De la salle university

[De La Salle]

Im a ex student of De La Salle University in Leon, Mexico (IDP PROGRAM). I want to let you know that it has been hard for me to find a job because much of the dental terms where not taught in De La Salle University, the classes are not held in English,there is no organization and bad clinical procedures and the dental comanies and offices do not like that University because of it´s reputation.California is passing a bad time in dentistry, not to much jobs and the license of De La Salle University is ONLY for the state of California. THINK TWICE BEFORE APLYING THERE!!!

I hope they close it and also that the ADA does not aproove it.

PLEASE consider this situation

Thank you

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[GDCH]

Im a ex student of De La Salle University in Leon, Mexico (IDP PROGRAM). I want to let you know that it has been hard for me to find a job because much of the dental terms where not taught in De La Salle University, the classes are not held in English,there is no organization and bad clinical procedures and the dental comanies and offices do not like that University because of it´s reputation.California is passing a bad time in dentistry, not to much jobs and the license of De La Salle University is ONLY for the state of California. THINK TWICE BEFORE APLYING THERE!!!

I hope they close it and also that the ADA does not aproove it.

PLEASE consider this situation

Thank you

hi i am thinking to apply...........
could you tell us why you think that their education level is not good enough to practice in USA?
i talked to my friends who are there at de la salle, they told me that it is a good school. And Dr. Luis said that 1st and 2nd batch of the school is already practicing there in CA.
plz plz post me in private messege. plz send me ur phone no. in messege also.

 

[pavi1230]

Im a ex student of De La Salle University in Leon, Mexico (IDP PROGRAM). I want to let you know that it has been hard for me to find a job because much of the dental terms where not taught in De La Salle University, the classes are not held in English,there is no organization and bad clinical procedures and the dental comanies and offices do not like that University because of it´s reputation.California is passing a bad time in dentistry, not to much jobs and the license of De La Salle University is ONLY for the state of California. THINK TWICE BEFORE APLYING THERE!!!

I hope they close it and also that the ADA does not aproove it.

PLEASE consider this situation

Thank you

Hmmmm, someone is a bit angry!

So, because of the bad "dental terms" and " bad clinical procedures" You cannot get a job?. Thats one crappy statement. You passed the WREB with those "bad clinical procedures", right? Geez!

Something is a bit off key here.

 

[De La Salle]

The Dental Education in Colombia is way better than in the States, I did pass the WREB because of my personal efforts and studies, the University never did nothing.

 

[pavi1230]

The Dental Education in Colombia is way better than in the States, I did pass the WREB because of my personal efforts and studies, the University never did nothing.

Maybe the ADA should have accredited the school you graduated in Colombia! LOL!

Anyhoo! It seems that you had a bit of bad luck, 100k+ in debt and no way to pay. It sucks big time! Move to an area that is not saturated with dentists. California is a pretty big state, there has to be work otherwise you're screwed. Don't blame the school because YOU chose to be there and knew the consequences beforehand( i.e. being California the only state that you can practice).

Sorry amigo and good luck with your future endeavors.

Sincerely.

P

 

[maiabrazil]

well, jut to let you know that I know people they graduated in UOP, USC and other dental schools in U.S. and they don't have a job...so I guess it is not BECAUSE OF the dental school that you don't get a job....It is saturated, bad economy times...

 

[La salle india]

Im a ex La Salle Student from India and I could tell you that I lived discrimination by the Faculty staff durind 2 years I studied there.

I know that times are no good for a good dental job in California, but when they ask you from what University are you from and you say De La Salle they either laugh or never heard of it.I didn´t have another option so De La Salle was may last pick.



.good luck!

 

[cmt68708]

OK, this is not a good thing to hear. I feel as if my world is being crushed right now. I just recently got accepted into this school, of De La Salle, the only thing that i am counting on, is graduating here, then coming to the US to do an international program for 2 years, at one of the universities, and then be accredited by the ADA.

I am very scared, this freaking COUNTRY, the US is a freaking nightmare, why are the costs for dental work so expensive, why are all the dental schools so expensive. I mean, I myself, if I could rule the entire system of dental work, would not charge so much for many jobs. I mean, come on.
DO we all really need to make 150,000 to 200,000 a year.
Do we??
I mean I would be content with 100,000 per year....... I just feel like we over carhge so much for everything nowadays.
I still can't get over the fact that there a lobbyists out there who push for not allowing more dental schools to be made. And dental schools are thinking about cutting their staff and adding more students to the classrooms, its already happening. I heard USC is doing it already.

 

[posted]

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=714572

 

[drmsg]

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=714572

how u know that

 

[De La Salle]

USC is doing great you should wait a bit and apply for USC and not for De La Salle. good luck

 

[gte1974]

I am at the school, and what i can tell people is that clinical skills, personal skills, and how you present yourself will determine your success.

Anybody that says otherwise is blowing smoke, if you are from the 1st generation i understand like any program that there was quirks to fix, but that does not excuse the lack of clinical skills.

I can tell anyone that the specialists that are part of the program are very well trained and each one knows their subjects.

And i find it interesting how some people that have been applying for many years can bad mouth a program that they have not been a part of personally.
It is like me saying that so an so program is not good.
Stop rumors and go directly.

I have classmates that have no clinical skills, and they are not trying to improve, that is not the schools fault.

So stop the rumors as they are dumb, and prepare yourself and gain clinical experience.

 

[pavi1230]

I am at the school, and what i can tell people is that clinical skills, personal skills, and how you present yourself will determine your success.

Anybody that says otherwise is blowing smoke, if you are from the 1st generation i understand like any program that there was quirks to fix, but that does not excuse the lack of clinical skills.

I can tell anyone that the specialists that are part of the program are very well trained and each one knows their subjects.

And i find it interesting how some people that have been applying for many years can bad mouth a program that they have not been a part of personally.
It is like me saying that so an so program is not good.
Stop rumors and go directly.

I have classmates that have no clinical skills, and they are not trying to improve, that is not the schools fault.

So stop the rumors as they are dumb, and prepare yourself and gain clinical experience.

Well put!

I went for the interview last year, and even got accepted!(declined due to personal reasons ). The school is top notch, and the staff, current students where very polite and eager to give a helping hand.

It's funny how three "rotten" apples want to spoil the bunch!

Hasta la vista, baby!

 

[cfar83]

Well, we have heard lots of things about DeLaSalle university and honestly I don't think that their low level of education is a problem, because that school (even tough it has some problems..) clearly has a very good reputation in Mexico, even before it got accreditted by the board.

The main problem here, is if once you get out of that school you really can get a job in California, because as we all know, we are not spending 2 years of our life and almost 90,000 dlls to be unemployed in that state with no other place to go!.
And something else we should really have in consideration are those failing re-accreditation rummors...

Should we apply?
That's the main question.

Let the former students speak by themselves...

 

[gte1974]

cfar83:

1:The economy is bad across the board, example, if this was 5 years ago today, people would not be asking if they could get jobs!, they would deciding where to work in the state.

2::Low level of education?? the course is in english, they are teaching you what is required, they are not obligated in helping you pass any board, so if you have boards passed then this will make the 2 years easier for you as you will be able to practice more and gain clinical experience.

3. Bad reputation in the US? hello last time i checked anything trained outside the US is not considered dentistry, so lets get over the bad reputation thing, as this will never change no matter what, or do you not consider it convenient that specialists from other countries cannot practice in the US, yet they can teach in US universities! who is manipulating this?

4.Failing accreditation? Who started these rumors? the Board of California? LaSalle? or Ex-students speculating or other people that have nothing to do with Cal Board or LaSalle, remember there are a lot of know it alls on these boards, where are they getting their information? Have you not read for about a year about the rumor about the grading on tests for boards, or the retake policy, people assume and this is one more case. If La Salle has to get Re-accreditation is it not normal for all universities?

5. No Job and can only practice in California? well remember after 5 years in good standing in California you can get your license from any other state. Also with this tough economy you will not get hired 5 days a week at the same clinic at $1000 per day!! you will need to find a job at 1,2 or even 3 places to start, but if you are good clinician your hours will expand.

My recommendation is this apply in as many schools as you want, include LaSalle then if you have your pick, do what you feel is best for you.
If you are a good clinician or have been a good clinician things will take care of themselves.

But please don't use 1 or 2 peoples bad experience as your barometer in life, because there is as of today a 10% unemployment in the US, but real unemployment is closer to 18-25% of the US, but if you are a go getter by the time you get in and get out these numbers should be better for you.

Also how long have you been trying to get into a program? how long are you willing to wait just based on someone you've never met and their bad experience???? ? Should you apply? why not??

Well, we have heard lots of things about DeLaSalle university and honestly I don't think that their low level of education is a problem, because that school (even tough it has some problems..) clearly has a very good reputation in Mexico, even before it got accreditted by the board.

The main problem here, is if once you get out of that school you really can get a job in California, because as we all know, we are not spending 2 years of our life and almost 90,000 dlls to be unemployed in that state with no other place to go!.
And something else we should really have in consideration are those failing re-accreditation rummors...

Should we apply?
That's the main question.

Let the former students speak by themselves...

 

[Momani]

I graduated from la salle,i can tell you that i'm so grateful for every single one of the faculty and staff,they tried there best,and now it is up to us to keep going.
I have a job that i like,and most of us are doing just fine.
And lets remember that it was our choice from the begging,and we all acknowledged the fact that our practice is limited to california,so deal with it.

 

[crazytooth]

Hi, Im trying to apply to the program. I guess they haven't refined their website yet, but I dont seem to find the address to where the application is supposed to be mailed. Anybody who has graduated from this university has any information for me...? thanks for the help.

 

[maiabrazil]

webpage with the documents required and address to send them : http://bajio.delasalle.edu.mx/web3/contenidos/oferta_acade-mica/ciro/ciro_ingles.php?op=4


Good Luck

 

[posted]

Hi, Im trying to apply to the program. I guess they haven't refined their website yet, but I dont seem to find the address to where the application is supposed to be mailed. Anybody who has graduated from this university has any information for me...? thanks for the help.

If I were you, I would ask the administration of De la salle school a signed letter from the dean ensuring that your course will be approved once you finish it, in case they loose the board accreditation (which is the most probable scenario)
The present generations ignore this condition and the irresponsable staff is jeopardizing the future and money this students have put faith into just to keep them paying the tuition, they're just not telling them the truth!

Just in case the school doesn't get the accreditation from the board, get that signed letter, in case you wanna suin them, just in case.

 

[maiabrazil]

I don't know why you are saying we are ignoring this info???? just to let you know my generation has the accreditation so that means MY CLASSMATES AND I FROM CIRO 4 ARE FINEEE!!!The problem will be the next generation IF they don't get accreditation from the next year ahead...SO, DON'T POST WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW!!!

 

[drmoby]

I'm a senior student in De LASALLE university
I would like to say that we have to be realistic in discussing such issues.
A- This is an oppourtunity that many wish to have.
B- We need to understand the oppourtunities and limitation of this program and if it does not suit you, then do not join it, no one would push you to do so
C- It is a 2 years program and yes it is in Mexico and the patients are Mexicans, so oppourtunities would be learning a new language, practice extensively and learn more beside the fact that you will learn a different culture that you would deal with back in California.... That is objective of this program. The program covers many aspects a gerneral practioner would need in a friendly enviroment.
D- Liability in US would not allow many students in other programs to practice on patients.....pls. check by yourself.
E- As for credential of De la salle ...highly recognized in Mexico and do not forget that universities in US try to put other schools down...this is life. The real deal is your work at the end of the day.
F- Economy is bad everywhere and that is why many would feel bad...even those graduated from US they feel the economical crunch and many are without job.

 

[omaralt]

cfar83:
5. No Job and can only practice in California? well remember after 5 years in good standing in California you can get your license from any other state. Also with this tough economy you will not get hired 5 days a week at the same clinic at $1000 per day!! you will need to find a job at 1,2 or even 3 places to start, but if you are good clinician your hours will expand.
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unfortunately thats not true. most (all?) states require you to have taken and passed a regional licensing exam (WREB's, NERBs, etc) and have graduated from a US dental school. this is my understanding

 

[gte1974]

unfortunately thats not true. most (all?) states require you to have taken and passed a regional licensing exam (WREB's, NERBs, etc) and have graduated from a US dental school. this is my understanding

O how the under informed will speak.

Omaralt, since you obviously don't know the full rules, and they do vary by state, i will say this much:

I have foreign friends that are practicing in other states, it is called "Licensure by Credentials" and most states have these in place and they require 5 years in good standing, NBDE 1 and 2, regional board used by state or equivalent( We use WREB) and the other standard stuff.

But the kicker is this for you! because i did ask a lawyer, the states that accept states Licensure by Credentials, recognize the rules of the other state, so the states that specifically ask that the School be ADA certified are subject to a lawsuit, and this is an extremely winnable case for any adventurous foreign dentist.
Since states are very different from ADA( ADA is very powerful, but states have limited resources and burden of proof)

As the lawyer stated: "You are not fighting ADA, you are making the state """"""" prove that they are superior to California, or that California is inferior to all states that they accept licensure from credentials from, or even better the state would have to produce compelling evidence that California standards are below National Level, and this would mean $$$$ spent by the state, when the state is only interested in competent Dentists, Remember he said ADA can show a lot of years of tradition of not having schools fully accredited outside the US, but a state cannot show in the last 5 years that California is inferior"

For the Record: Personally I would not sue a state!!

But by my count when i checked this about 2 years ago, i found i believe 8 states that did not specify the school requirement in "Licensure by Credentials" it is called a loophole or ommision, and according to an attorney it is a very expandable loophole( to any state), since the burden of proof would befall upon the state in question to prove that California is inferior in Dental quality and that their licensing requirement is faulty and therefore inferior to the rest of the country, and this would mean that WREB is faulty in itself( once again $$$$$).

So when I counted it was 8 states, today it could be less, but unlikely because state legislatures would have to be addressing this specifically with prior problems from foreign flow of Dentists that are committing serious violations and affecting public opinion coming directly from California ( it is politics, so they care if it affects their reelection).

The numbers are so low of flow of Dentists to other states, that i doubt this has happened, but i could be wrong on this front, and ADA could be addressing this directly and lobbying states.

But the California bill: states that any school approved by the Dental Board is Equivalent to a California school.

So for the record before i wrote this i found 3 states that this applies to directly, for Licensure by Credentials.

Prove me wrong and research all 50 states.

BTW
Not trying to offend anyone, buy I did my homework on this subject since it affects me directly.

 

[Raju Dhariwal]

Teachers are great, they help you with what ever you need one to one (dont be shy or too high headed to ask for help ). The program has evolved as everything does with time. The concerns and bad remarks made earlier may or may not be true, I dont know, I wasn't here at that time, but I know this for sure, It takes time and experience to get any program fine tuned. This program got recognized because it had met the qualifications set by California, but ever since then, they have become much better at what they do. Maybe there weren't enough patients in the past, now we have tons of patients and I am gaining a lot of clinical experience. I have not experienced any discrimination here by staff or the faculty. Everyone smiles and are willing to help and teach you. A person who wants to learn will learn anywhere, and the one who doesn't will find excuses for their failures. This is a great school and I am loving it here. Thanks for your attention.

 

[omaralt]

you can believe what you wish, but i speak from facts. i was interested in going to either georgia or north carolina and both require you to graduate from an ADA accredited school. this is a list of the ADA accredited programs:

http://www.ada.org/267.aspx

la salle is not on there.

here is a link to the georgia board of dentistry licensure by credentials website:

http://rules.sos.state.ga.us/docs/150/7/04.pdf

read under section 8.b

(b) Must have received a doctor of dental surgery (D.D.S.) degree or a doctor of dental medicine (D.M.D.) degree from a dental school approved by the board and accredited by the Commission on Dental Accreditation of the American Dental Association (A.D.A.) or its successor agency.

all the other websites i went to stated the same thing. i would definitely check the individual state that you wish to go to and make sure they will accept you before you go this route.

so what i'm trying to say is that if you plan on practicing in any state other than CA i would be very careful going here, because more than likely you will end up being stuck in CA for the duration of your career.

O how the under informed will speak.

Omaralt, since you obviously don't know the full rules, and they do vary by state, i will say this much:

I have foreign friends that are practicing in other states, it is called "Licensure by Credentials" and most states have these in place and they require 5 years in good standing, NBDE 1 and 2, regional board used by state or equivalent( We use WREB) and the other standard stuff.

But the kicker is this for you! because i did ask a lawyer, the states that accept states Licensure by Credentials, recognize the rules of the other state, so the states that specifically ask that the School be ADA certified are subject to a lawsuit, and this is an extremely winnable case for any adventurous foreign dentist.
Since states are very different from ADA( ADA is very powerful, but states have limited resources and burden of proof)

As the lawyer stated: "You are not fighting ADA, you are making the state """"""" prove that they are superior to California, or that California is inferior to all states that they accept licensure from credentials from, or even better the state would have to produce compelling evidence that California standards are below National Level, and this would mean $$$$ spent by the state, when the state is only interested in competent Dentists, Remember he said ADA can show a lot of years of tradition of not having schools fully accredited outside the US, but a state cannot show in the last 5 years that California is inferior"

For the Record: Personally I would not sue a state!!

But by my count when i checked this about 2 years ago, i found i believe 8 states that did not specify the school requirement in "Licensure by Credentials" it is called a loophole or ommision, and according to an attorney it is a very expandable loophole( to any state), since the burden of proof would befall upon the state in question to prove that California is inferior in Dental quality and that their licensing requirement is faulty and therefore inferior to the rest of the country, and this would mean that WREB is faulty in itself( once again $$$$$).

So when I counted it was 8 states, today it could be less, but unlikely because state legislatures would have to be addressing this specifically with prior problems from foreign flow of Dentists that are committing serious violations and affecting public opinion coming directly from California ( it is politics, so they care if it affects their reelection).

The numbers are so low of flow of Dentists to other states, that i doubt this has happened, but i could be wrong on this front, and ADA could be addressing this directly and lobbying states.

But the California bill: states that any school approved by the Dental Board is Equivalent to a California school.

So for the record before i wrote this i found 3 states that this applies to directly, for Licensure by Credentials.

Prove me wrong and research all 50 states.

BTW
Not trying to offend anyone, buy I did my homework on this subject since it affects me directly.

 

[BlueToothHunter]

I also know of a CA licensed general dentist (been practicing for 5 years) who wanted to join the US Army Reserves as a dentist but he was told that he couldn't due to the fact that his dental degree was from non-ADA accredited program. I know it's silly, but he's now regretting the fact that perhaps he should have done the two year program. He was one of the last group of foreign dentists who took the bench test and received their CA dental license.

By the way, CA is so saturated with dentists from everywhere including the three SoCal + two NorCal dental schools, international DDS/DMD programs, out of state graduates and the foreign trained dentists... I wonder why any body would want to move here now? Because of the weather? Family? No other option? Still believe in California dream?

 

[De La Salle]

Many of us are scared to realize that this school is crappy.
Even the teachers and chief director say it's in very bad conditions, the purpose is ONE that we all know. FINANCIAL!!!

the owners of this university are "priests" and there just going after the $$$$, regardless of it's conditions. remember it's mexico!

My sister and nephew applied and they where so surprised of the inner corruption, preferences and favoritisim to other students.
they accept students based on how many contacts they have in this university not based on their knowledge. AMAZING!

I have 4 friends from the fist generation and wowww...paying so much money for what type of schooling...its just a piece of paper your going after.

just giving you the heads-up

good luck!

 

[dental2009]

Im a ex student of De La Salle University in Leon, Mexico (IDP PROGRAM). I want to let you know that it has been hard for me to find a job because much of the dental terms where not taught in De La Salle University, the classes are not held in English,there is no organization and bad clinical procedures and the dental comanies and offices do not like that University because of it´s reputation.California is passing a bad time in dentistry, not to much jobs and the license of De La Salle University is ONLY for the state of California. THINK TWICE BEFORE APLYING THERE!!!

I hope they close it and also that the ADA does not aproove it.

PLEASE consider this situation

Thank you

I thought you already graduated from a dental school where you are from and you suppose have skills and know all the terms.
anyways, whats the other option if you couldnt get into any of the programs in the US?
go to Mexico and get a license in California or stay here and work as an assistant?

 

[Dr World]

I graduated from la salle,i can tell you that i'm so grateful for every single one of the faculty and staff,they tried there best,and now it is up to us to keep going.
I have a job that i like,and most of us are doing just fine.
And lets remember that it was our choice from the begging,and we all acknowledged the fact that our practice is limited to california,so deal with it.

Hi I want ask about finance how can I get finance for this program

 

[duggi]

Hi I want ask about finance how can I get finance for this program

Did you get an acceptance from this school?

 

[Dr World]

Not yet

 

[Rinku1]

Did anyone get acceptance or rejection in 2015 cycle??

 

[Rinku1]

Did you get an acceptance from this school?

Hey Duggi,
how about you? did you apply to de la salle? Have you heard anything?

 

[Sugarcube]

Did anyone get acceptance or rejection in 2015 cycle??

I received acceptance yesterday.

 

[Rinku1]

Amazing!! Congratulations!!
When are you going to pay fees??

 

[luckyIlya]

I received acceptance yesterday.

Hi. How did you pay for tuition. Did you apply for student loan in US?

 

[waelki6]

I received acceptance yesterday.

Congrats !!!!
-I guess by now you are almost done from stage one of spanish course prep to get in the actual dental program on January 2016 ?
-How much is the tuition for the IDP- 2yrs program and can it be financed thru American loan/s ?
-Also ,what about housing/ in-campus living and costs ?
if any one have an answer to the above questions that will help and we will be great full since nothing mentioned on the website or may be am missing the right link !!
Good luck to you all

 

[Patico]

I'm from Colombia and to became dentist is my big dream, I did dental tech in my country and move to USA. I worked with a Pankey Dentist for 7 years in New York and right now I worked for the Pankey institute and I was thinking to apply for the dental program at la salle university .
please help me regarding this process

 

[magicsparkles]

I received acceptance yesterday.

How did you apply. I am trying to apply to the undergraduate dental school but I don't see the admission process on the website?

 

[Ali527]

Call them

How did you apply. I am trying to apply to the undergraduate dental school but I don't see the admission process on the website?

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[Rehnuma Khan]

I received acceptance yesterday.

Hi, I want to know about the practice opportunity after graduation? are we limited to CA for a lifetime or we can move to other states too?
Thanks in advance.
Rehnuma.

 

[Rehnuma Khan]

hi i am thinking to apply...........
could you tell us why you think that their education level is not good enough to practice in USA?
i talked to my friends who are there at de la salle, they told me that it is a good school. And Dr. Luis said that 1st and 2nd batch of the school is already practicing there in CA.
plz plz post me in private messege. plz send me ur phone no. in messege also.

Hi, could you please tell me the opportunity to practice after graduation? Are we limited to CA for A lifetime or we can practice in other states too.
Thanks in advance.
Rehnuma.

 

[Go2work]

Hello all any news on what's going on with the Generation that starts in August 2021, if there even is one?