Worth mentioning I'm first-authoring a manuscript in progress?

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I am working on a paper that I will be submitting to a peer-reviewed journal but it most likely won't be done by the time I submit my application. Is it worth mentioning that I'm writing this paper in the description of my research activity?
 
If I saw it on your app I'd view it as padding to be honest. The paper isn't submitted yet, let alone accepted.
 
You should describe what you are doing in the research activity. There is little reason to mention that you are currently working on a manuscript. It doesn't mean anything to anyone. You should read this thread from earlier today:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...-much-does-publication-status-matter.1190849/

Publications are impressive, few applicants have them, even fewer have first authorship. But, publications only count once it is accepted, everything before that point is meaningless. That doesn't mean that the research experience is meaningless. It means that nobody really knows what "in progress" or "in revision" means and it isn't a marker of production.
 
I just opened up Word, typed in a title (Characterization of my favorite protein) and an authorship line for my current research project

(Goro_____and [student] ED) plus our contact info.

That's also a first author MS in preparation.

So no, don't do it, because any fool can say that they're doing it, and be truthful about it as well.

The MS only counts when it's "accepted for publication", "in press" or "published".




I am working on a paper that I will be submitting to a peer-reviewed journal but it most likely won't be done by the time I submit my application. Is it worth mentioning that I'm writing this paper in the description of my research activity?
 
A publication that I'm listed as one of the authors (not first author), has been through 4 journals since May of last year, onto the 5 journal for review. Sort of feel bad for my graduate student, this was the culmination of 4 years worth of his genetics work. Getting published is hard these days!!
 
I just opened up Word, typed in a title (Characterization of my favorite protein) and an authorship line for my current research project

(Goro_____and [student] ED) plus our contact info.

That's also a first author MS in preparation.

So no, don't do it, because any fool can say that they're doing it, and be truthful about it as well.

The MS only counts when it's "accepted for publication", "in press" or "published".

What if the paper is under revision? Would that also be like padding the CV?
 
If a person is second author out of 2 authors and the PI would that still look impressive or they looking at first authorship. @Goro @mimelim .. Also Does the impact factor of the journal matter ?
 
What if the paper is under revision? Would that also be like padding the CV?

That is padding the CV. Wait until your paper has gone through revisions and has been accepted. You can include a paper once it's an accepted manuscript waiting for journal publication (such as online publication before the formal volume comes out)
 
If a person is second author out of 2 authors and the PI would that still look impressive or they looking at first authorship. @Goro @mimelim .. Also Does the impact factor of the journal matter ?

You can include 2nd authorship but it won't really look the same as a first author (that isn't to say it's not impressive). Impact factor will play a role but not to the degree you think.
 
If a person is second author out of 2 authors and the PI would that still look impressive or they looking at first authorship. @Goro @mimelim .. Also Does the impact factor of the journal matter ? The one I was in is 1.794 and I wonder if that would be a problem ..

Most pre-meds do research. Most do not have publications of any sort. Thus, any type of publication is worth noting, regardless of authorship.

Regarding authorship, all someone knows about a paper is the following: (some exceptions, depends on lab/journal, but for the most part...)
#1 The first author is the person overall responsible for the project. They aren't the most senior, but it is "their project". Theoretically, they are the one that shepherded the project to get published. In many things, they were involved from start to finish. But, sometimes they are simply the one that picked up an orphaned project or a stalled project and took it over the finish line.
#2 The last author is the senior author, head of lab, or ideally who is mentoring the project. It is generally understood that they may have had a lot of day to day impact on the project, but they are equally likely to have simply provided the guidance and mentorship that allowed the project to go to completion.

Outside of those two, you really have no idea what the others did. A second of three authors could have been the random pre-med student that contributed 3% of total contribution, or it could be the co-resident/grad student that put in 30+% of the work. There is just no way of knowing. Still valuable on an application, but it is simply not the same as first authorship.

Regarding impact factor, name recognition helps. When you say Nature, Science, Cell for basic science or Lancet, NEJM, JAMA for clinical, people notice. But, again, more relevant for the other authors than the student middle authors.
 
I was in a similar situation last cycle. I mentioned it-- can't hurt!
 
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