oh God. OOS? There's just no way to guarantee a spot unless you have a 3.95/42 and have personally opened no less than 15 AIDS clinics in the Congo river basin. Otherwise it's a crapshoot. And the AIDS clinics will impress them 20 times more than the high stats. It's a public school, and they're primarily trying to produce good and committed clinicians for the state of NC.
 
I was IS! But I went to an OS university
 
It's a great school. However, it's admission process like some other schools is terrible. Long (I mean terribly long....some people don't even hear from UNC by the time med school starts...seriously) waits, accepting students almost like a lottery process (putting names in a hat and then different adcom members picking a slip of paper with a name on it or least that's what it seems like by the nature of students they accept), and MORE IMPORTANTLY gravitates toward more non-trad./non-science/non/semi-objective people. Also, they get awed if you have traveled abroad and done something semi-useful to a "third world" (pshhh) country. I am NOT making this up. I know many many people who would attest to this.

Bottom line, If you are a science major you better be prepared to have something "artsy" or "extraordinary" on your app. Even research pubs, high MCAT, etc. won't cut it. Not even playing sports. They want you to really really dug deep into clinical side of medicine with medical missions, other local programs, etc. I cannot say this enough. UNC will scrutinize you more if you are a science major, with great stats, and even have decent number of outside activities. They WILL look for something "grandiose".

If you are a non-trad/non-science/etc. person then you have to basically make a great impression on your interviewer with all of the fabulous non-science related stuff that you did even if it is true or not. Basically, decent stats, with something outside academics (like medical missions, president of a club, etc.) will really lock you in for a place at UNC if you show them that you want to be there. Seriously.

If you think I am joking about what I have just said then wait until you get the reject from UNC and then you will understand what I am talking about. Really.

But overall, as far as the university and med school is concerned (minus the UNC med schools admissions process) it's an excellent school!


Neil, you had a lot of "semis" in that post.

On a more serious note, as I've posted before, UNC does not accept more NON-science majors (percentage wise) than any other school. However, they do tend to accept OLDER applicants (avg age last year was 23 or 24). If your MDApps is correct and you are 20, that is VERY young, for any medical school. I'm not saying it's impossible to get in when you are 20 or younger, but it is more than likely looked down upon. In other words, someone who is 24 or 25 is going to get the nod if they have the exact same creds as you.

All medical school admissions suck. It's a fact of life.
 
Neil, you had a lot of "semis" in that post.

On a more serious note, as I've posted before, UNC does not accept more NON-science majors (percentage wise) than any other school. However, they do tend to accept OLDER applicants (avg age last year was 23 or 24). If your MDApps is correct and you are 20, that is VERY young, for any medical school. I'm not saying it's impossible to get in when you are 20 or younger, but it is more than likely looked down upon. In other words, someone who is 24 or 25 is going to get the nod if they have the exact same creds as you.

All medical school admissions suck. It's a fact of life.

yup i really am 20. i believe i said this in the very long discussions that took place in the secondary thread. 19 when i applied. I don't know the reason for doubting my MDApps? People try to stay as anonymous as they can but at the same time provide truthful stats.

Anyways, UNC's avg. stats are what they are mostly because of their OOS students along with some IS students. Most have stats below or just at the avg. range. I just don't think age should have anything to do with determination. 24-25 yr. + olds are more immature than 20 yr. olds in our lauded 21st century. Process is imperfect because we are humans duh! But, it can be made less imperfect by realizing mistakes that are made and doing something about it.That is also a part of humanity, mind you. But, people have said UNC looks for "artsy" kind of people who supposedly have done great things for the impoverished people of this world. (psshhhh, yeah right...what an unjust world). What many of these people have done is cheapen their lives by using their "missionary work" to gain advantage for themselves. Disgusting is the right wordnot nobel!

These people don't realize the real reason why the continent of Africa is the way it is. Because western culture supresses the real reason. The situation in Africa was bound to happen when you disenfranchise and segregate people based on your country's wealth and might. Europeans treated it as a jigsaw puzzle. The country who has more wealth, and power gets the bigger piece of the pie. But anyways, insincere people will deny. And why wouldn't they?

I am very candid and real about life. You are not doing yourself a favor by lying to yourself and more importantly the people who you have "supposedly" helped. If you want to really do it, then do it for the right reasons. Be sincere and honest. Don't make up twisted rationalizations to lie to yourselves in addition to lying to other people.
People should always give themselves a reality check often because you are only going to regret all of the lies you have told yourself when you get older or god forbid when something really terrible happens in your life.
 
back to this being a why unc thread as intended...

this is a repost but it should go here too: If you have truly missed out on all of this, I would say you NEED to go to a college town. You have missed out on all the reasons that (at least) I have loved undergrad so much. There is nothing like grilling burgers, having drinks and playing cornhole with the rest of your street before a big Saturday night football game or basketball game. Or living in a town where the ambulances, helicopters, police cars, firetrucks, street signs, fire hydrants and more are all baby blue. Or dancing in the middle of a street with 80,000 other fans after you win a national championship or beat duke.
 
But, people have said UNC looks for "artsy" kind of people who supposedly have done great things for the impoverished people of this world. (psshhhh, yeah right...what an unjust world). What many of these people have done is cheapen their lives by using their "missionary work" to gain advantage for themselves. Disgusting is the right wordnot nobel!

This is why you got rejected. This attitude right here. If it is coming through this clearly on this message board, then admissions almost certainly got a whiff of the stench on your application.

UNC like any school accepts the best candidates they can find, and this doesn't mean they pick the ones with the best stats. Volunteer work is part of the process for a reason; they show evidence that someone actually gives a crap about the world around them. Given the numbers of immature people who apply to med school as an ego trip, this strikes me as a very wise policy.

I spent 2 years, full time, as a missionary without having any idea I wanted to go into medicine. I spent 18 months part time as a Spanish/English medical interpreter and it wasn't until several months into that project that I decided on medicine (I was shooting for a PhD program beforehand). The vast majority of the people around me in these projects were there for the right reasons and demostrated their empathy through their actions. Your attempts at judging the intentions of those who have demonstrated far more commitment to the field of medicine that you have are almost as embarrassing as your misspelling of the word noble.

My (likely to be furiously ignored) advice to you: grow up. Go do some volunteer work. Meditate, pray, or do whatever you need to let the teenage angst out. Realize that most of the people that got accepted when you didn't are people who have numbers that are just as good or better than yours, and the ones who aren't better are likely so because they realized that gunning for a few extra points on a GPA or MCAT score are far less important to them than doing something worthwhile for the community, for their intellect, or for a person or group that is important to them. Plus, those people are to a fault far more mature than you... your last post is all the evidence any rational person could need to demonstrate that.
 
I was IS! But I went to an OS university

But in the South Carolina Secondaries Application Thread you said

so i called the admissions office couple of days ago and was told that i am on hold. (post-interview) is this normal for many applicants. I am IS btw.

How are you IS for both NC and SC?
 
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Neil, you had a lot of "semis" in that post.

On a more serious note, as I've posted before, UNC does not accept more NON-science majors (percentage wise) than any other school. However, they do tend to accept OLDER applicants (avg age last year was 23 or 24). If your MDApps is correct and you are 20, that is VERY young, for any medical school. I'm not saying it's impossible to get in when you are 20 or younger, but it is more than likely looked down upon. In other words, someone who is 24 or 25 is going to get the nod if they have the exact same creds as you.

All medical school admissions suck. It's a fact of life.

I am afraid that is not the case. I am sorry aladdin but I completed undergrad in 3 years and am 20 yrs old. I know someone from my undergrad who is going to UNC with the same stats as me and neil who also graduated in 3 years and is 20. This is not the reason neil got rejected and if he is In state as well. Then I guess neil got rejected was.............sheer bad luck. Same goes for me and Duke. SHEER BAD LUCK. Neil, don't be too hard on yourself. This frickin process is stupid and people that are major douches get in and people that legitimately care and want to help sick people even with the correct file don't get in. People told me it could be worse, and I never felt that until I saw your app. You do have it bad. There is nothing wrong with your app. BAD BEAT! But hey.....you used up all your bad luck which means you will be the luckiest SOB come residency match time. Anyway........

Anyone else have any more reasons why I should go to UNC over my other schools?
 
But in the South Carolina Secondaries Application Thread you said



How were you IS for both NC and SC?

BUSTED. Also, this is a direct quote from UNC SOM's website:
"A student who obtains a degree in less than four years may apply but should recognize that understanding the human condition and developing good judgment require experience. Without unusual qualifications, questions about breadth of education, maturity, experience, and motivation may put such an applicant at a disadvantage."

Firstly neil100, why were you not aware of this before you applied to UNC? Secondly, is this really such an unreasonable view on unusually young applicants?
 
Anyone else have any more reasons why I should go to UNC over my other schools?

I posted this on another thread about UNC, and I'll re-post it here:

"I have been an undergraduate at UNC for several years now and I can say that it is a truly amazing place to get an education, whether it be medicine or undergraduate.

Let's get something straight first. UNC is a very, very good medical school. It is currently ranked 19th by USNWR. Last year, it brought in $300.9 million in total grants / $212.9 million in NIH awards (# 17 in the nation) / $11.6 million in NIH Roadmap Grants (#1 in the nation). A lot of people have the misconception that research is a weakness of UNC's. I think those numbers put that idea to rest.

The student body here, both medical and undergraduate, are incredibly happy. The community feel is amazing in Chapel Hill and that extends to everyone. Medical school students get all of the perks that undergrads do, and that includes free tickets to basketball, football, and well, every other sport. If you follow college sports at all you know how nice of a perk that is.

I think that students who have never been to a school with a good sports team really discount the worth of it. The success of our programs, especially basketball, is an incredible source of enjoyment, happiness, and sometimes (rarely, because we're that good) anxiety. It creates a rallying point for all students to unite behind. I can say that walking down the street to a Duke game with a huge crowd exchanging "TAR....HEEL...!" chants is damn near magical. The excitement in the air right now in anticipation of our Final 4 game on Saturday is electric [editor's note: we dominated the final 4 and won the 'ship, if you weren't watching].

I understand that prestige can be something to value, but as an earlier poster said before, you have to decide if $200,000+ is really worth the extra 8 spots between Columbia and UNC. In my opinion, the answer is "hell no." I know the OP was raising a hypothetical, but I think that after visiting the two schools one will find that UNC is the place to be."
 
BUSTED. Also, this is a direct quote from UNC SOM's website:
"A student who obtains a degree in less than four years may apply but should recognize that understanding the human condition and developing good judgment require experience. Without unusual qualifications, questions about breadth of education, maturity, experience, and motivation may put such an applicant at a disadvantage."

Firstly neil100, why were you not aware of this before you applied to UNC? Secondly, is this really such an unreasonable view on unusually young applicants?

Oh holy crap!!!!! I guess that is the reason he didn't get in. HOW IN THE HELL DID I GET IN?????? WOW, no wonder i got rejected from Duke. This makes me feel great!!!. neil you should feel better too. There is SOME reason in this world!!! Also......

Come residency match time, it is a fact that top NIH 40 schools get a plus. And also, the prestige of one's school comes into play (Even if it is small). SDN says tier 1 is 1-25 on USN R. Does this mean UNC is just as prestigious as the higher schools in the eyes of a residency director?
 
This is why you got rejected. This attitude right here. If it is coming through this clearly on this message board, then admissions almost certainly got a whiff of the stench on your application.

UNC like any school accepts the best candidates they can find, and this doesn't mean they pick the ones with the best stats. Volunteer work is part of the process for a reason; they show evidence that someone actually gives a crap about the world around them. Given the numbers of immature people who apply to med school as an ego trip, this strikes me as a very wise policy.

I spent 2 years, full time, as a missionary without having any idea I wanted to go into medicine. I spent 18 months part time as a Spanish/English medical interpreter and it wasn't until several months into that project that I decided on medicine (I was shooting for a PhD program beforehand). The vast majority of the people around me in these projects were there for the right reasons and demostrated their empathy through their actions. Your attempts at judging the intentions of those who have demonstrated far more commitment to the field of medicine that you have are almost as embarrassing as your misspelling of the word noble.

My (likely to be furiously ignored) advice to you: grow up. Go do some volunteer work. Meditate, pray, or do whatever you need to let the teenage angst out. Realize that most of the people that got accepted when you didn't are people who have numbers that are just as good or better than yours, and the ones who aren't better are likely so because they realized that gunning for a few extra points on a GPA or MCAT score are far less important to them than doing something worthwhile for the community, for their intellect, or for a person or group that is important to them. Plus, those people are to a fault far more mature than you... your last post is all the evidence any rational person could need to demonstrate that.

right, so pointing out spelling mistakes is how you plan to characterize who I am. Wow. Do you really think people on this forum proof-read their messages? You might waste your time by doing that but most don't. If they edit, it is because they have left something out. It's not like I am posting on MCAT or USMLE discussion threads. duh!
Also, you have no idea who I am. For all you know, I could be doing this for many reasons. So logically speaking you can't judge who I am or what I had or not had in my application. All you can do is argue based on what I have said and not resort to personal attacks. Btw, good job on downgrading yourself to that level!🙂 So, which is more embarrassing?!

Speaking of spelling mistakes, look at this buddy/pal. " demostrated" um yeah! What's up with that, dude! And please don't edit as it will probably make you look pitiable. But, I won't judge you because I am not that kind of a person. I know that you are intelligent because you got into med school. Please learn to discuss matters objectively rather than letting emotions cloud your judgement. Thanks.

Also, did I every say that everyone who goes abroad for medical trips are doing it for their own cause? I don't see that but of course you do because I am indirectly criticizing what you have done. (Not really, though)
I said that there are many who do it and get in. Trust me. I personally know 3. Many people would attest to this. And why do you even need to go abroad and do these medical trips? Isn't the point of medical school actually to get medical education so that your work is actually helpful
when you do decide to do medical trips. (Which I plan to do during med school). The logic is flawed there. Pre-med opportunities are limited, big time. Look at how the entire world handles its admissions process. They produce excellent and leading physicians in our human society. These schools don't require significant amount of extraneous medical experience because you are suppose to ge that while IN med school.

I can guarantee that most students at UNC have lower stats than their avg. The avg. stats are what they are because OOS (very small percentage)and some IS students pull up the avg. with 3.95s and 37s, 39s, etc. IF only UNC would release the stats of all of their med students. lol. It doesn't mean that the people who currently attend UNC are *****s or idiots. Because it is very difficult to measure intelligence. But, what it does mean is that UNC and other schools should not scrutinize students who are science majors, with really good stats, good ECs (not anything mission-trip like) and have shown commitment to medicine. Some of these schools could and should look at them as possible successful physicians rather than slapping them down. I am not the only one arguing this. I personally know many people, and even doctors (oh yes, and for your information I am involved in very interesting clinical activities because of my interest for science and medicine) who have this viewpoint.

But, of course you won't agree with me since you dare not challenge the very institution that will take you under its wings. Sure my previous post was a bit vocal but most of what I said is the truth. Whether you like it or not.
It's about time this issue is addressed along with addressing all other fiascos and chaos in the US healthcare systems.

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One of the reason I (and many other people) hate this *****ically flawed process is that even with these so called empathetic folks clawing their way into med schools people are seeking other forms of assistance for their medical issues. Today, in the US healthcare system most people don't like their docs because many of them frankly (oh yes talk to pathologists if you really want to learn about medicine) get the diagnosis wrong so many times, order useless tests, give patient's the run around, giving patient's twisted replies in order to comply with silly bs regulations, and helping the filthy rich insurance companies to profit off of normal decent people's hard earned money.
So, if med schools are really about picking the right people who will make for great clinicians then why do these problems occur more and more as time goes on. Logically, it should happen less. New docs are basically taught about drugs, laws, and how to deal with insurance papers along with enough details to make diagnosis. The ones who actually care about the real existence and purpose of medicine (which is to diagnose and cure patients-basically not unecessarily increasing their chances of death when they enter that hospital main lobby) take their own time learning more about medicine, and alternative medicine wisdom of other cultures which actually work. I have tremendous respect for these doctors because they are not only survivors but are in medicine for the right reasons. You will find many of these kinds of docs. But the reality is that you will also find many incompetent and dull doctors. FDA is also to blame big time with poisoning our food with man-made substances. You can never succeed in beating nature, because nature will always no exceptions WILL slap you down.
 
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What the hell is this thread about anymore?

Any one Godwin/Burnett yet?

🤣:wtf::corny:
 
i don't think this argument should be take place in this thread. everyone involved looks silly. the OP wants to know about the quality of UNC. i think we should tell him/her about that.
 
Oh holy crap!!!!! I guess that is the reason he didn't get in. HOW IN THE HELL DID I GET IN?????? WOW, no wonder i got rejected from Duke. This makes me feel great!!!. neil you should feel better too. There is SOME reason in this world!!! Also......

Come residency match time, it is a fact that top NIH 40 schools get a plus. And also, the prestige of one's school comes into play (Even if it is small). SDN says tier 1 is 1-25 on USN R. Does this mean UNC is just as prestigious as the higher schools in the eyes of a residency director?

This is a good question. Can anyone answer this?
 
This is a good question. Can anyone answer this?
They're not going to care.

4 srs, your med school doesn't matter nearly as much as your scores, letters, grades, etc. If your step score doesn't meet requirements and the people who taught you how to be a ~doctor won't back you up, not even hopkins will save you.
 
i don't think this argument should be take place in this thread. everyone involved looks silly. the OP wants to know about the quality of UNC. i think we should tell him/her about that.

Yes it should because the OP and other people who want to apply to UNC next cycle should be informed on how UNC handles its admissions process.
 
Yes it should because the OP and other people who want to apply to UNC next cycle should be informed on how UNC handles its admissions process.
Dude, the amount of butthurt you are projecting is epic.

Look to that.
 
I was going to stay out of this thread, but since no other medical students are chiming in I'll put in my secondhand 2 cents on the school. I do NOT go to UNC but my fiance and best friends do. It's a great school and they love it there for the most part. Someone PMed me a question about UNC, so I figured I'd repost it here. Here are my fiance's pros/cons (he's a 3rd year):

Pros:
-cheap cheap cheap- he's saving about $100k by going to UNC
-good reputation
-decent amount of research going on, though he hasn't gotten involved there with it yet
-1 month elective in the 3rd year with a 3 week vacation in the middle of the year or another 3 week elective (though you have to pay extra if you decide to take an elective during this time)
-he's enjoyed his rotations so far
-in general, a laid back class, albeit with some gunners

Cons:
--the administration is not tremendously responsive to student feedback. He served on the class council his first/second years and there were a few times when the admin brought up changes they'd like to make, the students became upset, yet the changes were made anyway. In one case, they wanted to lengthen the family medicine rotation by taking away 2 weeks of elective time and his class became really upset. They decided instead of not making the changes just to make them for the year after him, basically appeasing his class at the expense of the next year's.
--it is definitely primary-care oriented. That's not to say they don't have strong departments in surgery and other fields because they do, but there is definitely a PC emphasis. You will do 6 week-long experiences at a primary care physician's office in your first two years, which my friends thought were good experiences for a week or two but were excessive. FM is 6 weeks, Peds 8 weeks, IM 8 weeks with an additional 4 weeks of outpatient IM.
--many of your rotations and your week-long experiences will be in other cities in NC (and some in SC). Unless you have a young child, you can expect some to most of your rotations to be away from CH.


If you want an outsider's opinion, there are very, very few schools I would choose to go to over UNC if you're in-state. While going to a Harvard-type may give you a small boost in terms of name recognition nationwide, UNC is absolutely no slouch of a school. If you're in-state, go.
 
right, so pointing out spelling mistakes is how you plan to characterize who I am. Wow. Do you really think people on this forum proof-read their messages?

We're not talking about a problem with proofreading here, kid. We're talking about a problem with general writing ability that makes your 9 on VR appear astronomically lucky.

Please learn to discuss matters objectively rather than letting emotions cloud your judgement. Thanks.

Okay. :laugh:

Also, did I every say that everyone who goes abroad for medical trips are doing it for their own cause?

You criticized the motivations of people who go on mission trips and serve the 3rd world. If you would care to point to the place where you explicitly restricted this criticism to a few individuals or a subset of people who do this sort of volunteer work, then I'd be happy to apologize.

And why do you even need to go abroad and do these medical trips? Isn't the point of medical school actually to get medical education so that your work is actually helpful when you do decide to do medical trips. (Which I plan to do during med school). The logic is flawed there.

That's good that you plan to during med school, but you'd be just as useful now as you will be during your first two years. Volunteer work isn't that different from GPA or MCAT. You think you're intelligent? Prove it on the MCAT. You think you can handle academic rigors? Prove it on your GPA. You think you have a commitment to medicine and service? Prove it by volunteer work. It's a put up or shut up issue, and if you haven't put up, then...

I can guarantee that most students at UNC have lower stats than their avg. The avg. stats are what they are because OOS (very small percentage)and some IS students pull up the avg. with 3.95s and 37s, 39s, etc.

And you know this... how? I'm afraid I'll have to refer you to your own advice, listed above in bold. The couple of med students I know at UNC with below average stats are just barely below average, and have done some pretty incredible stuff in terms of research, volunteer work, or both... and I don't know anyone who is very far below average in both GPA and MCAT.

But, of course you won't agree with me since you dare not challenge the very institution that will take you under its wings.

Heh. I went to UNC as an undergrad. I'm quite aware of its institutional warts, even in the med school. They just don't have anything to do with what you're whining about.

But the reality is that you will also find many incompetent and dull doctors.

And you want to improve this by giving spots in med school to kids who have stellar numbers and (apparently) no life or interpersonal skills?
 
Why is it when UNC's Med School is the topic of discussion that people become bitter? Just even mentioning UNC starts a new round of bickering.

Neil, no disrespect, but I believe this same conversation already ran its course in the UNC secondary thread.
 
UNC is a great school. And I think their admissions process is also great except for the amount of time you have to wait.

I won't make the mistake again of being sucked into the diatribe regarding admissions.
 
Damn Neil....Im a 21 y/o traditional student with stats above UNCs average...science major, nothing too out of the ordinary, no traveling abroad trips.. Maybe you should have just been as awesome as me, and then you wouldn't have any reason to be bitter.\

Question: how would 15 Oosers stats be able to significanly draw up the schools averages?? When the class is 160 and Especially when I know OOSers that got in with less than stellar scores😕
 
This thread is frankly, getting kind of ridiculous.

Dude, the amount of butthurt you are projecting is epic.

Look to that.

Agreed. This guy would have more to stand on if he had been wildly successful at all the schools he interviewed at EXCEPT for UNC. It doesn't make much sense to be singling out UNC for their admissions policies.. is there some kind of vendetta here?
 
We're not talking about a problem with proofreading here, kid. We're talking about a problem with general writing ability that makes your 9 on VR appear astronomically lucky.



Okay. :laugh:



You criticized the motivations of people who go on mission trips and serve the 3rd world. If you would care to point to the place where you explicitly restricted this criticism to a few individuals or a subset of people who do this sort of volunteer work, then I'd be happy to apologize.



That's good that you plan to during med school, but you'd be just as useful now as you will be during your first two years. Volunteer work isn't that different from GPA or MCAT. You think you're intelligent? Prove it on the MCAT. You think you can handle academic rigors? Prove it on your GPA. You think you have a commitment to medicine and service? Prove it by volunteer work. It's a put up or shut up issue, and if you haven't put up, then...



And you know this... how? I'm afraid I'll have to refer you to your own advice, listed above in bold. The couple of med students I know at UNC with below average stats are just barely below average, and have done some pretty incredible stuff in terms of research, volunteer work, or both... and I don't know anyone who is very far below average in both GPA and MCAT.



Heh. I went to UNC as an undergrad. I'm quite aware of its institutional warts, even in the med school. They just don't have anything to do with what you're whining about.



And you want to improve this by giving spots in med school to kids who have stellar numbers and (apparently) no life or interpersonal skills?

Man you are doing a good job of proving me right. You keep criticizing me personally because you have no other option. Again, good job on downgrading yourself to an even new low. Pointing out my VR score. Wow. oohhhhh. I am scared and insulted. Can you spank me, like now! please my step-parent.🙂

You know people like you just prove my point about reality and honesty. Most people are comfortable in their own little bubble of what they think is the reality. And when someone tries to give them a reality check. Oh boy then that person resorts to personal attacks. It just shows the low amount of patience you have and your hate for reality. Pointing out people's flaws doesn't make you any bigger and the other person any smaller. Please remember this. You need to be discussing the issue rather than resoting to personal attacks.


And by institution I meant medicine and not UNC.

And oh yes that would improve this. But you wouldn't see it this way. Not just stellar numbers but having a genuine interest and determination in medicine. These students are turned down one after another. The lucky one gets the break.

GET WELL SOON, PAL!
 
This thread is frankly, getting kind of ridiculous.

Dude, the amount of butthurt you are projecting is epic.

Look to that.

Agreed. There would be more to stand on if he had been successful at all the schools he interviewed at EXCEPT for UNC. Then his argument singling out UNC for their admissions policies would at least make more sense. Won't go any further than that.
 
We're not talking about a problem with proofreading here, kid. We're talking about a problem with general writing ability that makes your 9 on VR appear astronomically lucky.



Okay. :laugh:



You criticized the motivations of people who go on mission trips and serve the 3rd world. If you would care to point to the place where you explicitly restricted this criticism to a few individuals or a subset of people who do this sort of volunteer work, then I'd be happy to apologize.



That's good that you plan to during med school, but you'd be just as useful now as you will be during your first two years. Volunteer work isn't that different from GPA or MCAT. You think you're intelligent? Prove it on the MCAT. You think you can handle academic rigors? Prove it on your GPA. You think you have a commitment to medicine and service? Prove it by volunteer work. It's a put up or shut up issue, and if you haven't put up, then...



And you know this... how? I'm afraid I'll have to refer you to your own advice, listed above in bold. The couple of med students I know at UNC with below average stats are just barely below average, and have done some pretty incredible stuff in terms of research, volunteer work, or both... and I don't know anyone who is very far below average in both GPA and MCAT.



Heh. I went to UNC as an undergrad. I'm quite aware of its institutional warts, even in the med school. They just don't have anything to do with what you're whining about.



And you want to improve this by giving spots in med school to kids who have stellar numbers and (apparently) no life or interpersonal skills?

Man you are doing a good job of proving me right. You keep criticizing me personally because you have no other option. Again, good job on downgrading yourself to an even new low. Pointing out my VR score. Wow. oohhhhh. I am scared and insulted. Can you spank me, like now! please my step-parent.🙂

You know people like you just prove my point about reality and honesty. Most people are comfortable in their own little bubble of what they think is the reality. And when someone tries to give them a reality check. Oh boy then that person resorts to personal attacks. It just shows the low amount of patience you have and your hate for reality. Pointing out people's flaws doesn't make you any bigger and the other person any smaller. Please remember this. You need to be discussing the issue rather than resoting to personal attacks.


And by institution I meant medicine and not UNC.

And oh yes that would improve this. But you wouldn't see it this way. Not just stellar numbers but having a genuine interest and determination in medicine. These students are turned down one after another. The lucky one gets the break.

GET WELL SOON, PAL!
 
Man you are doing a good job of proving me right. You keep criticizing me personally because you have no other option.

You're the one who made it about yourself. You've yet to raise a salient criticism of the admissions process worth discussing, so we're talking about you by default.

Again, good job on downgrading yourself to an even new low. Pointing out my VR score. Wow. oohhhhh. I am scared and insulted. Can you spank me, like now! please my step-parent.🙂

I wish this site had a popcorn emoticon.

You know people like you just prove my point about reality and honesty. Most people are comfortable in their own little bubble of what they think is the reality. And when someone tries to give them a reality check. Oh boy then that person resorts to personal attacks. It just shows the low amount of patience you have and your hate for reality. Pointing out people's flaws doesn't make you any bigger and the other person any smaller. Please remember this. You need to be discussing the issue rather than resoting to personal attacks.

What issue? The one that keeps you out of medical school? We've discussed this ad nauseum.

genuine interest and determination in medicine

Prove it.
 
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