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Coming to my shop for ENT that wants to do inspire. New to me and sounds risky. Anybody doing these?
Concerns, or no big deal?
Concerns, or no big deal?
Piece of cake.Coming to my shop for ENT that wants to do inspire. New to me and sounds risky. Anybody doing these?
Concerns, or no big deal?
This was the concerning part to me. Only had one guy in our group do the first batch, maybe he was being dramatic about all the plunging desats. On the plus side, I’m told there is a BMI cutoff of like 33?One wrinkle: our surgeon used to want them done on room air. I think it was part of grading how bad their OSA was.
I never found it to be too big a deal. You can see what is happening as they obstruct so you can anticipate desaturation and obviously the surgeon needs to not be a dick about you providing airway maneuvers while they do their exam.This was the concerning part to me. Only had one guy in our group do the first batch, maybe he was being dramatic about all the plunging desats. On the plus side, I’m told there is a BMI cutoff of like 33?
Per the protocol they have for us here, no.Do the ENT docs allow u to give supplemental O2??
Protocol is no supplemental O2. Which is fine, you just expect a little desat and can mask if needed after scope is out.Per the protocol they have for us here, no.
Protocol is no supplemental O2. Which is fine, you just expect a little desat and can mask if needed after scope is out.
The more annoying part is CMS now allows the sleep endoscopy and the Inspire insertion to be done the same OR visit (clearly very high pre-test probability), so now you get to induce a pt that has been the exact opposite of pre-oxygenated.
They’ve already presumably had a sleep study, no? So if you know they desat why no 02 if all you should be evaluating is airway collapse?These patients are CPAP intolerant, so by leaving them on room air and inducing sleep you are trying to mimic exactly what happened each night when they fall asleep. They obstruct and desaturate. If they didn’t, they wouldn’t be there. The cases are quick and easy, but not intervening when their sats are dropping is annoying. Still, these are some of the quickest and easiest cases you can get.
<35does the device company have a bmi cutoff?
Negligible risk of laryngospasm. They are not manipulating the airway.I haven’t done these either. Do they topicalize the nasal airway ? Seems like it would be less stressful than egd. Less risk of laryngospasm too.the obese egd are my least favorite cases.
I've been told they don't want any flow distorting the anatomyThey’ve already presumably had a sleep study, no? So if you know they desat why no 02 if all you should be evaluating is airway collapse?
I've been told they don't want any flow distorting the anatomy
I've been told they don't want any flow distorting the anatomy
I very much doubt itThis is based on evidence?
I very much doubt it
You are 100% correct. I sat through a talk on this a couple of weeks ago and the ENT was quick to admit that it's the wild west with these. Every center going with their own "protocol." You don't need to withhold oxygen (that's what the sleep study is for). This should only be to evaluate dynamic collapse in a person who has already been confirmed to have OSA.They’ve already presumably had a sleep study, no? So if you know they desat why no 02 if all you should be evaluating is airway collapse?
At a minimum, I’m thinking when I’m up, giving some solid pre oxygenation then begrudgingly removing/stopping it immediately prior to propofol.You are 100% correct. I sat through a talk on this a couple of weeks ago and the ENT was quick to admit that it's the wild west with these. Every center going with their own "protocol." You don't need to withhold oxygen (that's what the sleep study is for). This should only be to evaluate dynamic collapse in a person who has already been confirmed to have OSA.
Our ENT wants these patients intubated.
Wait what? For the DISE?Our ENT wants these patients intubated.
For the inspire procedure. Intubated no relaxants.Wait what? For the DISE?
That's step 2.For the inspire procedure. Intubated no relaxants.