Would you back an effort to demand change from ACPE?

[Pharmgrlnxdor]

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I am wanting to get feedback on a proposed initiative to demand changes from the ACPE. What do you think of the following:

Initiative: Existing and future Colleges of Pharmacy must achieve an 85% or better NAPLEX pass rate for all attempts yearly.

Year #1 <85% pass rate on all attempts=school is on probation for the next year (Year #2)of operations, during which time they must determine why students are not passing, what has to be changed to increase their student's pass rates, pinpoint strategic actionable measures to improve institutional areas of weakness, implement those changes during the following year (Year #3).

Timeline would look like the following (sample):

2018: Graduate class of 2018 - the NAPLEX pass rate for all attempts for University of Yada Yada, COP is 80%.
2019: This number is released by NABP in February of 2019 -probably communicated to the schools earlier.

1/2019 - 12/31/2019 During 2019 the COP is put on probationary status. During this year college would have to determine why students are not passing, what has to be changed to increase their student's pass rates, pinpoint strategic actionable measures to improve institutional academic areas of weakness.

8/2019 - Implementation of changes begins for P1-P4 class levels.

2/2020 - NABP releases scores and 2019 graduates of this school still have a pass rate of <85%= school's accreditation is suspended and they may not enroll any further pharmacy students until they come off of suspended status. They have the year to again focus on improving the quality of their pharmacy program and focus on educating their current P2-P4 students.

2/2021 - NABP releases scores and 2020 graduates of this school still have a pass rate of <85%=school's suspended accreditation is permanent and accreditation will expire after remaining students complete their P4 year. School must start the accreditation process over from the beginning.

Would this be something you would back as a pharmacist?

 

[PA_dud3]

If you apply this to the schools that scored below an 85% pass rate in 2017, you end up with 38 or so schools on probation. In case anyone was wondering.

 

[Pharmgrlnxdor]

I calculated 47 schools using the 2017 graduates NAPLEX pass rate out of 130 schools.

 

[Gombrich12]

I rather lobby the government directly to cut off the student loan spigot to the schools. Get rid of the money and these schools will wither and die.

 

[PA_dud3]

I calculated 47 schools using the 2017 graduates NAPLEX pass rate out of 130 schools.

Were you calculating with the first time pass rates or the total attempt pass rates? I calculated my figure with just the first time pass rates. I imagine that the total attempts would likely result in a higher number of schools. Do you think total attempts should be the measured rate or first time attempts?

 

[steveysmith54]

Sure. At this point I’ll take anything.

However these pharmacy schools are sneaky. When the last 4 schools in CA opened, the deans gathered and lobbied/complained to board of Pharmacy to take out the requirement for students to have to get 900 hours of intern hours that’s not provided by the school for licensure, a requirement that has been in existence longer than most of us have been alive. Their complaint was students unable to find intern positions. The end game is I hearing from chains is that new grads are starting without having acquired real life experience needed to be an actual rph, not the stuff like reading clinical cases that is being taught emerging clinical positions.

But sounds like a good idea and at least hold the school accountable for something

 

[Timbo]

Also force schools to publish employment stats - full time and part time - and residency match stats for each graduating class.

 

[VA77]

Rotation sites are the key to opening any pharmacy school. Limit the preceptors and their willingness to take students and you will limit class sizes and new schools. The only way I see a viable solution.

 

[CetiAlphaFive]

Yup

 

[allantois]

I rather lobby the government directly to cut off the student loan spigot to the schools. Get rid of the money and these schools will wither and die.

So how will any school besides Ivyies survive?

 

[confettiflyer]

I’m all for some armchair Facebook/change.org fake activism.

Kony 2012!


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[wucool33]

And who are you to enact these changes?

 

[confettiflyer]

He’s trying to be ACPE2, no actual board...just SDN dictating policy, lmao


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[VA77]

AACP will be in ACPEs back yard next summer. Perfect time and place to put agendas front and center

 

[beautifulrobot]

I don't think we are in any position to demand any kind of change from ACPE. Why would they care about what a bunch of disgruntled PharmDs have to say?

 

[BidingMyTime]

OP, what you have is a GREAT idea, but it's not going to happen. ACPE makes money by licensing pharmacy schools, this means they have a negative incentive to not license pharmacy schools. Until something changes so that they make more money *not* licensing schools, than they do licensing schools, nothing will change (in face, standards may even get easier, as they will try to go as low as they can.)