Would you still work if your new salary is $70 k a year?

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I would borrow all the money I could from my 401k and put it all in penny stocks. YOLO!

Nah but seriously if my salary was less than 6 figures I would seriously look at that FIRE lifestyle. I have some rooms in my house I ain't using, I could try to rent those out. Maybe try day trading. I wonder how much solar system sales people make, I bet I could do that pretty good and I might even enjoy it.
 
I suppose, to me, it would depend on what the expectations are.

If the standard stays where it has been for the past 10 years then - No

If we go back to a lush overlap environment, 32 hrs a week, and the bar is lowered - Maybe
 
current market is comparable to strikes and picket lines except we don't have a strong union and these companies are taking a different approach. That's why they can fire you and rehire you few months later for 20-30% less. We break down too easy.

The answer is no. Doing 20-40 flu shots/covid shots. Running around, doing covid testing. Doing unpaid conference calls before you are scheduled to work. The list goes on and on. You can make more money as a babysitter these days. The list is extensive on what you can do to make that money putting in less effort... One pharmacy call
 
Just to add. Do you think your DL and regional are worth 20-30% of the overhead to be pay their salaries? You are paying their salaries. Do they bring enough value to justify their role? They act like you are lucky to have a job. They are basically consultants to keep operation more optimized but these days, corporate contribution is non existent.
 
M0df said:
Just to add. Do you think your DL and regional are worth 20-30% of the overhead to be pay their salaries? You are paying their salaries. Do they bring enough value to justify their role? They act like you are lucky to have a job. They are basically consultants to keep operation more optimized but these days, corporate contribution is non existent.
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Personally I'd say DLs are more facilitators than consultants. The RDs and VPs don't care what they think, they're just the one who passes information to the troops and carries out the strategy set by the big wigs. They largely exist because VPs can't have 10,000 direct reports calling them all the time about their brother's cousin's pet tiger that tested positive for CoVID.

And yeah, I'd say we're pretty lucky to have jobs. It sucks, but they're not wrong about that.
 
These people must be PM solicitors. Might need to put them on a PM probation for new members or not let them send messages at all.
 
momophil said:
If you are not going to then what else would you be doing?
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Already do, but then again the gov is paying for my housing. However IF the new salary stateside was going to be $70k, then I’d just try to go Active Duty. At that salary I might as well just be a full time soldier.
 
He posted a video (it was on Facebook live) of retired St. Louis police captain David Dorn dying after being shot by thugs looting a pawn shop in STL during the riots after the George Floyd murder
 
mentos said:
You've never downloaded movies or music before? Haha.
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Haha - dude, the most high tech I get is SDN.

I still have all of my music from the 80s, 90s, and early 2000... I really don’t need anything more. Tears for Fears “shout” will last a century. I don’t think I could even name a modern artist. I dropped off right around when Trent Reznor went all electronic

I download my movies from Amazon do not sure if that counts.

Speaking of downloading movies, I watched a really freaking good movie tonight - it was, “King Arthur the legend of the Sword”. Such a good movie..

See I still sit around in a dragon shirt and listen to Enter Sandman on my off time
 
JustFillIt said:
Haha - dude, the most high tech I get is SDN.

I still have all of my music from the 80s, 90s, and early 2000... I really don’t need anything more. Tears for Fears “shout” will last a century. I don’t think I could even name a modern artist. I dropped off right around when Trent Reznor went all electronic

I download my movies from Amazon do not sure if that counts.

Speaking of downloading movies, I watched a really freaking good movie tonight - it was, “King Arthur the legend of the Sword”. Such a good movie..

See I still sit around in a dragon shirt and listen to Enter Sandman on my off time
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LoL. So BMB keeps getting banned cause he uses the same device with the same IP address, so they always know it's him. If he uses a VPN, then SDN will think he's logged in from some random device in South America or Germany or something and he won't get banned. We don't know why he won't just do this instead of making a new name and getting insta banned every few weeks.
 
Well....my first pharmacist job was for considerably less than that, and even adjusting for cost of living, was still comparably less than that. I love being a pharmacist, so would keep working at that, until I got something better. Honestly, I'd probably look into getting my teaching certificate. I have a bachelors, so I think I would only have to have another year of classwork to be certified. Being a teacher was my 2nd choice career path, and if I could make $40,000/yr as a teacher with 3 months vacation, plus extremely generous holiday and sick time, that would probably beat out $70,000/yr as a pharmacist. I could probably even still moonlight as a pharmacist with all the vacation and holiday time.
 
BidingMyTime said:
Well....my first pharmacist job was for considerably less than that, and even adjusting for cost of living, was still comparably less than that. I love being a pharmacist, so would keep working at that, until I got something better. Honestly, I'd probably look into getting my teaching certificate. I have a bachelors, so I think I would only have to have another year of classwork to be certified. Being a teacher was my 2nd choice career path, and if I could make $40,000/yr as a teacher with 3 months vacation, plus extremely generous holiday and sick time, that would probably beat out $70,000/yr as a pharmacist. I could probably even still moonlight as a pharmacist with all the vacation and holiday time.
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I would love teaching high school math or chemistry
 
TikiTorches said:
What's that got to do with him getting banned on sdn?
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Uh, the reason?

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Favorite members who got banned

Do you think we should allow a non-vet member to go to the vet forum and berate them in their home forum? It's the same here. When Vets or Docs drop by just to harass us they get an infraction. The only reason there was any "berating" going on was because of the completely hostile response to...
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I'm really thinking about going back to teach business and STEM classes at the high school I graduated from. It dont pay alot but most kids are underprivileged and it would be nice to really make a difference for once.
 
Are kids just playing around on their smartphones all day? That would be a PITA
 
Sine Cura said:
Uh, the reason?

forums.studentdoctor.net

Favorite members who got banned

Do you think we should allow a non-vet member to go to the vet forum and berate them in their home forum? It's the same here. When Vets or Docs drop by just to harass us they get an infraction. The only reason there was any "berating" going on was because of the completely hostile response to...
forums.studentdoctor.net forums.studentdoctor.net
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I thought he posted it on fbook. Not sdn
 
Prob got banned for trollish behavior.

Remember gaiz what's death BY COVID vs death WITH COVID
 
owlegrad said:
I would borrow all the money I could from my 401k and put it all in penny stocks. YOLO!

Nah but seriously if my salary was less than 6 figures I would seriously look at that FIRE lifestyle. I have some rooms in my house I ain't using, I could try to rent those out. Maybe try day trading. I wonder how much solar system sales people make, I bet I could do that pretty good and I might even enjoy it.
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You don't even have to borrow. Just open up a brokerage link account from your fidelity 401k and YOLO away!
 
Is any good VPN service free? I am just wondering as I don’t really know anything.
 
Sine Cura said:
Is it that really hard to use a VPN? Some web browsers even have a built-in VPN
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I was once banned on another forum (a Disney one, don’t laugh...lol, okay I know you’re laughing) and it’s not really hard to come back... just clear cookies and use a VPN (which I use anyway).

It helps to know the anti-spam methods/capabilities, so I went on their bulletin board software support forum to get a feel for that.

Fun fact, I actually stole someone’s username on here that I liked and used it over there (and got banned with it). My avatar now is someone’s avatar on that Disney forum that I liked.
 
JustFillIt said:
What is a VPN?
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It’s more complicated than this, but it basically routes your internet traffic through an intermediary server, and your destination website will “think” it’s coming from there.

Like changing the return address on a piece of mail from your house to your friend in Texas (ignore that there is a post mark from the post office).

People use it to stream things that are geographically limited, or to maintain privacy on the web (or both/more).
 
Teaching is a hard job. The assignments that I've seen in the urban public schools are demoralizing (same sorts of complaints as here). In the rural areas, you're either in the community or definitely out (there are private rules that get enforced). And suburban kids are what they are.

In the Twin Cities, you're pretty much in the 60s unless you're the BA art teacher in the low enrollment magnet schools, but the burden is quite large and burnout is high from administration politics and dealing with unteachable children. You know, most of the people you went to school with that are destined for McJobs.

The Community Colleges used to be sleepy, but all the ones that I know now are completely competitive and if you're getting into the tech training business as a PharmD, all of those jobs are tied up by PharmD moms that were willing to accept $50k for 40 hours when the city average was $135k. Now they are $70k and the city average is $112k and dropping.
 
confettiflyer said:
It’s more complicated than this, but it basically routes your internet traffic through an intermediary server, and your destination website will “think” it’s coming from there.

Like changing the return address on a piece of mail from your house to your friend in Texas (ignore that there is a post mark from the post office).

People use it to stream things that are geographically limited, or to maintain privacy on the web (or both/more).
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And you have to trust the man in the middle. VPN's are not above blackmailing certain people doing some questionable transactions as they do know both ends. Some of the cheapest VPN companies are owned by In-Q-Tel.

I'm so surprised when I get the phone security report returns on my employees and how many of them have Messenger, Pokemon Go, and Yelp installed among other things, yet insist that their phone messages are private (TOS allows keylogging and geocoding).
 
The question to me sounds like, would I return to retail for $70k? I took a paycut to leave, would I take another paycut to return to retail? Nooooooooooo. What I really mean by that is, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I wouldn’t return for the $140k I left behind 😂 (Main reason being that I’m working my dream unicorn job) but if I were laid off, retail for $70k would be the last option. For $70k, there are so many more other happier options with the experience I’ve gained while not working retail. (And anyone who is smart enough to get a pharmacy degree/pass the NAPLEX on the first attempt can quickly learn and be great in other fields).

I did enjoy retail to a degree though. If I had ample tech hours, I didn’t have to work more than the hours I’m paid for, and I had strong liability protection, then $85k would be acceptable, since I did enjoy certain ideal aspects of helping people in the pharmacy. But $70k doesn’t make any sense for the retail stress in 2020.
 
Where I live you can walk in to a factory without any education and start at $20 per hour and higher, a sign on bonus for some positions, better health benefits and more realistic work goals, and finally union shops. Ot available as well. If you worked with your current retail job ethic you would probably be employee of the year. Before you say, yes I have worked in factories. At the best one, a horn sounded at breaks, lunch, and at clean up time at the end of shift. Ot was great and insurance dirt cheap.

One primary reason to go to school is to get ahead 70k was good in the 90s not 30 years later.
 
owlegrad said:
I laughed at “...you would probably be employee of the year”. That is so true.
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So true - when I worked retail I would be around other people talking about their jobs and I was blown away at how they could act and generally conduct themselves.

One of my friends is a mortgage loan manager and he makes about 80k signing loans. He would hang up on people, not return calls, etc. it’s just no thing to them.

Honestly it made me jealous and somewhat resentful that most others do not have to deal with life threatening stress/anxiety at work.
 
JustFillIt said:
So true - when I worked retail I would be around other people talking about their jobs and I was blown away at how they could act and generally conduct themselves.

One of my friends is a mortgage loan manager and he makes about 80k signing loans. He would hang up on people, not return calls, etc. it’s just no thing to them.

Honestly it made me jealous and somewhat resentful that most others do not have to deal with life threatening stress/anxiety at work.
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It's sad. Pharmacists are sheep that just let the whip be cracked upon them over and over.
 
JustFillIt said:
So true - when I worked retail I would be around other people talking about their jobs and I was blown away at how they could act and generally conduct themselves.

One of my friends is a mortgage loan manager and he makes about 80k signing loans. He would hang up on people, not return calls, etc. it’s just no thing to them.

Honestly it made me jealous and somewhat resentful that most others do not have to deal with life threatening stress/anxiety at work.
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Can confirm. The first time I refinanced, the loan officer was a PITA to contact. He was never in his office (pre pandemic) and never picked up the phone. Rarely responded to emails. Then asked for all these BS documents a few days before closing, so I had to scramble to get it all to him at the last minute. I was pissed. He gave no f*cks and still made a huge commission.
 
johnpharm01 said:
It's sad. Pharmacists are sheep that just let the whip be cracked upon them over and over.
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It’s because the golden age pharmacists were so ridiculously spoiled that they did whatever they had to do to not rock the boat for as long as possible. They took what they could, kept their head down, and sold out the future generation.

Very similar to the baby boomer generation as a whole. Starting to see a pattern here....
 
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