Can someon please tell me how this guy does this!

[alpha2716]

http://robertfmartin.com/what-to-expect.html

Go to this link Its a Dentist/Orthodontist/Oral Surgeon/Endodontist. How does he does this without specializing and doing specialty training read his bio in the about us section. Can everyone do this? How did he train to do all this? Also I bet he makes over like $350,000 a year since he offers all these services am i right. Is this possible for me to do too?

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[sed8nyank4u]

It is Alabama we are talking about here. Anything goes....

No, but seriously, most dental schools still train you how to do a root canal, perform periodontal therapy, extract a tooth, etc. Maybe he updated his website in the last hour-doubt it- but he clearly states he is a "general dentist" and performs procedures within those disciplines. 100% true and probably netting far more than 350k. Is not removing a tooth and putting in a suture or two "oral surgery"? So, yes, you can do it.


"We have noticed that our patients who have learned to trust us and relax when they visit are sometimes anxious about going to yet another dentist for orthodontic care.
For that reason, the doctor and staff are trained in orthodontic procedures so that our patients can have teeth that are more attractive and comfortable without having to go elsewhere for care.
We also perform endodontics (root canals), oral surgery and periodontics (gum treatment) so that our patients don't have to go to a specialist for such procedures."

 

[sgv]

What? Are you asking how is he a general dentist? Cuz he's a general dentist. He didn't claim to be a specialist nor does he advertise as one.
Do you realize gps can do ortho, endo, oral surgery, implants, etc

 

[free99]

Nothing mentioned in that bio seems out of the ordinary. Many GDs selectively choose certain os/endo/ortho procedures to perform themselves; it's up to their discretion to determine when a case is complex enough to refer to a specialist. I've been told continuing ed courses help expand that comfort level.

 

[alpha2716]

Nothing mentioned in that bio seems out of the ordinary. Many GDs selectively choose certain os/endo/ortho procedures to perform themselves; it's up to their discretion to determine when a case is complex enough to refer to a specialist. I've been told continuing ed courses help expand that comfort level.

What? Are you asking how is he a general dentist? Cuz he's a general dentist. He didn't claim to be a specialist nor does he advertise as one.
Do you realize gps can do ortho, endo, oral surgery, implants, etc

It is Alabama we are talking about here. Anything goes....

No, but seriously, most dental schools still train you how to do a root canal, perform periodontal therapy, extract a tooth, etc. Maybe he updated his website in the last hour-doubt it- but he clearly states he is a "general dentist" and performs procedures within those disciplines. 100% true and probably netting far more than 350k. Is not removing a tooth and putting in a suture or two "oral surgery"? So, yes, you can do it.


"We have noticed that our patients who have learned to trust us and relax when they visit are sometimes anxious about going to yet another dentist for orthodontic care.
For that reason, the doctor and staff are trained in orthodontic procedures so that our patients can have teeth that are more attractive and comfortable without having to go elsewhere for care.
We also perform endodontics (root canals), oral surgery and periodontics (gum treatment) so that our patients don't have to go to a specialist for such procedures."

What about if its backwards. If I were an actual orthodontist who had done specialty training could I open a orthodontics practice that provides Orthodontics and General Dentistry?

 

[free99]

What about if its backwards. If I were an actual orthodontist who had done specialty training could I open a orthodontics practice that provides Orthodontics and General Dentistry?

I think their time is better spent working within their specialty, so it rarely (ever?) happens. Also, other GDs would probably be wary of referring to an ortho who dabbles in general dentistry for fear of patient snatching. There was a thread on this exact question, except with omfs instead of ortho. Refer to that for more reading on the topic.

 

[Screwtape]

My general dentist did my wire braces and they turned out great. I've also seen him extract thirds, do a bunch of molar endo, place and restore implants, and the list goes on. A buttload of CE and years of experience make this possible and financially very worth it. It does take some balls though, but with the technology advancing as it is I think this type of general practice is the future.

 

[gryffindor]

You seem to be very worried about making money as a dentist (or a physician based on your posts). If you are going to 100% borrow your way through dental school and residency, there are easier ways to make money. Go major in something like Comp Sci or Econ from a competitive undergrad with a good GPA and you'll be making money a lot sooner with a lot less debt. To make the salaries you are asking about ($250K? $300k? $500k?) in dentistry or medicine requires a lot of years of training, a lot of debt, and then a lot of business skills to run a private practice that they don't teach you in school. Having a successful private practice is more about running a business than it is about being a dentist.

 

[alpha2716]

You seem to be very worried about making money as a dentist (or a hysician based on your posts). If you are going to 100% borrow your way through dental school and residency, there are easier ways to make money. Go major in something like Comp Sci or Econ from a competitive undergrad with a good GPA and you'll be making money a lot sooner with a lot less debt. To make the salaries you are asking about ($250K? $300k? $500k?) in dentistry or medicine requires a lot of years of training, a lot of debt, and then a lot of business skills to run a private practice that they don't teach you in school. Having a successful private practice is more about running a business than it is about being a dentist.

Actually sir I don't plan on borrowing my way through dental school. I plan on trying to get the HPSP (Health Proffesional Scholarship Program). Which pays 100% tuition.

 

[agent2362]

Actually sir I don't plan on borrowing my way through dental school. I plan on trying to get the HPSP (Health Proffesional Scholarship Program). Which pays 100% tuition.

This is not a bad idea based on which school you go to but at alot of major military installations the lowest dentist do mainly exams and filling (mostly amalgam) all day...you ever try to build an amalgam 'onlay' aka cuspal coverage amalgam. It is the equivalent of doing a 2nd molar endo in dentristry (meaning you hate it and aren't very good at it for awhile but you improve). I get the 'priviledge' of doing a specialty day one day a week (perio, OS, CEREC, crown and bridge, ect). Basically, don't expect to very good at crown and bridge in military unless your are a 63B dentist (2 yr military AEGD dentist). 63B's are the closest thing to real dentists in the military. My best advice is that if your school costs under 200k then don't do HPSP. In my case, UoP cost $360 k+ for three yrs and I owed the government 3 years active duty payback, so definitely worth it in my opinion. If you school is less than 200k then join reserve and get the 40K loan repayment (taxable, but you also save plenty from getting health insurance for yourself through the military) for 6 years in the reserves, while making bank in private practice

 

[flurocore]

The military (Navy) was the right option for me. I went to Nova, graduated in 2010, no way was I going to be bogged down in debt. Came out debt free, finishing up the last year of my scholarship - HPSP, did a GPR in the Navy...and getting to use the GI bill money to specialize on the outside now that my commitment is almost over. There are certain aspects of the military I dislike, but its a small sacrifice in the grand scheme of things. Where I was stationed, if you were interested in a specialty, you could work with specialists in that field and once you gain proficiency, they'd allow you to do reasonable cases.

 

[Titus Times]

You seem to be very worried about making money as a dentist (or a physician based on your posts). If you are going to 100% borrow your way through dental school and residency, there are easier ways to make money. Go major in something like Comp Sci or Econ from a competitive undergrad with a good GPA and you'll be making money a lot sooner with a lot less debt. To make the salaries you are asking about ($250K? $300k? $500k?) in dentistry or medicine requires a lot of years of training, a lot of debt, and then a lot of business skills to run a private practice that they don't teach you in school. Having a successful private practice is more about running a business than it is about being a dentist.

This is a great reply for Alpha, just because of his history.

But for everyone else, I think it's funny when people say go into other majors, because it's so hard to make 250k+ in healthcare, but in actuallity you stated the best majors by the way thumbs up. (left out petro engineering, and IB for the ivy guys) but in actuallity those comp sci majors go on to make 50k after taxes for 5+ years, when we would be graduating, then they weasel up to around that 60-80k after taxes if they are lucky.

And I do mean Weasel, I know these guys, these majors, worked with them at restaurants, some have secondary jobs to get by in their 30s, because everyone can't work for google, apple, other top companies, and even those companies don't hire, keep, promote and overpay you for being a decent guy, you have to be excellent.

The dentist that sucks can make 200k a year, by the time he's 35 with a poor practice model if he owns his own. The exceptional dentist can do far better, at that age if he owns his own, with a solid practice model and good location/biz sense. The exceptional computer guy or Econ guy can make 120k GROSS, by mid career, at a good job, in A GOOD ECONOMY. Some people make way more, but some dentist make millions with one practice so the difference for the lucky and exceptinal must apply on both spectrums.

In summary I respect but Honestly I don't buy the lower education ticket, it's about the Level of Dedication, business sense (in any profession) Money sense (savings investing), that get people the big bucks. Luck is unchangable, you need more luck to have a BOSS (we wont have those) pay you more.




You must ADD your knowledge, and Apply all that knowledge at once to truly understand how America and money works. (I have alot more knowledge left to add but I know a bit because I research more than a einstein on Adderal) Take this with a grain of salt, though alot of truth, this is from my perspective.

 

[Katzen7]

This is a great reply for Alpha, just because of his history.

But for everyone else, I think it's funny when people say go into other majors, because it's so hard to make 250k+ in healthcare, but in actuallity you stated the best majors by the way thumbs up. (left out petro engineering, and IB for the ivy guys) but in actuallity those comp sci majors go on to make 50k after taxes for 5+ years, when we would be graduating, then they weasel up to around that 60-80k after taxes if they are lucky.

And I do mean Weasel, I know these guys, these majors, worked with them at restaurants, some have secondary jobs to get by in their 30s, because everyone can't work for google, apple, other top companies, and even those companies don't hire, keep, promote and overpay you for being a decent guy, you have to be excellent.

The dentist that sucks can make 200k a year, by the time he's 35 with a poor practice model if he owns his own. The exceptional dentist can do far better, at that age if he owns his own, with a solid practice model and good location/biz sense. The exceptional computer guy or Econ guy can make 120k GROSS, by mid career, at a good job, in A GOOD ECONOMY. Some people make way more, but some dentist make millions with one practice so the difference for the lucky and exceptinal must apply on both spectrums.

In summary I respect but Honestly I don't buy the lower education ticket, it's about the Level of Dedication, business sense (in any profession) Money sense (savings investing), that get people the big bucks. Luck is unchangable, you need more luck to have a BOSS (we wont have those) pay you more.




You must ADD your knowledge, and Apply all that knowledge at once to truly understand how America and money works. (I have alot more knowledge left to add but I know a bit because I research more than a einstein on Adderal) Take this with a grain of salt, though alot of truth, this is from my perspective.

This 100%. Spot on about both dentists and other occupations. Sure, we all have heard of the IB pulling in how ever many millions, but most are making in the 5 digit range hoping at that peak of their careers to be in the low/mid 6 digits. Dentistry, for all its downsides, is probably the best overall profession out there.

 

[gryffindor]

This is a great reply for Alpha, just because of his history.

But for everyone else, I think it's funny when people say go into other majors, because it's so hard to make 250k+ in healthcare, but in actuallity you stated the best majors by the way thumbs up. (left out petro engineering, and IB for the ivy guys) but in actuallity those comp sci majors go on to make 50k after taxes for 5+ years, when we would be graduating, then they weasel up to around that 60-80k after taxes if they are lucky.

And I do mean Weasel, I know these guys, these majors, worked with them at restaurants, some have secondary jobs to get by in their 30s, because everyone can't work for google, apple, other top companies, and even those companies don't hire, keep, promote and overpay you for being a decent guy, you have to be excellent.

The dentist that sucks can make 200k a year, by the time he's 35 with a poor practice model if he owns his own. The exceptional dentist can do far better, at that age if he owns his own, with a solid practice model and good location/biz sense. The exceptional computer guy or Econ guy can make 120k GROSS, by mid career, at a good job, in A GOOD ECONOMY. Some people make way more, but some dentist make millions with one practice so the difference for the lucky and exceptinal must apply on both spectrums.

In summary I respect but Honestly I don't buy the lower education ticket, it's about the Level of Dedication, business sense (in any profession) Money sense (savings investing), that get people the big bucks. Luck is unchangable, you need more luck to have a BOSS (we wont have those) pay you more.




You must ADD your knowledge, and Apply all that knowledge at once to truly understand how America and money works. (I have alot more knowledge left to add but I know a bit because I research more than a einstein on Adderal) Take this with a grain of salt, though alot of truth, this is from my perspective.

I'm basing my answer on people I've seen in Comp Sci and Econ making more than 120K and not yet mid career and not exceptional by any means. The difference is that in those fields (and the other ones you mentioned), you have a guaranteed paycheck of $X coming your way from day 1. Alpha seems to crave this guarantee. It is extremely difficult to find a guarantee in dentistry as an associate, especially a high dollar guarantee like he keeps asking about. As an owner, nothing is guaranteed. In some ways it's not much different from the guy at the desk job - for example, you have to save in the boom years to weather you through the lean years. As an owner you do have the potential to make a lot more than the petroleum engineer salaried at some company. A dental practice is not shielded from the poor economy either.

If you are going to come out of dental school with 0 debt, then you will have lots of doors open to explore in dentistry. It's the folks coming out with $600k+ from residency looking for dental associate positions and wondering where the $250K jobs are that will have a hard time loving this field.