Will Midwifery experience hurt my app?

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I've been looking and applying for a new job for some time now but the economy is tough. I want to find something in a medical office if possible (reception). I have an interview tomorrow that look hopeful. When I told my mom about it she said that there is a big rift between physicians and midwifery, and that the job might hurt me rather than help me where my application is concerned. (The schools I interviewed at want to see more clinical exp - shadowing etc). What do you guys think? I wasn't really aware of a rift that could hurt me... It's a medical office, it may be a different KIND of medical experience but it's something (I'm still shadowing). Any thoughts on this?
 
I've been looking and applying for a new job for some time now but the economy is tough. I want to find something in a medical office if possible (reception). I have an interview tomorrow that look hopeful. When I told my mom about it she said that there is a big rift between physicians and midwifery, and that the job might hurt me rather than help me where my application is concerned. (The schools I interviewed at want to see more clinical exp - shadowing etc). What do you guys think? I wasn't really aware of a rift that could hurt me... It's a medical office, it may be a different KIND of medical experience but it's something (I'm still shadowing). Any thoughts on this?

I've only heard bad things aboud midwifes. Sorry. From what I understand, they're typically used by expectant parents who want "natural" home births. Needless to say, OB/GYNs want their patients in the hospital under their care/supervision. A midwife does not have the training to deliver a problem baby. The difference in training and expertise is enormous.
 
There are two different kinds of midwives, lay and nurse. Which one the office you are interviewing with is makes a big difference.

That's true, I think OB/GYNs have a rift with the lay (witch doctor) ones
 
I don't see how medical training and experience could hurt an app, issues between doctors and midwives or not. Would it be preferable for the women wanting home births to simply not have any help, then? Something is better then nothing.

Also, OP, if you're doing reception at the front desk I would think it would just be more of a job to put on your app and not clinical experience, so the type of office shouldn't really matter. I'm not sure though...?
 
There are two different kinds of midwives, lay and nurse. Which one the office you are interviewing with is makes a big difference.

I do believe that it's a nurse office. The Midwives are Nurse Practitioners. I'm not sure if all of them are, but at least some of them.

http://www.genevawoodsbirthcenter.net/

I don't see how medical training and experience could hurt an app, issues between doctors and midwives or not. Would it be preferable for the women wanting home births to simply not have any help, then? Something is better then nothing.

Also, OP, if you're doing reception at the front desk I would think it would just be more of a job to put on your app and not clinical experience, so the type of office shouldn't really matter. I'm not sure though...?

Working in a medical office will give me clinical experience from the administrative side - supplemental to shadowing. Experience in medical records, exposure to a medical office setting and structure, and hopefully at least exposure if not expierience in, billing, insurance, HIPPA, etc. 🙂
 
I don't see how medical training and experience could hurt an app, issues between doctors and midwives or not. Would it be preferable for the women wanting home births to simply not have any help, then? Something is better then nothing.

Also, OP, if you're doing reception at the front desk I would think it would just be more of a job to put on your app and not clinical experience, so the type of office shouldn't really matter. I'm not sure though...?

It's not just an "issue," it's moms and babies dying because (a) the parents are deluded into thinking a home birth is better, and (b) lay midwives don't have any real training.

But OP, at a medical practice, this sounds like it will be great. Enjoy.
 
I've not read it in years but I seem to recall a book I've previously recommended, The Lazarus Case Life and Death Issues in Neonatal Intensive Care by John D. Lantos, MD, contains a chapter or two that discuss midwives and their conflict with physicians. Try the chapter on home births for starters.

I suspect that midwives who have an office are nurse midwives which are a different category than lay midwives.

In any case, nothing wrong with having a job and being able to articulate the issues between one profession and another.
 
It's not just an "issue," it's moms and babies dying because (a) the parents are deluded into thinking a home birth is better, and (b) lay midwives don't have any real training.

But OP, at a medical practice, this sounds like it will be great. Enjoy.

Yeah it looks like this is an actual facility where people give birth with medical equipment on site not just somebody showing up to a woman's bedroom and hoping for the best.
 
It's not just an "issue," it's moms and babies dying because (a) the parents are deluded into thinking a home birth is better, and (b) lay midwives don't have any real training.

But OP, at a medical practice, this sounds like it will be great. Enjoy.

A mom can choose what she wants. We don't want the government controlling every aspect of our lives, right?
 
Yeah it looks like this is an actual facility where people give birth with medical equipment on site not just somebody showing up to a woman's bedroom and hoping for the best.

http://news.discovery.com/human/babys-death-raises-questions-about-midwife-safety-110512.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...tigation-in-md/2011/05/11/AFlrp22G_story.html

I am aware that babies die in hospitals. But if you had to choose between an MD/DO and a full nursing staff at the hospital, and a and a high school dropout/wannabe nurse in your home, which would you prefer?
 
I've not read it in years but I seem to recall a book I've previously recommended, The Lazarus Case Life and Death Issues in Neonatal Intensive Care by John D. Lantos, MD, contains a chapter or two that discuss midwives and their conflict with physicians. Try the chapter on home births for starters.

I suspect that midwives who have an office are nurse midwives which are a different category than lay midwives.

In any case, nothing wrong with having a job and being able to articulate the issues between one profession and another.

I can't speak to the first two paragraphs, but I'm under the impression that any job that puts you in contact with patients (besides, perhaps, a nursing position) is generally a good thing in terms of helping with medical school admissions. The most important thing is, of course, to understand the differences between your position and that of a physician and to be able to verbalize why you wouldn't simply, say, become a nurse practitioner, since that's the group you'll be working alongside.
 
I delivered with a CNM because I couldn't find an OB in my area that was comfortable letting me go past my due date (I wanted a VBAC and was a good candidate for one). The group had a 95% VBAC success rate and everything went off without a hitch. I delivered at probably the nicest hospital in my state, met the on-call OB in case I needed any obstetric intervention and felt totally safe the entire time. It was an absolutely fantastic experience, actually. Aside from the fact that she couldn't section me, I noticed no difference in the care that I received, except that the CNMs were able to sit down with me for as long as I had questions (I remember one appointment lasted for over 45 minutes) when OBs usually don't have that luxury. There were OBs in the practice too and it seemed that everyone got along very well/was very respectful of each other's profession.

That being said, my baby required special care for meconium aspiration. I can't understand how those who deliver at home with lay midwives can take such a dangerous risk. Too much can go wrong too quickly. For the sake of my child, if not for myself, I would have elected the repeat section if I couldn't find a practitioner that agreed to be fully supportive of the conditions that I wanted before ever considering delivering at home. What's even scarier is the UC (unassisted childbirth) movement. No lay midwife or doula even, just mom and dad at home. I know of someone who did this with a twin pregnancy, and the babies wound up having TTTS. Even though she failed to recognize the need for prenatal care (second pregnancy too), she did get her daughters to the hospital. Somehow, they both survived. The thing that I found most interesting about this extremely selfish woman is that her father was a physician. It's like she had daddy issues and was rebelling against him.
 
A mom can choose what she wants. We don't want the government controlling every aspect of our lives, right?
Who said anything about the government controlling anything? One can be absolutely opposed to something and do everything they can to encourage people not do it while still opposing any government intrusion.....
 
Who said anything about the government controlling anything? One can be absolutely opposed to something and do everything they can to encourage people not do it while still opposing any government intrusion.....

Lol it was a reference to an argument sotto voce and I had a few days ago. It was me being sarcastic.
 
I can't speak to the first two paragraphs, but I'm under the impression that any job that puts you in contact with patients (besides, perhaps, a nursing position) is generally a good thing in terms of helping with medical school admissions. The most important thing is, of course, to understand the differences between your position and that of a physician and to be able to verbalize why you wouldn't simply, say, become a nurse practitioner, since that's the group you'll be working alongside.


Thank you, that was particularly helpful.

Thanks to all for the input. 🙂 I ended up getting the job...BUT I actually ended up getting another (surprising) job offer that was a better fit. It's at a family practice office (run by NPs). I'm really excited. 😀👍 I think it will be a perfect fit! :xf:
 
One of my OB attendings told me there are a few things OBs do that have been shown to improve outcomes.

1) Treating GBS with penicillin (probably the biggest)

2) Rhogam for Rh- mothers.

3) recognition and treatment of preeclampsia/eclampsia.

4) treatment and diagnosis of gestational diabetes.

5) c/s in some circumstances.

Babies want to come out, they're not that hard to deliver.



They don't use fetal monitoring in Europe because it hasn't shown to improve outcomes.
 
From your link, this is their philosophy of care:

"We believe that pregnancy is a natural state, and that medical intervention is only necessary when that condition changes. We use intervention (e.g. continuous fetal monitoring, IV’s, episiotomies, induction) during labor and delivery only when indicated, and not routinely.

We are with our patients starting from the time that they are in active labor, whether at the birth center or the hospital. Particularly in the hospital setting, we believe that it is important to provide advocacy and support for our patients throughout labor."

Hopefully some folks more familiar with admissions can address whether allying oneself with NPs and DNPs (especially via work in an all-nurse family practice office) is a turn-off or is just good clinical experience.

I see nothing wrong with that philosophy. Truly, I wish some physicians would take some of it to heart. I had a pretty unpleasant induction/C-section experience with my daughter that I am pretty sure was unnecessary from the get-go, and like mcrechio, a wonderful VBAC with the hospital-based CNM I saw for my son. If I do ultimately decide on Ob/Gyn (which is quite likely) and do not subspecialize, I intend to having CNMs in my office or, at the very least, serve as referring physician to those in their own practice.

One of my OB attendings told me there are a few things OBs do that have been shown to improve outcomes.

1) Treating GBS with penicillin (probably the biggest)

2) Rhogam for Rh- mothers.

3) recognition and treatment of preeclampsia/eclampsia.

4) treatment and diagnosis of gestational diabetes.

5) c/s in some circumstances.

Babies want to come out, they're not that hard to deliver.

They don't use fetal monitoring in Europe because it hasn't shown to improve outcomes.

Maybe I missed who/what you were responding to in this post, but 1-4 were all covered by my CNM during my prenatal care. There was an OB in-house throughout my entire labor to C-section me if necessary, but it wasn't. The only doctor I saw the whole time was the anesthesiologist (AKA saint) that did my epidural and I didn't see an OB until the day after when she was rounding through the maternity rooms. To be clear, there is a world of difference between an uncertified lay midwife and a CNM with a license.

And personally, I would agree with the European docs. I'm pretty sure there's been a fair amount of research that shows it doesn't do much to improve outcomes, just raise the amount and severity of interventions. I feel this way about my own experience with my daughter (I was continuously monitored because I was being induced), as well, and I know many other women that felt the same. I had to be on CFM with my son as well because he was a VBAC (fetal bradycardia or prolonged decels are the most reliable indication of rupture), but I didn't mind it at all. The staff at that hospital encouraged me to be out of bed, standing or on a ball, whatever was most comfortable for me to labor. Where I had my daughter, they acted annoyed if shifted in bed and they had to adjust the leads on me at all, and I was never asked if I wanted to get up except to use the bathroom. No bueno.

Anyway, OP, I think this would be a fine clinical experience, and something I would really enjoy personally. Good luck with whatever you decide. 🙂
 
There are many doctors that USE midwives! Remember that an OB is trained for surgery- natural birth doesn't need an OB, just a trained maternal health practitioner. There are NOT two kinds of midwives- there are multiple depending on the state/country you are in. Lay midwifves typically have training through an apprenticeship. Certified Professional Midwives have completed strict training guidelines approved by NARM and have taken a certification exam after practicing under a preceptor. Certified Nurse Midwives can choose to practice in a homebirth setting but typically have more of a medical focus.
I think it really depends where you're applying to and what experience the reviewers have with midwives. I'll tell you I worked with several doctors at NIH who used midwives for their own births,
-Jill
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