Will reimbursements be slashed by the incoming administration?

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Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and his advisers are considering an overhaul of Medicare’s decades-old payment formula, a bid to shift the health system’s incentives toward primary care and prevention, said four people who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private deliberations.
The discussions are in their early stages, the people said, and have involved a plan to review the thousands of billing codes that determine how much physicians get paid for performing procedures and services.

The coding system tends to reward health-care providers for surgeries and other costly procedures. It has been accused of steering physicians to become specialists because they will be paid more, while financial incentives are different in other countries, where more physicians go into primary care — and health outcomes are better.

Although policymakers have spent years warning about Medicare’s billing codes and their skewed incentives, the matter has received little national attention given the challenge of explaining the complex issues to the public, the technicalities of billing codes and the financial interests for industry groups accustomed to how payments are set.

“It’s a very low-salience issue,” said Miriam Laugesen, a Columbia University professor who has written a book, “Fixing Medical Prices,” about Medicare’s physician payments. “The prominent stakeholders in this area would probably prefer to keep it that way.”

Kennedy was selected this month by President-elect Donald Trump to lead the Department of Health and Human Services and has been drawing up plans to roll out his “Make America Healthy Again” agenda, a set of ideas to reduce the causes of chronic disease and childhood illness. The position requires Senate confirmation.

A spokesperson for Kennedy did not respond to a request for comment.
Medicare’s billing codes are shaped by the American Medical Association, which represents more than 250,000 physicians. The lobbying group oversees a panel of several dozen physicians — known as the AMA/Specialty Society RVS Update Committee, more commonly referred to as the RUC — who study the resources needed for each medical service and issue recommendations to the federal government. While those recommendations are not binding, federal officials overwhelmingly accept them and use them to set reimbursement for doctors’ duties.

The panel’s recommendations have historically been skewed by misleading estimates of how physicians spend their time, according to a 2013 Washington Post investigation. For instance, The Post found that the RUC repeatedly inflated the amount of time a doctor needed to perform a procedure.

The AMA also collects millions of dollars in revenue from its work to develop and recommend billing codes, with the lobbying group conducting trainings, selling books and charging royalties.

The AMA declined to comment.

Lawmakers have spent decades questioning why physicians play a role in setting their own federal payments. Trent Lott, the Mississippi Republican who served as Senate minority leader, in 2001 took aim at the lobbying group’s influence, calling to strip the AMA’s copyright for the codes.
Senators say those concerns have persisted.

“I’ve long been concerned with this secretive AMA committee setting their own payment rates from Medicare,” Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Massachusetts) said in a statement to The Post on Wednesday. “It’s just plain unethical — these recommendations should be made in the best interest of patients and taxpayers, not a handful of well-connected insiders.”

Sens. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-Rhode Island) and Bill Cassidy (R-Louisiana) also have launched an effort to overhaul physician payments, asking for feedback this year on creating a federal committee — separate from the RUC — to advise on billing codes. Cassidy is the incoming chairman of the Senate health committee.

Kennedy and his aides are looking to work with the AMA on changes to the billing codes, said one of the people familiar with the discussions.
The medical association has said that some criticisms of its process are outdated and that hospitals, health insurers and other industry representatives provide input as well to Medicare that shapes payment rates for those organizations.

STAT News first reported that Kennedy and his aides were discussing changes to Medicare payments. Any federal attempt to overhaul billions of dollars in annual payments to health-care providers appears destined to spark an intense lobbying effort to stymie the changes or shift them to reward certain procedures, experts said.
The billing codes are implemented by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, commonly known as CMS. Trump on Tuesday selected Mehmet Oz, a cardiothoracic surgeon and longtime TV personality, to lead CMS.

“Our CMS codes embed a system that waits for Americans to get sick and profits,” Calley Means, a Kennedy adviser, posted Wednesday on X, commenting on Oz’s selection. If Kennedy and Oz are confirmed, they would play significant roles in reshaping the Medicare coding system.

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Barking up the wrong tree

Cause we all know where all the real Medicare payments are going to.

It’s going to the ones who wrote Obamacare care
Insurers
Hospitals
Big pharma
 
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Medicare already doesn't pay us hardly anything. Will a reduction even be noticed? Just don't touch those facility fees!
 
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How about they offer us $XYZ and instead of being required to opt out if we don’t like it, we just bill $500/hr in 15 minute increments (and keeping track of that time ourselves with no auditing or oversight of course) like all these lawyers in Congress?
 
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It sounds like surgeons and procedure based docs should be more worried. The downstream effects could mean lower surgical and procedural volume. If procedures become reimbursed less in favor of preventive and chronic care then anesthesia would almost certainly see a decline in pay.

I don’t hate it. The current system is a disaster and needs to be blown up.
 
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It sounds like surgeons and procedure based docs should be more worried. The downstream effects could mean lower surgical and procedural volume. If procedures become reimbursed less in favor of preventive and chronic care then anesthesia would almost certainly see a decline in pay.

I don’t hate it. The current system is a disaster and needs to be blown up.
As if a better paid primary care doc is going to have any influence on people’s health? Let’s face it, there are large segments of the population in this country that eat $hit and never exercise. They simply don’t care to. This is where a vast majority of disease originates and no amount of primary care will change that.
 
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If they’re serious about improving the nations health the government needs to stop subsidizing corn/grain, and maybe don’t deport all the people that keep the shelves stocked with fruits and vegetables. Training more PCPs won’t fix jack.
 
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Disband CMS. Let the free market decide what people are willing to pay for surgery. People want surgery. That will never change. They don't want to change their daily habits. They want a quick fix. The demand will always be there.
 
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As if a better paid primary care doc is going to have any influence on people’s health? Let’s face it, there are large segments of the population in this country that eat $hit and never exercise. They simply don’t care to. This is where a vast majority of disease originates and no amount of primary care will change that.

Of course it won’t do anything in that regard. I’m not an idiot. However, we spend a fnck-ton on healthcare in what is often a perverse system where unnecessary, futile, or ineffective procedures are incentivized. On any given week there are a significant number or procedures that I participate in that are probably unnecessary for one reason or another. Do I think the sole driver of those procedures is always money? Not necessarily, but it certainly greases the chain for it.
 
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Disband CMS. Let the free market decide what people are willing to pay for surgery. People want surgery. That will never change. They don't want to change their daily habits. They want a quick fix. The demand will always be there.

I think you would be unpleasantly surprised on how much people are willing to pay for any given procedure. Orthopedics, alone, would dry up overnight. You think people are going to pay thousands for a shoulder scope because their shoulder is a little stiff?
 
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If they’re serious about improving the nations health the government needs to stop subsidizing corn/grain, and maybe don’t deport all the people that keep the shelves stocked with fruits and vegetables. Training more PCPs won’t fix jack.


We’ll need to subsidize even more when POTUS ignites another trade war and China buys even less soy and grain from the US. During the last Trump admin, China started sourcing a larger proportion of soy imports from Brazil.
 
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I think you would be unpleasantly surprised on how much people are willing to pay for any given procedure. Orthopedics, alone, would dry up overnight. You think people are going to pay thousands for a shoulder scope because their shoulder is a little stiff?
Indeed. No more knee replacements when the patient is wheelchair bound and the leg in question weighs more than me
 
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We just got our group health insurance rates for 2025; non high deductible family plan is $45k
 
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Disband CMS. Let the free market decide what people are willing to pay for surgery. People want surgery. That will never change. They don't want to change their daily habits. They want a quick fix. The demand will always be there.


Cosmetic surgery and aesthetics markets are the closest thing we have to a free market. They tend to dry up when the economy is bad.
 
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We just got our group health insurance rates for 2025; non high deductible family plan is $45k


I will never complain about the cost of health insurance. A few years ago I had a hospitalization that exceeded my annual take home income. My current medication costs continue to exceed my annual take home income and that will likely continue indefinitely. Insurance pays for all of it once I meet my deductible. You never know when you’ll become a health insurance superuser.
 
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Medicare already doesn't pay us hardly anything. Will a reduction even be noticed? Just don't touch those facility fees!
Ain't that the truth. We became hospital employed three years ago. Nobody is complaining after being under the thumbs of KKR and predecessors for 7-8 years. We can't be undercut, can't be replaced (no you can't find 300 locums providers by Monday), and we maintained the bulk of the way we do things including daily/monthly scheduling, compensation, and time off. Relationship with the hospital is excellent - they want X number of rooms, we tell them how many people it takes to run them (and retain them!) on the schedule they want. We're not the highest paid in our market but definitely aren't the lowest, and the benefits package is great.
 
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We just got our group health insurance rates for 2025; non high deductible family plan is $45k
Wait. What?

As a hospital system employee our family HSA plan premium cost is $9700 per year. Employer contributes $1000 free to us too. 3K deductible and 10% coinsurance. How is yours at $45K a year??
 
Wait. What?

As a hospital system employee our family HSA plan premium cost is $9700 per year. Employer contributes $1000 free to us too. 3K deductible and 10% coinsurance. How is yours at $45K a year??
The employer is probably paying a lot of your premium, your premium is subsidized. They also probably have way more negotiating power than my sad little anesthesia group.
 
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As if a better paid primary care doc is going to have any influence on people’s health? Let’s face it, there are large segments of the population in this country that eat $hit and never exercise. They simply don’t care to. This is where a vast majority of disease originates and no amount of primary care will change that.
Sure it will. Give me cheap Mounjaro and I can do wonders.
 
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The Washington Post repeatedly writes these hitpieces about greedy physicians as if physician salaries don't make a small fraction of healthcare spending - for the people who actually provide care. They never mention that physician salaries make up only 8% of US healthcare costs. You would think that with their ethos they would be the first ones pointing out that the hospitals, pharma, and other middlemen consume vastly more. They seem to emphasize this angle repeatedly over the years in comparison to other major papers for reasons that escape me.
 
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Indeed. No more knee replacements when the patient is wheelchair bound and the leg in question weighs more than me
TAVR patients would like a word! And a million dollar ECMO stay with bridge to nowhere. All that additional Medicare tax doing wonders for the country
 
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The Washington Post repeatedly writes these hitpieces about greedy physicians as if physician salaries don't make a small fraction of healthcare spending - for the people who actually provide care. They never mention that physician salaries make up only 8% of US healthcare costs. You would think that with their ethos they would be the first ones pointing out that the hospitals, pharma, and other middlemen consume vastly more. They seem to emphasize this angle repeatedly over the years in comparison to other major papers for reasons that escape me.
WaPo is owned by BigTech of course any high paid professional outside of tech will be overpaid
 
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WaPo is owned by BigTech of course any high paid professional outside of tech will be overpaid

More generally, mainstream media is owned by rich billionaires who use the media as a tool to distract and generate consent of the populace as they consolidate wealth and power. All media is untrustworthy.
 
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WaPo is owned by BigTech of course any high paid professional outside of tech will be overpaid
It’s always refreshing to know if you aren’t a member of a narrow tech elite that your life is effectively meaningless and without value
 
TAVR patients would like a word! And a million dollar ECMO stay with bridge to nowhere. All that additional Medicare tax doing wonders for the country
a tavr valve is like 20k just by itself, plus everything else that goes into it. if it was free market only, then prices would prohibit anyone from actually getting a procedure.

i already have patients that cancel or delay testing and procedures due to deductible; if it were all cash pay, we'd all be making like 50-75% less money easily. might be more lucrative to be a walmart manager than a physician.
 
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a tavr valve is like 20k just by itself, plus everything else that goes into it. if it was free market only, then prices would prohibit anyone from actually getting a procedure.

i already have patients that cancel or delay testing and procedures due to deductible; if it were all cash pay, we'd all be making like 50-75% less money easily. might be more lucrative to be a walmart manager than a physician.
Hard to say for sure. Plenty of cash only docs do quite well
 
a tavr valve is like 20k just by itself, plus everything else that goes into it. if it was free market only, then prices would prohibit anyone from actually getting a procedure.

i already have patients that cancel or delay testing and procedures due to deductible; if it were all cash pay, we'd all be making like 50-75% less money easily. might be more lucrative to be a walmart manager than a physician.
Maybe you would. Plenty of patients pay well for anesthesia services out of pocket. The problem is we have too many doctors and that’s only the case because we do exponentially more surgery compared to any other modern country
 
Maybe you would. Plenty of patients pay well for anesthesia services out of pocket. The problem is we have too many doctors and that’s only the case because we do exponentially more surgery compared to any other modern country
We have less doctors per capita than most other developed countries.
 
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The employer is probably paying a lot of your premium, your premium is subsidized. They also probably have way more negotiating power than my sad little anesthesia group.
health insurance premiums varies by state. You may be in a state that mandates even more than the minimum required by Obamacare. Plus has less insurance

Saying that. $3800/month for non high deductible is within the high end of premiums for a family of 4-5.

Unfortunately small groups get killed. The state or federal employees. There is really no difference in terms of family plays for a family of 2 or a family of 10. But for a small group. A family of 6 is more than a family of 2. Just the way healthcare works for small business.

Obamacare only dictates the employer mandated 70% forced subsidy for the employee only (and does not force employer to subsidize the family members). This is called the “family glitch”. Biden directed the HHS to “fix” the family glitch for the marketplace for 2024 (a full 10 years after Obamacare launched) to subsidize individuals on the marketplace. But Biden has zero control over the ACA. Thus employers are under no obligation to subsidized family members 2-10.
 
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Sure it will. Give me cheap Mounjaro and I can do wonders.
Not a wonder drug. I know, I’m on it. I lost quite a bit on it but you need to actively make healthy choices. There is significant tachyphylaxis after a few months on the drug.
 
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Not a wonder drug. I know, I’m on it. I lost quite a bit on it but you need to actively make healthy choices. There is significant tachyphylaxis after a few months on the drug.

No one talks about the tachyphylaxis. If this is true, these drugs are truly just band-aids.
 
No one talks about the tachyphylaxis. If this is true, these drugs are truly just band-aids.
Many gain it back after.

But it can definitely accelerate weight loss as part of a life change
 
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Ain't that the truth. We became hospital employed three years ago. Nobody is complaining after being under the thumbs of KKR and predecessors for 7-8 years. We can't be undercut, can't be replaced (no you can't find 300 locums providers by Monday), and we maintained the bulk of the way we do things including daily/monthly scheduling, compensation, and time off. Relationship with the hospital is excellent - they want X number of rooms, we tell them how many people it takes to run them (and retain them!) on the schedule they want. We're not the highest paid in our market but definitely aren't the lowest, and the benefits package is great.
That has been my experience. Unfortunately my market has yet to accept this fully.
 
Maybe you would. Plenty of patients pay well for anesthesia services out of pocket. The problem is we have too many doctors and that’s only the case because we do exponentially more surgery compared to any other modern country
I mean you literally just made the case that actually most procedures wouldn't happen. There's only a glut of doctors if we went cash pay because the overall volume would plummet. It's with insurance and specifically Medicare that we have the surgical volumes that we have currently.
 
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Is primary care access really a problem? Seems like there are apns everywhere.

Should we flip the model and have apns doing neurosurgery and neurosurgeons prescribing metformin and lisinopril?
 
Is primary care access really a problem? Seems like there are apns everywhere.

Should we flip the model and have apns doing neurosurgery and neurosurgeons prescribing metformin and lisinopril?
Yes. I'm booked out for new patients 4-6 months, follow up appointments 6 weeks.

Midlevels don't count.
 
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