would this be too superficial?

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hey guys,

i'm starting my research position soon (that's what i'll be doing for my gap year) and i was wondering if it would be too superficial and assuming to tell my lab supervisor that one of my goals was to get published within the year. my friend advised my that i should make these intentions clear or else they'll just stick me with some trivial tasks, but isn't this a little too straightforward?

any comments are welcome. thanks in advance.
 
At this point, you're stuck with the research position you're in, but the reality is there's a lot of "luck" involved in getting a pub out of a single year. I put luck in quotes, because there are ways to shave the dice, e.g. take a look at the papers published by the lab, and see where students appear, if at all. There are some profs who don't even put their post-docs in the author list (you find them in the acknowledgements!). If you're in it for a publication, that's not where to go.

All that said, maybe you're in a lab where the PI isn't totally against it, and where there are appropriate projects for someone at your level, with a single year to commit (it's not very long, actually). So, here is some advice

1. Your PI probably won't get that much out of you as far as real scientific thought; therefore, you need to be a good technician, first and foremost. DO YOUR SCUT! Your PI will be far more responsive to you telling him/her that you'd like to stay late or come in early to do your own project, then to pay you for bumbling around the lab for a year doing 'research'.

2. Keep your head down and feel out the lab for a few weeks before you ask whether you can get a publication. Some PIs get deeply offended by a pre-med who is just there to fill up their AMCAS, ERAS, etc.
2. a. If the lab publishes three papers a year total, and has only three grad students, you're unlikely to have a first authored paper.
2. b. If experiments involve a large number of people and/or collaborators, you're unlikely to wind up in the author list.
2. c. If papers have a long turn-around (i.e., work done in the lab doesn't get finalized and published until a couple of years after the project starts), you're liable to fall off the author list during the revision process.
2. d. Physician-scientists are far more understanding of the desire for publications by a pre-med than are pure scientists.

Good luck with your glide year. Be a good team player, whatever happens.

Anka
 
Try to make a good impression in the first month that you're in there. After you know that you've got the PI's attention, then ask if you can get started on your own project. It's not going to happen unless you show that you want it. But sometimes, a year is not enough time.
 
Yeah, even if you do get your own project, you are going need a bit of luck to get publishable results in a year. Many grad students don't publish till later on because your first couple months are going to be a lot of learning. Your best bet may be to get teamed up with a grad student/post doc. I know thats how one of the girls I work in a lab with got published. We had both been there for about two years, but its just that the grad student she was working with was closer to getting publishable material.
 
I wouldnt say it just yet. The fact is getting published depends almost completely on luck and factors out of your control. It depends on the grad student you're assigned to, the stage of the project to which you have been assigned, the number of contributors (the fewer the contributers, the greater the chance your name will be on it).

At the very least, just work hard and youll definitely get a good rec and increase your chances of getting a pub. But dont feel too bad if you dont either, unless youre applying MSTP, a good rec is about as good as a good pub I think (unless we're talking about first author Nature or Science or something)
 
The experiments that you do have to work out fairly quickly. For instance, once you have a completed manuscript, it can easily take months before you know it will be published. Very few papers to any journal make it in on the first pass, so there will be some additional experiments and arguing or rejection. In one year I think that it is more reasonable to work on getting your name on a paper rather than being the first author. Learn some new techniques and figure out if research is something you may want to do in med school and after. Enjoy the year.
 
WWWOOOWWW... thank you guys so much for the informative and insightful advice. i'm so glad i asked you guys first! 🙂 Thank-Q~~
 
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