Would you relinquish your spot if...

[Pembleton]

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What if you discovered your medical school was kidnapping homeless people, killing them and using their cadavers for anatomy class, would you relinquish your spot in the incoming class?

Assume that you are the only person who knows of this horrible secret and that it has not been leaked to the press or AAMC.

 

[Pinkertinkle]

What if you discovered your medical school was kidnapping homeless people, killing them and using their cadavers for anatomy class, would you relinquish your spot in the incoming class?

Assume that you are the only person who knows of this horrible secret and that it has not been leaked to the press or AAMC.

Wow that's killing two birds with one stone, just with people instead of birds.

 

[DrThom]

As long as there are cadavers for me to learn off of, I am not asking any questions.

 

[Pembleton]

Here's another scenario:

What if it's you and another guy left on the waitlist. You're ranked ahead of the other guy and you get the call from the dean saying that you've been accepted.

A visitor from the future comes in and tells you that the guy behind you will discover the cure for cancer but only if you give up your spot to him. Otherwise, he doesn't get into med school, gives up on medicine and becomes a traffic cop. You go on to have a nice career but you don't come anywhere close to curing cancer.

Do you give up your spot?

 

[MoosePilot]

Crazy questions

I wouldn't give up my spot. I'd expose them. Reap the full media attention for my heroism and accept a better spot elsewhere, knowing I made the world a safer place for the homeless

I'd give up a spot for the cancer cure guy. I'd save up a bunch of money and invest in his stock. I'd be much richer than he thought about being.

 

[Pembleton]

I'd give up a spot for the cancer cure guy. I'd save up a bunch of money and invest in his stock. I'd be much richer than he thought about being.

So you're giving me your spot? How nice!

 

[Ypo.]

What if you discovered your medical school was kidnapping homeless people, killing them and using their cadavers for anatomy class, would you relinquish your spot in the incoming class?

Assume that you are the only person who knows of this horrible secret and that it has not been leaked to the press or AAMC.

Ummm, I would leak it to the press and wait to see what happened.

 

[Mateodaspy]

So you're giving me your spot? How nice!

were you waiting for someone to reply just so you could say that?

😴 😴 😴 😴 😴 😴 😴 😴

 

[cure4cancer]

So you're giving me your spot? How nice!

dude that means he is giving me his spot... -.-'
read the name buddy

 

[MoosePilot]

So you're giving me your spot? How nice!

The guy from the future said you had a career going as a tranny madame and if I interfered in your relationship, he'd use a "laser" to destroy the frickin' world. Sorry 😳

 

[Pembleton]

dude that means he is giving me his spot... -.-'
read the name buddy

I'm expecting great things from you buddy. I'm giving you 20 years to be Time's Person of the Year.

 

[Pembleton]

The guy from the future said you had a career going as a tranny madame and if I interfered in your relationship, he'd use a "laser" to destroy the frickin' world. Sorry 😳

That same guy also promised me that Schwarznegger would not be governor. Don't trust him.

 

[Pembleton]

Ummm, I would leak it to the press and wait to see what happened.

Tattle tale.

but what you did is probably ethical; expect your acceptance to be rescinded though.

 

[Pembleton]

were you waiting for someone to reply just so you could say that?

😴 😴 😴 😴 😴 😴 😴 😴

Nope, I'm just looking for a reason to be traffic cop.

 

[Sunflower189]

Homeless cadavers? Why not? Cuts down on the fat I have to pick through...and it'll save me some work on my EM rotation, if they're grown locally.

On the other hand, that kind of poo is bound to hit the proverbial fan eventually, and I wouldn't want to be there when it happens. Accredited degree? What accredited degree? I agree with going to the media.

I'd hand over my spot to the cancer guy, though. (Then I'd get my PhD and weasel into his lab. Preferably while being paid in stock options.)

 

[GuyLaroche]

This thread is a little disrespectful to homeless people and decent people in general. The levity shown in response to the thread is frightening. I think the mods should take it down. It's not in good taste.

 

[DoctorFunk]

What if you discovered your medical school was kidnapping homeless people, killing them and using their cadavers for anatomy class, would you relinquish your spot in the incoming class?

In the name of levity, you need to be more specific. Are we talking men in black suits kidnapping people from the back of a black van, or Jean-Claude Van Damme in "Hard Target"-style kidnapping where they are being chased through the bayous of Louisiana?

Because that would change my answer...

 

[Ross434]

This thread is a little disrespectful to homeless people and decent people in general. The levity shown in response to the thread is frightening. I think the mods should take it down. It's not in good taste.

I think we're confusing homeless people with decent people here.. come on. of course i would take the position!

 

[Avenue Q]

This sounds like a bad Robin Cook novel. Wait, they're all bad

 

[GuyLaroche]

I probably should preface this by saying that I am the last person to stand on a soapbox and preach morality.... Still, I think it's very counterproductive to use the most glaring byproduct of social inequality as fodder for amusement on SDN. Also, as people who will be going into a profession that cloaks itself in empathy and kindness, it is a bit strange to treat this matter in this sort of flippant disregard. This does not even begin to address the inherent selfishness in the suggestion that it matters insomuch as it relates to your all-important spot in a medical school. This is just my opinion....

 

[DoctorFunk]

This is just my opinion....

Yep.

 

[Manifesting]

GuyLaroche, I agree with your comments completely, with regard to the homeless. The comments on this thread about them are sick. I am disgusted by the immaturity and flippant attitude of all of you who think this is fun and ashamed to think that you will be my peers in the medical profession. Grow up, please, and do it before this fall.

 

[MorganMuscles]

This is a stupid thread. What is your point or what are you trying to learn from this?

 

[saki0005]

What if you discovered your medical school was kidnapping homeless people, killing them and using their cadavers for anatomy class, would you relinquish your spot in the incoming class?

Assume that you are the only person who knows of this horrible secret and that it has not been leaked to the press or AAMC.

This actually happened...I think it was Dr. Marx in Edinburgh, Scotland. He was charging his students about $10/cadaver and about $40/ fresh cadaver. It turned out he had been obtaining the bodies from his killing sprees. The guy had over 500 med students at any given time.
Amazing.

 

[ellia08]

In March 1992 in colombia, a guy named Oscar Hernandez survived a murder attempt the goal of which was to sell his body to a local medical school as a lab specimen. (there is a story somewhere in the LA times about it)

William Harvey, a surgeon/anatomist who discovered the human circulatory system in the 17th century, actually dissected his own father and sister in the pursuit of scientific knowledge.

Where was the cloak of compassion there I wonder. Or is the cloak of compassion just that a covering for the true nature of the science.

Anyway, I'll just say this... be compassionate, act ethically and dont kill homeless people. That is bad. Baaaaaaad.

O yeah, and lighten up.

 

[DoctorFunk]

Anyway, I'll just say this... be compassionate, act ethically and dont kill homeless people. That is bad. Baaaaaaad.

I'm fairly certain everyone involved in this thread would agree on that part. I have to believe it is a little ridiculous, however, that some here choose to misconstrue what was obviously a poor attempt at humor into some kind of fascist ideology aimed at the homeless.

I'll be the first to say "my bad" if the OP or anyone else taking this post in the lighthearted manner in which it was intended (whether tasteful or not) turn into mass murderers wreaking havoc on the homeless. Until that day, perhaps it would be a good idea for some to just hop off the poor guy's nuts.

 

[locoindio]

I wouldnt tell anyone. I would ask the medical school if I can also kill people and make specimens of them for anatomy study. I would also like to kill the guy behind me who will cure cancer. cancer keeps humanity in check. he's a loser for wanting to cure it. he should just drink and try and get laid as much as he can. that's what life is about.
just remember that every ******edass question deserves a ******edass answer and you just got yours. Good luck.

 

[Ross434]

I'm fairly certain everyone involved in this thread would agree on that part. I have to believe it is a little ridiculous, however, that some here choose to misconstrue what was obviously a poor attempt at humor into some kind of fascist ideology aimed at the homeless.

i know, its freaking hilarious!.. omg.. omg.!! you hate the homeless!! thats SOO mean!

 

[ellia08]

I'm fairly certain everyone involved in this thread would agree on that part. I have to believe it is a little ridiculous, however, that some here choose to misconstrue what was obviously a poor attempt at humor into some kind of fascist ideology aimed at the homeless.

I'll be the first to say "my bad" if the OP or anyone else taking this post in the lighthearted manner in which it was intended (whether tasteful or not) turn into mass murderers wreaking havoc on the homeless. Until that day, perhaps it would be a good idea for some to just hop off the poor guy's nuts.

hey I'm with you here. (sometimes tone doesnt quite make it through text posts.)

Sorry if it seemed otherwise.

 

[DoctorFunk]

hey I'm with you here. (sometimes tone doesnt quite make it through text posts.)

Sorry if it seemed otherwise.

No, no. I actually thought your post was one of the better ones in this thread. You were pretty much right on in how I thought people should avoid overreacting to the OP's question. Sorry if my quote of your post was a little misleading, but I promise I've got nothin' but love! 😎

 

[ellia08]

Crazy questions

I wouldn't give up my spot. I'd expose them. Reap the full media attention for my heroism and accept a better spot elsewhere, knowing I made the world a safer place for the homeless

I'd give up a spot for the cancer cure guy. I'd save up a bunch of money and invest in his stock. I'd be much richer than he thought about being.

Personally, I have to aggree with moosepilot on this one. Expose the sordid affair, take spots on CNN, Foxnews, MSNBC, oprah, etc then write a best selling novel, sell your story for a tv documentary, go on a reality show, then parlay your mass appeal into minor movie roles.

You may not be a doctor, but you could play one on TV. (Go back to med school when the scandal dies down.)

 

[locoindio]

I wouldn't tell anyone. I'd ask if I can go out and kill more homeless people to use them for anatomy study. I'd also kill the guy behind me who wants to cure cancer. What a loser. Cancer puts a check on humanity. We need it. It's great. I love cancer. Why does he want to get rid of something so great? He should just drink heavily and get laid as much as he can. That's the life. By the way--remember that for every inappropriate and ******edass question there is an inappropriate and ******edass response. You just got yours. Please try and use this thread for something useful next time. Good luck, man...

Loco.

 

[ellia08]

No, no. I actually thought your post was one of the better ones in this thread. You were pretty much right on in how I thought people should avoid overreacting to the OP's question. Sorry if my quote of your post was a little misleading, but I promise I've got nothin' but love! 😎

right back at ya, DoctorFunk.

ps- [snickering] at the post above me.

 

[Manifesting]

OK, I admit that I'm too serious sometimes (I'm a mom, it's a job requirement). And I certainly don't want to hop on anybody's nuts, believe me! AND, I enjoy nothing more than a good laugh. I know the OP and subsequent posters were trying to be funny in a smarta$$ way. I accused no one of facism. I simply fail to find these attitudes toward the homeless as fun or funny. Perhaps it is just a generational thing; you guys sound more like my 15 y/o son than future physicians, future healers. So let's make a deal: I'll lighten up a bit if you'll grow up a bit. Then we can all make nicey nice next fall in school. 👍

 

[GuyLaroche]

There is nothing humorous or light-hearted at being homeless or killed. This thread is not a useful thread, and as such should be closed down by the moderators.

 

[DoctorFunk]

So let's make a deal: I'll lighten up a bit if you'll grow up a bit. Then we can all make nicey nice next fall in school. 👍

I'll step up to the negotiation table. I did not consider my "Hard Target" reference to be demeaning towards the homeless, rather I intended it to be demeaning towards Jean-Claude Van Damme (who as far as I know is not homeless). Therefore, as long as you can agree with me that Jean-Claude Van Damme, and his films, are ridiculous and deserves none of the special attention and social intervention that the homeless warrant, we can make nicey nice.

[/Smartass]

 

[DoctorFunk]

There is nothing humorous or light-hearted at being homeless or killed. This thread is not a useful thread, and as such should be closed down by the moderators.

Cute, you're still in that stage where you are feverishly hunting down every "useful" thread on SDN and completely ignoring the community of characters that makes the forums interesting. C'mon, Laroche, don't be THAT GUY. There's room for all of us in this big, wide world.
😉

 

[GuyLaroche]

Cute, you're still in that stage where you are feverishly hunting down every "useful" thread on SDN and completely ignoring the community of characters that makes the forums interesting. C'mon, Laroche, don't be THAT GUY. There's room for all of us in this big, wide world.
😉

The forums are interesting because they provide useful information to students in their pursuit of a medical school education. The community that you are referring to I hope is one of kind, helpful people, who reach out to help their peers. As an SDN community member, I cannot support disregard for important social issues that could have resonance with some members, and could be hurtful to them. I would hope that you would do the same. 🙂

 

[DoctorFunk]

The forums are interesting because they provide useful information to students in their pursuit of a medical school education. The community that you are referring to I hope is one of kind, helpful people, who reach out to help their peers. As an SDN community member, I cannot support disregard for important social issues that could have resonance with some members, and could be hurtful to them. I would hope that you would do the same. 🙂

I'm all for attention to important political and societal issues. I do hope for your sake, though, that by the time you hit the wards in your MS3, MS4, or even residency years that you are a little more understanding and tolerant of the actions, words, and even senses of humor of others. Speaking for myself, sometimes the only way I can cope with the inhumanity that I see around me is by making light of the situation, while I work to make the world a little better. Right or wrong, it is a not uncommon coping mechanism used by many in stressful careers, and you had better believe that you are going to come across physicians in your lifetime that try to protect themselves by hiding behind a wall of cynicism.

 

[mshheaddoc]

What if you discovered your medical school was kidnapping homeless people, killing them and using their cadavers for anatomy class, would you relinquish your spot in the incoming class?

Assume that you are the only person who knows of this horrible secret and that it has not been leaked to the press or AAMC.

I wasn't going to respond, but then I changed my mind.

I would take and join the melee.

(is this a test of some sort? Was this an ethical test? did I pass?)

 

[Ypo.]

Tattle tale.

but what you did is probably ethical; expect your acceptance to be rescinded though.

No, I would leak it anonymously. Most reporters will protect their source.

 

[Ypo.]

I wasn't going to respond, but then I changed my mind.

I would take and join the melee.

(is this a test of some sort? Was this an ethical test? did I pass?)

Good one.

 

[Manifesting]

quotes from Doctor Funk:

In the name of levity, you need to be more specific. Are we talking men in black suits kidnapping people from the back of a black van, or Jean-Claude Van Damme in "Hard Target"-style kidnapping where they are being chased through the bayous of Louisiana?

Because that would change my answer...

(and)

I'll step up to the negotiation table. I did not consider my "Hard Target" reference to be demeaning towards the homeless, rather I intended it to be demeaning towards Jean-Claude Van Damme (who as far as I know is not homeless). Therefore, as long as you can agree with me that Jean-Claude Van Damme, and his films, are ridiculous and deserves none of the special attention and social intervention that the homeless warrant, we can make nicey nice.

end quotes


DoctorFunk: I actually found your first statement above to be quite humorous, despite the underlying topic, as I am no Van Damme fan. So, agreed, deal, now we be nicey, nice. 'Kay?

The only reason I pulled your "hop off the poor guy's nuts" comment into my post and thereby included you as one to whom my comments were directed, was that you seemed to be teaming up on the "this is funny" side. I was not picking on you individually. Perhaps we should all just move on to something more productive?

 

[Pembleton]

I'm surprised people took offense with this thread.

I think most saw it as a (somewhat lame) attempt at levity.

 

[mshheaddoc]

I'm surprised people took offense with this thread.

I think most saw it as a (somewhat lame) attempt at levity.

wouldn't say offense but if there IS a school out there doing it, there is something wrong with that school. Guess its so far out there people just too it to extreme.

 

[MoosePilot]

OK, I admit that I'm too serious sometimes (I'm a mom, it's a job requirement). And I certainly don't want to hop on anybody's nuts, believe me! AND, I enjoy nothing more than a good laugh. I know the OP and subsequent posters were trying to be funny in a smarta$$ way. I accused no one of facism. I simply fail to find these attitudes toward the homeless as fun or funny. Perhaps it is just a generational thing; you guys sound more like my 15 y/o son than future physicians, future healers. So let's make a deal: I'll lighten up a bit if you'll grow up a bit. Then we can all make nicey nice next fall in school. 👍

I'm in an extremely responsible profession currently. I don't think I'm going to have to grow up any more to be a doc. Keeping a sense of humor, even or maybe especially if it's irreverent and politically incorrect is helpful when you're in a stressful profession.

Anyone who doesn't think this thread is funny (and it's not, particularly) has the option not to read any further...

 

[rcd]

What if you discovered your medical school was kidnapping homeless people, killing them and using their cadavers for anatomy class, would you relinquish your spot in the incoming class?

Assume that you are the only person who knows of this horrible secret and that it has not been leaked to the press or AAMC.

i read this once. the way they do it is by having 4 vans that go around giving medical care, clothing, and nourishment to homeless people. but the fifth van kidnaps 'em.

actually, it was a corrupt drug company out of a clancy book. it may have been fictional too.

 

[dopaminophile]

How about giving up your seat in med school for a confirmed chief supreme court justice position? You could do an enormous amount of good, shape the future of the world, and never lose that capacity to the political or personal swaying of the populace.

 

[vhawk]

The forums are interesting because they provide useful information to students in their pursuit of a medical school education. The community that you are referring to I hope is one of kind, helpful people, who reach out to help their peers. As an SDN community member, I cannot support disregard for important social issues that could have resonance with some members, and could be hurtful to them. I would hope that you would do the same. 🙂

Ok, seriously, are you serious? Not to start flaming or namecalling, which I will now do, but if this is a serious post you are a dork. I dont mean it in a mean way, per se, just in a literal sense. The "community that you are referring to" is made up of mostly 21-24 year olds, and certainly some older, who plan on making a living treating people and donating their lives to helping others. Now if that doesnt entitle you to make some jokes, especially in a way so extreme and exaggerating so that no human on earth could take it seriously, then I dont know what does! Not to mention we dont really need thought police telling us what jokes we can or cannot make, and I'm not a big fan of the condescending "You guys need to grow up or you will make terrible doctors because I said so" bit.

 

[Ypo.]

The real problem with this thread is that it just wasn't funny enough. I didn't come close to one verbal chuckle, although I think the part of my brain that registers amusement might have shown some activitity.

There are some people that if they don't see a lot of this ( ) and this ( 😀 ) who just assume it was meant to be taken seriously. Like my boyfriend, for example. He's always killing those moments in movies that are so obviously put there for comic relief with "oh, that never could have happened..."

Well, duh. Just like there is no medical school out there in America that is killing homeless people for cadavers.

OP-next time make the topic of the thread so obviously a joke that it totally kills all humour. That ought to prevent the 'serious' posters from attacking the morality of our responses.