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Anyone know of a good source that rates of Australian Med Schools?
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I don't think there is a ranking, really. Flinders Univ. has been lauded by Harvard, so makes that one sort of Australia's Harvard equivalent. There are not that many schools to choose from. I would put Univ. of Melbourne second, as they receive quite a bit of international recognition for scientific achievement and research, and a lot of funding. Both Melbourne and Sydney take the highest achievers in their secondary school exam, but I can't imagine Queensland is far behind, if at all. Maybe one of the ozzies or kiwis can shed some light.
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hi! there was a letter in the australian (newspaper) last month that indicated flinders recieved the second largest amount of research money next to whatever their equivalent of the NIH. so if that is your measure...also Pam Sykes (sp?) a researcher there just recieved an 850,000 grant from nih which seems phenomenal as the US doesn't usually send that much money abroad. however research may not be the only picture. As far as quality rankings go, the oz schools are all accredited by the oz equivalent of the LCME and are probably all comparable in quality and standards. i chose flinders because cost of living/quality of life is by reputation superior in Adelaide - unless youre young and want to party in Sydney (damn these years!) best of luck...
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I would agree with what wmg said - in terms of quality all of the schools are pretty much on an equal footing. There is a site called goodguides (sp?) that rates the Australian programmes but you have to pay to use it so I haven't bothered to check (I don't really care that much - we all end up doctors anyhow).
<a href="http://www.thegoodguides.com.au/" target="_blank">The Good Guides</a>
I don't know too much about the 6-yr programmes but the four graduate entry courses IMHO would probably stack up something like this for US/international students (for local students I reckon they are all equal - it is just a matter of geography).
1. Flinders - great int. reputation, 30/88 places are for international students, great location - highly rated by many US schools
2. Melbourne - 10/70 spots in 4yr programme for international students (good luck leorl - you rock!), good climate - nice city. Uni has fantastic research rep. Has both 6 yr and 4 yr programmes.
3. Sydney - I would rate Syd higher than Qld because it is the Capital city and probably more recognised overseas(?). It also takes the largest # of int students with 40/222 places reserved. More expensive to live in Syd however.
4. Queensland - largest overall class intake per year with 260 spots but only 20 of these are for int students. Very hot in Qld - very touristy. Lots of emphasis on rural (and I mean rural!!!) medicine. Doesn't seem to be in favour with US students - not sure why, maybe a lack of advertising.
This is just my opinion - I haven't started yet, but this is based upon talking to lots of people who have gone to each school and my own research. It is important to remember that these 4yr programmes have only been up and running since '96/'97 so the first graduating class is only just getting out and about. It is also VERY important to remember that these are NOT US schools - so don't go there expecting the curriculum to be targeted to the US licensing exams - you will largely have to prepare for these under your own steam (although I think Flinders prob helps out a bit more here than the other schools). That said I reckon that the education you get in Oz would be comparable to anywhere else in the world (if not better).
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<a href="http://www.thegoodguides.com.au/" target="_blank">The Good Guides</a>
I don't know too much about the 6-yr programmes but the four graduate entry courses IMHO would probably stack up something like this for US/international students (for local students I reckon they are all equal - it is just a matter of geography).
1. Flinders - great int. reputation, 30/88 places are for international students, great location - highly rated by many US schools
2. Melbourne - 10/70 spots in 4yr programme for international students (good luck leorl - you rock!), good climate - nice city. Uni has fantastic research rep. Has both 6 yr and 4 yr programmes.
3. Sydney - I would rate Syd higher than Qld because it is the Capital city and probably more recognised overseas(?). It also takes the largest # of int students with 40/222 places reserved. More expensive to live in Syd however.
4. Queensland - largest overall class intake per year with 260 spots but only 20 of these are for int students. Very hot in Qld - very touristy. Lots of emphasis on rural (and I mean rural!!!) medicine. Doesn't seem to be in favour with US students - not sure why, maybe a lack of advertising.
This is just my opinion - I haven't started yet, but this is based upon talking to lots of people who have gone to each school and my own research. It is important to remember that these 4yr programmes have only been up and running since '96/'97 so the first graduating class is only just getting out and about. It is also VERY important to remember that these are NOT US schools - so don't go there expecting the curriculum to be targeted to the US licensing exams - you will largely have to prepare for these under your own steam (although I think Flinders prob helps out a bit more here than the other schools). That said I reckon that the education you get in Oz would be comparable to anywhere else in the world (if not better).
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okay - in answer to the original question. The AMC (Australian Medical Council) accredits the schools and here is a list of the schools.
<a href="http://www.amc.org.au/schools.asp" target="_blank">http://www.amc.org.au/schools.asp</a>
However, this does not provide a ranking as it were. Kiwi is probably closest to the truth when saying local geographic preference determines where locals go (or where they get in!). Some other things to consider for intl applicants are whether the program has both four and six year programs together. Also, as mentioned, the cost of living can be a huge determinant.
Good Luck
<a href="http://www.amc.org.au/schools.asp" target="_blank">http://www.amc.org.au/schools.asp</a>
However, this does not provide a ranking as it were. Kiwi is probably closest to the truth when saying local geographic preference determines where locals go (or where they get in!). Some other things to consider for intl applicants are whether the program has both four and six year programs together. Also, as mentioned, the cost of living can be a huge determinant.
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I am from Sydney University.
Oh I remember the Goodman's guide or something like that. It ranks all the Australian universities as "tiers". It does not rank them like the U.S., 1, 2 ,3, etc. There are about 5 tiers. Sydney, Melbourne, Queenslands, and the rest(n=7) are all first tier. Flinders falls into 2nd tier. BUT this is just the overall university rating, has got nothing to do with medical schools. This is actually quite a bias ranking because pretty much all the first tier schools are over a hundred year ago, except the university of new south wales.
If you are talking about reputation in terms of residency, it wouldn't make a difference. Both universities have graduated Americans with phenonemal residencies. So it's pretty petty to argue about it.
I have lived in both places. Adelaide is VERY quiet compared to Sydney. So if you are from Idaho, you would prefer Adelaide. But if you are from SF or LA, then choose Sydney. I have seen MANY Americans either complain or enjoy Sydney or Melbourne. Oh, living expense is about the same, depending how you live. I am spending less money in Sydney than in Adelaide. It is erroneous to believe in brochures and stuff. I was lucky to be able to live in hospital accommodation, which is about 15 dollars a week!!
I have done about 3 years of EXTENSIVE personal research into Australian medical schools. If you want to learn more about them, email me. There are lots of stuff that are politically incorrect to be said on public forum. My experience differ markedly from what people told me 3 years ago. From people who had no experience, just bunch of BIG assumptions and rumors.
Oh I remember the Goodman's guide or something like that. It ranks all the Australian universities as "tiers". It does not rank them like the U.S., 1, 2 ,3, etc. There are about 5 tiers. Sydney, Melbourne, Queenslands, and the rest(n=7) are all first tier. Flinders falls into 2nd tier. BUT this is just the overall university rating, has got nothing to do with medical schools. This is actually quite a bias ranking because pretty much all the first tier schools are over a hundred year ago, except the university of new south wales.
If you are talking about reputation in terms of residency, it wouldn't make a difference. Both universities have graduated Americans with phenonemal residencies. So it's pretty petty to argue about it.
I have lived in both places. Adelaide is VERY quiet compared to Sydney. So if you are from Idaho, you would prefer Adelaide. But if you are from SF or LA, then choose Sydney. I have seen MANY Americans either complain or enjoy Sydney or Melbourne. Oh, living expense is about the same, depending how you live. I am spending less money in Sydney than in Adelaide. It is erroneous to believe in brochures and stuff. I was lucky to be able to live in hospital accommodation, which is about 15 dollars a week!!
I have done about 3 years of EXTENSIVE personal research into Australian medical schools. If you want to learn more about them, email me. There are lots of stuff that are politically incorrect to be said on public forum. My experience differ markedly from what people told me 3 years ago. From people who had no experience, just bunch of BIG assumptions and rumors.
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hey kung fu master,
im really amazed at u being able to spend only 15 bucks in sydney per week..tht's amazing! what's your secret?
hey mika,
i go to the university of new south wales and shall prolly give you my two cents worth here. in my uni, the med programme is a 6-yr rather than a 4-yr programme. i didnt do much research into choosing a med sch before i went so i suppose i wouldnt really know the exact ranking but i remember see'g one of those goodman guides or something like tht as mentioned by kung fu master tht gives an overall rating of the university, but bear in mind it's not specific for medical school. i also came across another book, i think it's called good australian universities guide or sthg like tht which actually has a table showing the starting salary of medical graduates from different universities. i remember being quite pleased with what i saw coz university of new south wales has one of the highest paid fresh grads and sydney does too, i cant remember the rest.but if u r interested, u can prolly look it up, i think this book is easily found in most libraries. overall, from my point of view, i think most universities in australia are pretty much equal in terms of teaching and stuff when it comes to medical school. but sydney does have a pretty high cost of living from experience as compared to places like adelaide and perth. i think university of new south wales also has one of the highest intake of international students.
hope tht was of some help. if you have any further qns abt my med sch in particular, pls feel free to ask. i'll try my best to help.
liz..
im really amazed at u being able to spend only 15 bucks in sydney per week..tht's amazing! what's your secret?
hey mika,
i go to the university of new south wales and shall prolly give you my two cents worth here. in my uni, the med programme is a 6-yr rather than a 4-yr programme. i didnt do much research into choosing a med sch before i went so i suppose i wouldnt really know the exact ranking but i remember see'g one of those goodman guides or something like tht as mentioned by kung fu master tht gives an overall rating of the university, but bear in mind it's not specific for medical school. i also came across another book, i think it's called good australian universities guide or sthg like tht which actually has a table showing the starting salary of medical graduates from different universities. i remember being quite pleased with what i saw coz university of new south wales has one of the highest paid fresh grads and sydney does too, i cant remember the rest.but if u r interested, u can prolly look it up, i think this book is easily found in most libraries. overall, from my point of view, i think most universities in australia are pretty much equal in terms of teaching and stuff when it comes to medical school. but sydney does have a pretty high cost of living from experience as compared to places like adelaide and perth. i think university of new south wales also has one of the highest intake of international students.
hope tht was of some help. if you have any further qns abt my med sch in particular, pls feel free to ask. i'll try my best to help.
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For interest's sake...I too saw the same rankings that the others are speaking of and Flinders grads actually ranked highest in personal/academic satisfaction - that is they were happier with their education than students at the other schools. Maybe the students that go there are just happier in general.
As far as living costs being the same in Adelaide as in Sydney - complete rubbish. While student housing may cost the same (and I find it extremely hard to believe that room and board is $15 a week ANYWHERE), you only have to read the national newspaper which compared cost of living - ie, rent, utilities, car insurance, food, etc. in all major Australian cities. Adelaide and Perth were the cheapest - more than half of what it cost to live in Sydney. If you want to live in the dorms (and most don't) then it might not make a real difference and the extra money you pay to fly into Adelaide might be well spent on food, nights out etc.
I agree that Sydney and Melbourne are much more exciting than Adelaide but everyone has their own preferences and until you've lived in more than 1 of these cities (as I have) it IS simply making assumptions about what life is like in the others. I found Adelaide preferable for ME but always try and caution others that it might not have the resources they crave.
As far as living costs being the same in Adelaide as in Sydney - complete rubbish. While student housing may cost the same (and I find it extremely hard to believe that room and board is $15 a week ANYWHERE), you only have to read the national newspaper which compared cost of living - ie, rent, utilities, car insurance, food, etc. in all major Australian cities. Adelaide and Perth were the cheapest - more than half of what it cost to live in Sydney. If you want to live in the dorms (and most don't) then it might not make a real difference and the extra money you pay to fly into Adelaide might be well spent on food, nights out etc.
I agree that Sydney and Melbourne are much more exciting than Adelaide but everyone has their own preferences and until you've lived in more than 1 of these cities (as I have) it IS simply making assumptions about what life is like in the others. I found Adelaide preferable for ME but always try and caution others that it might not have the resources they crave.
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That's true. Sydney has the lowest satisfaction. That's probably because our class is too big. You get very little attention from staffs.
No, I said I WAS LUCKY to have found an accommodation in my teaching hospital. It costs only 15 USD(30AUD) a week. And I eat about 100 AUD worth of food a week. Yes you can find cheap accommodation in Sydney, but you will have to live far away from the city. You pay about 260 AUD a week if you wish to live next to the university in a single bedroom apartment. And of course the standard of living is relatively higher in Sydney, but it all depends on how you spend your money. If you are inherently a BIG spender, then it doesn't make much difference where you go. Either way, everything(except playstation 2) is relatively cheaper than the U.S. in Australia. If you do prefer more friendly people and less smog, then I recommend adelaide. But if you like noise and traffic, then I would recommend Sydney. It's all a matter of personal preference.
No, I said I WAS LUCKY to have found an accommodation in my teaching hospital. It costs only 15 USD(30AUD) a week. And I eat about 100 AUD worth of food a week. Yes you can find cheap accommodation in Sydney, but you will have to live far away from the city. You pay about 260 AUD a week if you wish to live next to the university in a single bedroom apartment. And of course the standard of living is relatively higher in Sydney, but it all depends on how you spend your money. If you are inherently a BIG spender, then it doesn't make much difference where you go. Either way, everything(except playstation 2) is relatively cheaper than the U.S. in Australia. If you do prefer more friendly people and less smog, then I recommend adelaide. But if you like noise and traffic, then I would recommend Sydney. It's all a matter of personal preference.
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aww and kiwi is da man, da bomb himself . Nice to know that the quality of education is fairly equalized. Now, assuming I get accepted, it's whether to live in Melbourne or Adelaide! Okay, question. Which city has better sports facilities, especially for rowing? I guess they're both fairly coastal, so I could go windsurfing and body boarding too (WOOHOO!)
btw, thanks for the univ. of new south wales input...awesome that a ns wales person visits these boards. But NSW doesn't offer a 4 year graduate program that I know of, so I'm not sure how many americans who've already done undergrad would go for NSW? if NSW does have a program, I think my advisor would kick me in the pants to go, especially as he graduated from there. He's already upset that I didn't do a visiting year there . Yeah, so can you tell us all the fun life we can expect?
and kiwi is da man, da bomb himself . Nice to know that the quality of education is fairly equalized. Now, assuming I get accepted, it's whether to live in Melbourne or Adelaide! Okay, question. Which city has better sports facilities, especially for rowing? I guess they're both fairly coastal, so I could go windsurfing and body boarding too (WOOHOO!)btw, thanks for the univ. of new south wales input...awesome that a ns wales person visits these boards. But NSW doesn't offer a 4 year graduate program that I know of, so I'm not sure how many americans who've already done undergrad would go for NSW? if NSW does have a program, I think my advisor would kick me in the pants to go, especially as he graduated from there. He's already upset that I didn't do a visiting year there
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On the subject of Australasian Med schools, how many of you outside of New Zealand have heard of the med school at Otago University? What is the general feeling about NZ med degrees in the US/UK/ Australia? I've only recently finished my first year (out of 6), but I want to specialise (on what I haven't decided yet in the US or UK. I get a feeling that international med degrees get 'looked down' upon, how true do you think this is?
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hey leorl,
hehehe...yeah..I think you are right. I'm prolly the only person tht goes to UNSW that visits this site, tho' I can't be sure. Anyway, regarding sports facilities, I think most universities in Australia are pretty well equipped. I'm not sure whether you know but Australians do value sports a lot. Hence, I dont think you'll have a problem with looking for sporting facilities. My universities has all the regulars: gym, pool and also various clubs for all kinds of sports that you can join to get involved in. Personally, I dont do much sports myself, so I cant really give you a personal opinion on this..sorry, but from what I heard, most clubs are pretty good to get involved in. In Sydney U for example, there's like a indoor rock-climbing facility which I had been to and I have some friends that really enjoy doing that and I really think that that was heaps of fun! Also, I have a friend who does quite a bit of rowing which she was at Sydney U and it was a whole lot of fun!
KungFuMaster might be able to offer you more insight into this matter I think since he goes to Sydney U.
Take care...
liz....
hehehe...yeah..I think you are right. I'm prolly the only person tht goes to UNSW that visits this site, tho' I can't be sure. Anyway, regarding sports facilities, I think most universities in Australia are pretty well equipped. I'm not sure whether you know but Australians do value sports a lot. Hence, I dont think you'll have a problem with looking for sporting facilities. My universities has all the regulars: gym, pool and also various clubs for all kinds of sports that you can join to get involved in. Personally, I dont do much sports myself, so I cant really give you a personal opinion on this..sorry, but from what I heard, most clubs are pretty good to get involved in. In Sydney U for example, there's like a indoor rock-climbing facility which I had been to and I have some friends that really enjoy doing that and I really think that that was heaps of fun! Also, I have a friend who does quite a bit of rowing which she was at Sydney U and it was a whole lot of fun!
KungFuMaster might be able to offer you more insight into this matter I think since he goes to Sydney U.
Take care...
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Wow, I just want to say thanks to everyone for your awesome advice. Regarding Flinders, I read somewhere that their medical school has only been operating since 1996. Is this something I need to be concerned about?
KungFuMaster: you mentioned in your post that there were a lot of rumours going around re: these schools. I'm really curious....what's being said?
Also, for those already in an Australian Med School, could you post some of the reasons why you chose a particular institution? (If you haven't mentioned so already.)
Thanks!
KungFuMaster: you mentioned in your post that there were a lot of rumours going around re: these schools. I'm really curious....what's being said?
Also, for those already in an Australian Med School, could you post some of the reasons why you chose a particular institution? (If you haven't mentioned so already.)
Thanks!
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Yeah they have got a gym here and the rock climbing stuff. But I don't use them. I don't exercise much.
Rumors ranging from 3rd world country medical schools to Ivy leagues equivalence.
Well I picked Sydney because of the city. I didn't really care about whichever is better. And there are 3 airlines you can choose from for direct flight from L.A. to Sydney.
Oh yes kimberly, I have lived in both cities, Sydney and Adelaide. Trust me on this. I don't want to say how but it is a LONG story. I know that you pay 60 AUD a week uphill from Flinders medical center, right? You get your own sink and stuff.
Yes I am paying 30 AUD a week. It was even cheaper a year ago with 20 AUD a week. We had 6 major teaching hospitals and each has a student accommodation complex. We all get our own room and with some luck, you can even get your own bathroom with the same price. All the utilities, coffee, and laundry are included. However, most medstudents don't live in the complex. I reckon they are pretty nice, at least better than my American dorms.
Rumors ranging from 3rd world country medical schools to Ivy leagues equivalence.
Well I picked Sydney because of the city. I didn't really care about whichever is better. And there are 3 airlines you can choose from for direct flight from L.A. to Sydney.
Oh yes kimberly, I have lived in both cities, Sydney and Adelaide. Trust me on this. I don't want to say how but it is a LONG story. I know that you pay 60 AUD a week uphill from Flinders medical center, right? You get your own sink and stuff.
Yes I am paying 30 AUD a week. It was even cheaper a year ago with 20 AUD a week. We had 6 major teaching hospitals and each has a student accommodation complex. We all get our own room and with some luck, you can even get your own bathroom with the same price. All the utilities, coffee, and laundry are included. However, most medstudents don't live in the complex. I reckon they are pretty nice, at least better than my American dorms.
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The fact that the australian medical schools (four year program) has only been operating for at most 4-5 years, does not seem to be a problem. Australian uni's are still regarded as on par with good US colleges, and it's not like the programs are just brand new really. Most of the colleges have 6 yr. programs which the 4 yr. programs grew out of. I go to a major "medical" university (Case Western Reserve Univ), and after talking to my premed advisor and my regular advisor (who's obviously very biased since he's from NSW) there is nothing to worry about, the Australian schools are quite good and very well reputed world-wide. Plus, I think it's got more to do with how you perform on the boards, rather than location. I mean really, if people from Ohio know about these schools, then their reputation has to be far-reaching, eh? J/k, people from Ohio are actually rather culturally aware - well, once you get out of hicksville.
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kungfumaster:which teaching hosp in sydney do you go to? Is the course at Syd U centred mostly on PBL n stuff like that?
Mika: Main reason for choosing UNSW.. honestly, I don't know, I guess it just happens. I went and did part of my high school in Perth and I guess mainly I just wanted a change of environment, but frankly, I dont think there was a particular reason for me choosing Univ. of NSW. However, I've not regreted making this choice and I'm really happy with it. GD luck!
liz...
Mika: Main reason for choosing UNSW.. honestly, I don't know, I guess it just happens. I went and did part of my high school in Perth and I guess mainly I just wanted a change of environment, but frankly, I dont think there was a particular reason for me choosing Univ. of NSW. However, I've not regreted making this choice and I'm really happy with it. GD luck!
liz...
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Originally posted by KungFuMaster:
•Yeah they have got a gym here and the rock climbing stuff. But I don't use them. I don't exercise much.
Rumors ranging from 3rd world country medical schools to Ivy leagues equivalence.
Well I picked Sydney because of the city. I didn't really care about whichever is better. And there are 3 airlines you can choose from for direct flight from L.A. to Sydney.
Oh yes kimberly, I have lived in both cities, Sydney and Adelaide. Trust me on this. I don't want to say how but it is a LONG story. I know that you pay 60 AUD a week uphill from Flinders medical center, right? You get your own sink and stuff.
Yes I am paying 30 AUD a week. It was even cheaper a year ago with 20 AUD a week. We had 6 major teaching hospitals and each has a student accommodation complex. We all get our own room and with some luck, you can even get your own bathroom with the same price. All the utilities, coffee, and laundry are included. However, most medstudents don't live in the complex. I reckon they are pretty nice, at least better than my American dorms.•••
Sorry if I sounded a bit defensive in my last post; please accept my apologies.
I do believe living in the Flinders hospital housing (provided you can get it - its supposed to be for medical students and visiting professors, etc. and other medical types, but there are heaps of non-medical people living there and students have to wait for a space) is around $60 a week, but it varies depending on whether or not you have a single room w/ or without a/c or a 3 bedroom. I lived off campus in a 4 bedroom Tudor home with ocean views - lovely but no air or heat. "Mild" winters or no, it was still pretty darn cold in that house without my space heater (and don't even get me started about the heat in Adelaide).
True if you are a spendthrift it probably won't matter where you live, but most students live on a budget and Adelaide is relatively cheaper to live in. Exciting and beautiful as Sydney? No, but as you've said everyone has their own preferences - many students come with families for which Adelaide is probably better suited. But it has movie theatres, lovely beaches, etc. which is enough for me - I don't need cutting edge theatre, cafes, etc. although I will admit that having a Taco Bell in Sydney is a MAJOR plus!
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A girl from Cincinatti HATES Sydney so much she rather have gone to Adelaide. I mean it's really a personal preference thing. So MY best advice is to visit the cities first, then decide on your own. I learned that the hard way.
But if you are gonna pick a school in Australia hoping that the reputation of your school can make a difference in your residency, forget about it. An Australian graduate is an Australian graduate.
But if you are gonna pick a school in Australia hoping that the reputation of your school can make a difference in your residency, forget about it. An Australian graduate is an Australian graduate.
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Its fairly easy to do elective rotations in the US. There are some US programs which will not accept foreign medical students (US citizen or not), and there are some who have a policy that they won't accept such students but really do and there are those without any restrictions other than you be in good standing, have health and malpractice insurance.
Most US schools have information on visiting electives on their web sites - its generally a matter of filling out an application, providing proof of insurance, some may require a faculty sponsor, etc. - some may require an application fee/tuition for the rotation, but most I found didn't.
YOu are generally restricted to taking rotations as a final year student, non-core rotations and are not given the elective until the local students have applied for it (ie, you will be last choice for filling the spot).
Best of luck.
Most US schools have information on visiting electives on their web sites - its generally a matter of filling out an application, providing proof of insurance, some may require a faculty sponsor, etc. - some may require an application fee/tuition for the rotation, but most I found didn't.
YOu are generally restricted to taking rotations as a final year student, non-core rotations and are not given the elective until the local students have applied for it (ie, you will be last choice for filling the spot).
Best of luck.
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Hi! I'm from Melbourne, Australia. There are 2 medical schools in Melbourne- Uni of Melbourne and Monash Uni. I'm a fourth year at Monash. I chose Monash cos it had a strong emphasis on patient communication, and in general seemed more interested in developing you as a well rounded doctor rather than someone who knew alot of theory but couldn't communicate to patients. Both unis have reviewed their courses extensively. Melb uni have extened theirs to 7 years to include a compulsory B.Med Sci, and Monash have cut theirs down to 5 years. i really love Monash cos it's laid back. Melb Uni is more traditional and formal and is actually the oldest med school in Australia (over 100 years old), Monash is about 40 years old.
Melb Uni has an active rowing club and they train on the Yarra River (the main river in melb) where just about every rowing club trains (including the Australian Olympic team).
In terms of sydney vs adelaide, i'd pick sydney. Adelaide is very quiet, sydney is racy and melb is in between. Well...i'd pick melb-but i'm abit biased.
You guys prolly already know how the 6 year program works (which is what monash and melb uni work on). 1st 3 years at uni doing lectures etc. and last 3 years out at the teaching hospitals doing clinical work. At monash, 4th year is gen med, 5th year is: med, surg, paeds and O&G and 6th year is pre-intern year. The 4 year program (which is only run at some unis-Queensland, sydney and adelaide i think) is mainly clinical and is for people already with a degree (much like in the US). Hope that helps u guys!!! Please ask anymore question if you've got any. Good Luck!!!
Melb Uni has an active rowing club and they train on the Yarra River (the main river in melb) where just about every rowing club trains (including the Australian Olympic team).
In terms of sydney vs adelaide, i'd pick sydney. Adelaide is very quiet, sydney is racy and melb is in between. Well...i'd pick melb-but i'm abit biased.
You guys prolly already know how the 6 year program works (which is what monash and melb uni work on). 1st 3 years at uni doing lectures etc. and last 3 years out at the teaching hospitals doing clinical work. At monash, 4th year is gen med, 5th year is: med, surg, paeds and O&G and 6th year is pre-intern year. The 4 year program (which is only run at some unis-Queensland, sydney and adelaide i think) is mainly clinical and is for people already with a degree (much like in the US). Hope that helps u guys!!! Please ask anymore question if you've got any. Good Luck!!!
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Yeah I'm a NZ'er (+ UK citizen.. woop go dad !)... first time I saw you post I assumed you went to auckland med... why did you choose to go to oz?
I eventually want to specialise where the money is... but also from what little I know, it helps alot if your residency is at a 'respected' hospital... seperating you from the pack so to speak. I don't think it matters too much in NZ/AU, its respected US hospitals I'm talking about (which I know nothing about .
So, what are peoples opinions about the ability of FMG's to secure good residencies? I have a bad feeling the answer is 'no hope' for competitive specialities. Are schools from OZ/NZ just lumped together with all those 'dodgy' pacific schools in terms of respect in the US?
!)... first time I saw you post I assumed you went to auckland med... why did you choose to go to oz? I eventually want to specialise where the money is... but also from what little I know, it helps alot if your residency is at a 'respected' hospital... seperating you from the pack so to speak. I don't think it matters too much in NZ/AU, its respected US hospitals I'm talking about (which I know nothing about
. So, what are peoples opinions about the ability of FMG's to secure good residencies? I have a bad feeling the answer is 'no hope' for competitive specialities. Are schools from OZ/NZ just lumped together with all those 'dodgy' pacific schools in terms of respect in the US?
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I don't mean to exhaust this whole IMG issue and returning to the US....but how important is it to do clinical rotations in the US as far as residency goes? Do you think the USMLE scores are more important? I have heard that one advantage of doing rotations in the US is that there's a possibilty of signing prematch for a residency spot, but realistically not everyone can count on that.
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