Anyone have experience using EBM Medical for compound pharmacy products? If so, what are your ethical concerns? Do you disclose the financial relationship to your patients? Seems like a potential kickback liability....
Many have gotten in trouble due to kickback situations with compounding medications.
The answer you will get is to contact a healthcare attorney and it is probably the right answer.
Some doctors have gotten together and formed a company and the money goes to the company and is then later dispersed to the owners to try a circumvent the kickback situation....wether this is a legit work around I have no idea. It sounds like things politicians do.
Even if you can avoid kickbacks charges, if you over prescribe expensive treatments you get paid for, you can still get in trouble with state boards.
Thanks for the reply, EBM seems a little more of a gray area since it is all cash pay, no insurance billed. But I'm sure there's still some potential liability...It wasn’t until investigator Terhaar called him a year later that he learned his insurance company had been billed $38,371 for the meds”
Stark Laws don't discriminate between insurance payments and cash payments.Thanks for the reply, EBM seems a little more of a gray area since it is all cash pay, no insurance billed. But I'm sure there's still some potential liability...
Concur... in addition to "potential kickback liability," there is also look-at-yourself-in-the-mirror liability.Just stay away. If podiatrists have to turn to these ridiculous practices just to make a buck do you really think this is a good profession?
Just stay away. If podiatrists have to turn to these ridiculous practices just to make a buck do you really think this is a good profession?
Podiatry is a medical profession. There are bad characters in every medical profession. But based on the experiences of most posters on here I think we all know a ton of podiatrists who cut corners all the time to make an extra buck. It is more prevalent than what is typically seen in MD/DO world. My two cents. Agree to disagree.Yes, of course, because Podiatry is the only profession on Earth where there are shady people, doing shady things to make a buck, right? EVERY profession has shysters. Give me a break.
Honestly, what is wrong with some of you? If you're that unhappy about the profession you chose, get out of it. Jeez.
I thought Stark Law is specifically in relation to billing Medicare/Medicaid?Stark Laws don't discriminate between insurance payments and cash payments.
Ummm....please don't check out the memes of podiatry threadYes, of course, because Podiatry is the only profession on Earth where there are shady people, doing shady things to make a buck, right? EVERY profession has shysters. Give me a break.
Honestly, what is wrong with some of you? If you're that unhappy about the profession you chose, get out of it. Jeez.
It is more common because there are more solo practitioners and a bad job market. It is not because MDs are morally superior. Less oversight and one person making the decisions that benefits them directly in podiatry. Job saturation and many opening their offices who can not find a good job who struggle in the early years or longer adds to the temptation. Once bad habits are formed they continue.Podiatry is a medical profession. There are bad characters in every medical profession. But based on the experiences of most posters on here I think we all know a ton of podiatrists who cut corners all the time to make an extra buck. It is more prevalent than what is typically seen in MD/DO world. My two cents. Agree to disagree.
Precisely.It is more common because there are more solo practitioners and a bad job market. ...
I thought Stark Law is specifically in relation to billing Medicare/Medicaid?
The schools just don't want to accept they have not only a moral responsibility to make sure there are enough residencies but also not to increase the number of schools/slots for students until there is a decent job market.
They don't want to own that they should accept at least some of the responsibility for the shady things that go on due to saturation......nope diabetes is increasing and people are aging so we are sticking to that as a reason we need even more podiatrists. We said it before and it was not true 20 years ago, but we are sticking to it.
It is so sad with 3 year residencies for all (currently) we are still so much like Chiro in PP
ABN still requires sending the claim to Medicare. This is all cash, no insurance involvement whatsoeverMy understanding is that if you have the patient sign an ABN, and charge them cash because Medicare doesn't cover it, and self refer, you are still in violation.
Anything you dispense to a patient that they will pay cash for not, covered by Medicare, requires an ABN. Otherwise, it can be considered fraud.ABN still requires sending the claim to Medicare. This is all cash, no insurance involvement whatsoever
Yes. My last job I was not considered a Medicaid provider. I was not allowed to charge patient cash.My understanding is that if you have the patient sign an ABN, and charge them cash because Medicare doesn't cover it, and self refer, you are still in violation.
Certainly researching a career beyond just podiatry school and national organizations websites is the responsibility of the potential student.Sorry, but I don't understand this ideology. Why don't you hold every college and university to this standard? It's not a school's job to educate their students about future potential for them is it? This is mostly shirking one's own responsibility and pointing the finger.
Why is it that people make a $300K investment but are clueless about the future potential of this investment? Many spend more time massaging their stock portfolio than they do thinking about investing in their lifelong career.
Schools are also not responsible for the "shady things that go on". It has nothing to do with saturation. It has everything to do with individual greed.
More schools/students is the LAST thing this profession needs. We should be LIMITING the supply of podiatrists not expanding it. That'll give us more leverage with hospitals/employers/insurance plans as the population ages. Once the vast majority of residency grads can get GOOD jobs paying above 150k at a minimum, then maybe we expand the enrollment poolCertainly researching a career beyond just podiatry school and national organizations websites is the responsibility of the potential student.
Individual fraud is also not a school's legal liability.
I do think you being naive if you do not think a bad job market and saturation does not lead to more going into solo practice and doing more scammy things. It does. More schools and more slots for students will make things even worse.....if enrollment increases again.
The schools and some national organizations make false claims for the need for even more podiatrists to justify the expansion when they know this is not true. I feel this is morally wrong. We can agree to disagree.
More schools/students is the LAST thing this profession needs. We should be LIMITING the supply of podiatrists not expanding it. That'll give us more leverage with hospitals/employers/insurance plans as the population ages. Once the vast majority of residency grads can get GOOD jobs paying above 150k at a minimum, then maybe we expand the enrollment pool
I just threw upOur CRNAs just signed new contracts, they are salaried, no production, they rotate call. $300k.
I think the horse on this has been beat to death here, but TL;DR the schools and national organizations tend to over-promise the future and current prospects of the profession. So yes, it's borderline predatory to keep recruiting new students and keep building new schools to put an even greater amount of students per year in $350k debt. Given the fact that even more students will equal even worse job prospects for the whole cohort when they graduate residency. It's kind of daft to say it's the students responsibility to know this before they enter school. As a student, you can only do so much research until you just trust schools and national organizations to sell you straight on what they're offering. Unfortunately, they mostly are not.Sorry, but I don't understand this ideology. Why don't you hold every college and university to this standard? It's not a school's job to educate their students about future potential for them is it? This is mostly shirking one's own responsibility and pointing the finger.
Why is it that people make a $300K investment but are clueless about the future potential of this investment? Many spend more time massaging their stock portfolio than they do thinking about investing in their lifelong career.
Schools are also not responsible for the "shady things that go on". It has nothing to do with saturation. It has everything to do with individual greed.
This.Yup. When our job market looks like that of CRNAs, then add all the schools you want. Our CRNAs just signed new contracts, they are salaried, no production, they rotate call. $300k. They can all get jobs anywhere in the country for similar pay (probably a little less in many non-rural places). They can also all do travel work anywhere in the country for more money. If I got fired tomorrow I’m not getting a job anywhere near where I live without opening up my own practice. There are 0 openings for employed positions in my state or the 3 surrounding states.
I think the horse on this has been beat to death here, but TL;DR the schools and national organizations tend to over-promise the future and current prospects of the profession. So yes, it's borderline predatory to keep recruiting new students and keep building new schools to put an even greater amount of students per year in $350k debt. Given the fact that even more students will equal even worse job prospects for the whole cohort when they graduate residency. It's kind of daft to say it's the students responsibility to know this before they enter school. As a student, you can only do so much research until you just trust schools and national organizations to sell you straight on what they're offering. Unfortunately, they mostly are not.
Your point is well taken .....the buyer needs to do their due diligence.Sorry, but every school in every profession does this. They want students. Right now, Law and Engineering do exactly the same thing. You guys seriously live in a bubble and complain about "OMFG Podiatry!" This happens everywhere, all the time. Do we need all these Universities full of Liberal Arts students? "Don't worry, you'll get something..." Do any of you have college age kids right now?
You guys are the naive ones thinking our profession is the bad gorilla. It's not. It's the same everywhere, in every field. No greater example than General Contractors. They get millions of dollars into debt on projects, take HUGE amounts off the top, pay off politicians to look the other way for inspections, and then go bankrupt, after putting the money they skimmed somewhere where it's untouchable. They go to jail for 5 years, pay the fines, and are still multi millionaires. This isn't the movies. I know multiple examples like this all over the USA. FL, TX, VA, PA, NJ. Crooks are everywhere. In every field.
Your point is well taken .....the buyer needs to do their due diligence.
No matter what your ideology is on the issue the expansion is ridiculous.
There is not a great job market and solo practice is not getting easier.....yet more schools.
Why?
For profit DO schools that want another program and Texas pride I suppose. Leaders that either don't care or can do nothing about it.