DPT degree in practice for PTs

[guetzow]

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[ONstudentPT]

"Most PT is done in hospital settings. And they are becoming the laughingstock of the hospital because ortho snobs like you want to pretend to be doctors and have direct access. Believe me, you do not want the responsibility that entails with the training you have."

What are you talking about? Clearly you have no clue? Here in Canada PTs have had direct access for years now everywheree and it has been a benefit for the public and the health-care industry. Understand what you are talking about before making comments like that. What ignorance...

 

[guetzow]

We're American. We get PAID.

 

[ONstudentPT]

We're American. We get PAID.

You think Canadian MDs dont get paid? They make the most out of any profession here in Canada. GPs make about 240 grand a year. specialist make up to 400-500 grand. So i dont know where you are getting your information from. If you are referring to DOs .. well then they definetly dont get paid in Canada cause they dont exist and cant get liscenced. Try getting into a med school in Canada with a mean entering GPA of 3.88(check the McMaster Medschool website) then you can understand what it means to be an MD here in Canada. Even to get into physio is very competitive with an average entering GPA of over 3.7 and just to get invited to an interview you must have a 3.65 ( again this a fact). So dont be so quick to jump to conclusions without knowing the facts first.

 

[truthseeker]

I don't think so. Most PT is done in hospital settings. And they are becoming the laughingstock of the hospital because ortho snobs like you want to pretend to be doctors and have direct access. Believe me, you do not want the responsibility that entails with the training you have.

I used to think this was a place for civil discussions. I guess it is just full of a bunch of pricks who can do nothing but belittle other's professions. If the PTs in your area deserve to be laughingstocks then I am sorry for you and them. I feel well respected, I am not pretending to be a doctor, I am sure that you think that I am delusional about the respect thing. And, since you are going to be a doctor, well then I guess you know more about everything than anyone.

I think maybe, just maybe, you didn't get it in PT school. Thats why you chose an area where you sit in an ICU and move comatose limbs. Thats pretty skilled. If that is your idea of what PT is then you are a serious underachiever, slacker, etc . .

Do you know how to differentiate a lumbar disk injury from a facet injury without a $1000 MRI? probably not. How about a rotator cuff tear from bursitis, how about a patellar subluxation from an ACL injury, how about etc . . .

I am not sure what about my training is inadequate to handle that stuff. If they don't fit the pattern, then they get the doctor visit. Heck they are probably going to get that first anyway 90% of the time.

Go to med school, learn how to order films and blood work and do the medical stuff. I'm done with this thread, noone here is listening to anyone, its a pissing contest.

bye

 

[delicatefade]

I did get it in PT school. It's just that 80%+ of what they teach is not used in a clinical setting. Unless you're going into research, in which case I think it's great.

Not everyone in the ICU is comatose, and if that's what you think I guess it shows how much you know about the rest of the PT work. And I'm not a slacker. I worked in SCI/TBI rehab before coming to medical school. This is just a PRN job where I can work some Saturdays if I feel like it WHILE I AM IN MEDICAL SCHOOL.

And yes, I do know how to distinguish the various Dx you listed, thank you very much. I'm not an idiot. But let me point something out to you. Did you notice that every single differential you put down was a musculoskeletal diagnosis??? RTC tear vs. bursitis, disk vs. facet, etc.

THAT is the downside of PT education for direct access and you just proved the point. In the examples you listed, your alternate Dx were just other musculoskeletal Dx that could produce similar symptoms. You're absolutely right: your training IS adequate to handle that stuff. But how 'bout other pathophysiology??? Can you think of any diagnosis ELSEWHERE in the body that could produce musculoskeletal symptoms or symptoms that could be confused by a patient as such??? Really??? Do you know how to distinguish THOSE??? Can you order the tests necessary to weed them out??? You can certainly argue that the majority of patients that have MS sx will have a MS dx and that may be true, but do you REALLY want it to be your @ss when that patient with LBP that comes into see you yet just isn't getting any better despite your PT expertise and hasn't had his PSA tested or a rectal exam recently turns out to have bone mets??? I'm guessing not.

If you REALLY want to be a primary care provider, then you need to go to medical school or at least become a physician extender (PA/NP). Otherwise, you should stick to what you are an expert at.

 

[delicatefade]

"Most PT is done in hospital settings. And they are becoming the laughingstock of the hospital because ortho snobs like you want to pretend to be doctors and have direct access. Believe me, you do not want the responsibility that entails with the training you have."

What are you talking about? Clearly you have no clue? Here in Canada PTs have had direct access for years now everywheree and it has been a benefit for the public and the health-care industry. Understand what you are talking about before making comments like that. What ignorance...

well, you certainly showed me...

 

[guetzow]

Does Canada have registered healers, like the UK?

 

[ONstudentPT]

Does Canada have registered healers, like the UK?

registered healers? I am not even sure what your point is or where you are getting at with that... Try to make a bit more sense. From your earlier post it sounded like you were trying to belittle Canadian medicine and/or healthcare which is ridiculous.

 

[guetzow]

 

[ONstudentPT]

You wish you were smart enough to get into Candian medical school but you know you are not thats why you didnt address my earlier post. The truth speaks for itself

There is clearly no reason to continue a dialogue with someone with this kind of intellect and ignorance.

So take care and good luck!

P.S. I am sure there are many competent and bright MDs in the US but those would clearly understand that Canadian educated MDs are some of the best in the world!

 

[delicatefade]

Of course, because we all know that undergraduate grades determine how good of a doctor you will be.

 

[ProZackMI]

You wish you were smart enough to get into Candian medical school but you know you are not thats why you didnt address my earlier post. The truth speaks for itself

There is clearly no reason to continue a dialogue with someone with this kind of intellect and ignorance.

So take care and good luck!

P.S. I am sure there are many competent and bright MDs in the US but those would clearly understand that Canadian educated MDs are some of the best in the world!

guetzow is a physician assistant; he's not a physician. He's the one who pretends to be a "doctor". Guetzow, leave the poor PTs alone and go make yourself useful and go back to ASSISTING your boss, the REAL DOCTOR. Meh, it's hard to find good help these days.

 

[ProZackMI]

Of course, because we all know that undergraduate grades determine how good of a doctor you will be.

They got Guetzow and Lawguil into PA school!!!!!!!!!

 

[lawguil]

They got Guetzow and Lawguil into PA school!!!!!!!!!

Just to prevent any additional confusion....I am not a PA nor am I in PA school nor have I ever applied to PA school!

 

[ProZackMI]

Just to prevent any additional confusion....I am not a PA nor am I in PA school nor have I ever applied to PA school!

So, besides a pompous ass, what are you? What is your background?

 

[Coastie]

http://www.vu.edu.au/Faculties/Heal...e/Schools/Health_Sciences/Paramedic_Sciences/

There you go!

A doctorate in paramedic sciences.

Bottom line is everybody wants the doctor title without working for it.

I guarantee you in 5 years we'll have "PARAMEDICAL DOCTOR" where ******* paragod jockeys can run around calling themselves "doctor"

Its all quite ridiculous.

I'm sure the PA programs are also dreaming about transitioning to a "doctoral" program. They'll probably add on one extra year and then try to pass it off as a real doctorate.

 

[guetzow]

The PT in our clinic has a BS, supervises 3 other PTAs, makes her own schedule, has her own office, haggles out her own compensation, and is not a "D"PT.