Exam Room #2: Treatment Resistant Pain-Addict on Release from VA...

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"This is a 66 year old medically complex, morbidly obese, opiate tolerant woman who presents to clinic at request of her VA doctor for assessment for her chronic pain. She was tapered from 220 MME to zero over 6 months. The request from her referring provider is to support a no-narcotic pain treatment plan and offer alternatives. When I asked the patient about her pain complaint, she is unable to clearly define it. She states it changes from day to day and from time to time. States that she “wants pain medication back and to be left the hell alone”. When asked how she spends her day she states "mostly napping and reading Facebook." She has multiple pain complaints that started in 1968 service connected injuries. It’s always been the same or worse. She thinks it will never be better. She doesn't understand the rationale for tapering her medications or what she needs to do to get them back. She's says she angry, feels betrayed by her country and government, and believes larger sociological forces are interfering with her liberty and personal health care decisions... "

Well...what's your next move?

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1. Invent time machine
2. Refuse this referral with extreme prejudice when it comes across your desk
3. PROFIT
 
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So this info was not provided prior to appt?
 
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Reassure her that opiates not indicated. Have a nice day, buh bye.
Walk out as she is talking, spray room with lots of disinfectant.
 
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Could be a LOT worse. Try to educate and reassure but in the end do what Steve says.

In cases like this, I try to throw some support to the pcp by telling the pt they did the right thing.
 
Unfortunately the only thing that will change this patient is decades of intense psychotherapy and CBT. I bet this patient views themselves as a victim of a large conspiracy against them to save money and decrease their service connected benefits, am I right? This likely all started ages ago with some severe childhood or parental issue, person joined the military and this has morphed into a perfect storm of chronic malingering and chemical coping. Best to cut your losses. Recommend psychologist and therapy, possibly antidepressants.
 
What jobs did women have in the military in 1968?

Yah, that is also something I was wondering.



Ps. I honestly can’t even count the number of times I have had “vets” tell me they were in ‘Nam and then I did the math and they would have been like 15 in 1975. I find stolen valor so disgusting. Had one particular patient, 36 yo M claim he was special forces and couldn’t tell me because it was top secret. In looking back through his vast medical file he never could have qualified for military service because he was a medical train wreck by adulthood. He still played it up but couldn’t tell me why he didn’t have Tricare.
 
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Yah, that is also something I was wondering.



Ps. I honestly can’t even count the number of times I have had “vets” tell me they were in ‘Nam and then I did the math and they would have been like 15 in 1975. I find stolen valor so disgusting. Had one particular patient, 36 yo M claim he was special forces and couldn’t tell me because it was top secret. In looking back through his vast medical file he never could have qualified for military service because he was a medical train wreck by adulthood. He still played it up but couldn’t tell me why he didn’t have Tricare.

Worked for CIA
 
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"This is a 66 year old medically complex, morbidly obese, opiate tolerant woman who presents to clinic at request of her VA doctor for assessment for her chronic pain. She was tapered from 220 MME to zero over 6 months. The request from her referring provider is to support a no-narcotic pain treatment plan and offer alternatives. When I asked the patient about her pain complaint, she is unable to clearly define it. She states it changes from day to day and from time to time. States that she “wants pain medication back and to be left the hell alone”. When asked how she spends her day she states "mostly napping and reading Facebook." She has multiple pain complaints that started in 1968 service connected injuries. It’s always been the same or worse. She thinks it will never be better. She doesn't understand the rationale for tapering her medications or what she needs to do to get them back. She's says she angry, feels betrayed by her country and government, and believes larger sociological forces are interfering with her liberty and personal health care decisions... "

Well...what's your next move?
"Mrs _____seems like a very nice lady. I don't doubt that she is in significant pain. The question is how to safely and most effectively treat it. She is not currently on chronic daily opiates. I don't recommend she start. I agree with the referring PCP about maximizing non-opiate treatment options for the safest clinical course. These options are as follows___________________. If the patient disagrees with this plan, and feels I encourage and recommend a second Pain MD opinion."

You're not refusing to treat the pain or the patient. You're not abandoning the patient. You're not using pejoratives or labeling the patient. You offering multiple options for treating their pain. You're recommending against the one treatment with the most potential harm. I think documentation like this plays well in 2018 and moving forward.

I've gotten very good at writing this paragraph.
 
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add in phrases such as "a review of her medical records and clinical evaluation reveals that her DIRE score calculates to be 1 with an ORT of > 35, ie high risk for misuse"... "no clinical indication of a severe medical condition appropriate for chronic opioid therapy that can be objectively verified with imaging studies such as PET scans or SPECT scans"... "alternatives include improved functioning through an home exercise program and active exercise program at a local gym"... "mainstay of treatment for this patient will be with cognitive behavioral therapy, these were discussed at length with the patient and a referral was to be generated"...


then close with "it was at this point that the patient started swearing vociferously, calling me several 4 letter names that are not appropriate for medical charting, including "f#$k you" and "you piece of s@#t". security was called and the patient was escorted off premises after she attempted to throw her urinal at the nurse. she fortunately was not physically able to reach over her wheelchair to fully grasp it and was only successful in spilling the urine on her slippers"





those are from my evals today.....
 
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"Mrs _____seems like a very nice lady. I don't doubt that she is in significant pain. The question is how to safely and most effectively treat it. She is not currently on chronic daily opiates. I don't recommend she start. I agree with the referring PCP about maximizing non-opiate treatment options for the safest clinical course. These options are as follows___________________. If the patient disagrees with this plan, and feels I encourage and recommend a second Pain MD opinion."

You're not refusing to treat the pain or the patient. You're not abandoning the patient. You're not using pejoratives or labeling the patient. You offering multiple options for treating their pain. You're recommending against the one treatment with the most potential harm. I think documentation like this plays well in 2018 and moving forward.

I've gotten very good at writing this paragraph.

But should you really add the sentence “I don’t doubt she is in SIGNIFICANT pain”?

When you know very well that her physical pain is far less than her psychological issues?
 
How is she opioid tolerant if she was weaned?

Is this the fibro?

Is she CHOICEd out? Does that reimburse well enough to make it worth the talk-therapy effort this will take to reframe her beliefs?

I agree with offering support to the frontline folks, but these are difficult cases and we don't get paid to struggle.
 
How is she opioid tolerant if she was weaned?

Is this the fibro?

Is she CHOICEd out? Does that reimburse well enough to make it worth the talk-therapy effort this will take to reframe her beliefs?

I agree with offering support to the frontline folks, but these are difficult cases and we don't get paid to struggle.

She'd been on opioids for decades...

CHOICEd out...

She was offered individualized pain education sessions, a complementary CBT work-book authored by my wife, and interactive guided imagery sessions to focus on autonomic "quieting" and mindfulness.

She left without scheduling a follow-up.
 
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But should you really add the sentence “I don’t doubt she is in SIGNIFICANT pain”?

When you know very well that her physical pain is far less than her psychological issues?
What you're talking about there is separating out what portion of the patient's pain is "physical" pain, versus "psychological" pain. I suppose you could make a point to break it down that way, but doing so wouldn't change the ultimate point of the statement which is that whatever amount or type of pain the patient has, you don't think resuming opiates is going to benefit them, long term. The other point of the statement is to make it clear, when ultimately a portion of such patients will try to (falsely) claim, "He threw me out, treated me like a drug addict and refused to treat the pain!" to either a lawyer or medical board, that you absolutely did not do that, and that not only you did offer and recommend to them various treatments, but treatment on a much higher level which is in line with the current changing thinking to treat non-cancer pain with non-opiate options. I think any reasonable person would look at that and conclude, "It appears from this that Dr _____ was trying to help the patient, trying to avoid high dose opiates during an opiate death epidemic and did offer to help them, and there's no evidence in this chart that he got angry with the patient, labeled them or refused to treat them."
 
She'd been on opioids for decades...

CHOICEd out...

She was offered individualized pain education sessions, a complementary CBT work-book authored by my wife, and interactive guided imagery sessions to focus on autonomic "quieting" and mindfulness.

She left without scheduling a follow-up.
Okay. Patient's choice. Off she goes to get a second opinion. Move along. Nothing to see here.
 
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What you're talking about there is separating out what portion of the patient's pain is "physical" pain, versus "psychological" pain. I suppose you could make a point to break it down that way, but doing so wouldn't change the ultimate point of the statement which is that whatever amount or type of pain the patient has, you don't think resuming opiates is going to benefit them, long term. The other point of the statement is to make it clear, when ultimately a portion of such patients will try to (falsely) claim, "He threw me out, treated me like a drug addict and refused to treat the pain!" to either a lawyer or medical board, that you absolutely did not do that, and that not only you did offer and recommend to them various treatments, but treatment on a much higher level which is in line with the current changing thinking to treat non-cancer pain with non-opiate options. I think any reasonable person would look at that and conclude, "It appears from this that Dr _____ was trying to help the patient, trying to avoid high dose opiates during an opiate death epidemic and did offer to help them, and there's no evidence in this chart that he got angry with the patient, labeled them or refused to treat them."

My point was the one in all caps. I understand you want to protect yourself legally but you can just say “I don’t doubt the patient is in pain” , instead of “SIGNIFICANT pain”.........like a cancer patient, or other patient truly worthy of significant sympathy.
 
My point was the one in all caps. I understand you want to protect yourself legally but you can just say “I don’t doubt the patient is in pain” , instead of “SIGNIFICANT pain”.........like a cancer patient, or other patient truly worthy of significant sympathy.
Sure, fine. The word "significant" doesn't make it or break it for me. I just think that by documenting that you acknowledge the patient is in some amount of pain, enough to merit treatment in some form, you dodge the whole accusation that you blew them off and accused them of faking. A lot of times when patients don't get the narcs they want, they try to then claim that we accused them of being drug addicts faking their pain. I think when you fall into that trap of allowing your chart to show that, or show contempt in the form of pejorative terms, then you open yourself up to the possibility that someone on a jury or medical board might try to hit you for treatment refusal or abandonment.

It's not a big deal. It's just how I view it when I'm not prescribing opiates in someone who clearly wants them. I don't want the chart to be consistent with the "He blew me off like I was crazy, a drug addict or making the whole thing up and cruelly refused to treat me!" Then, inevitably, out comes the piles of records from some guy they saw after your showed lots of sympathy, who piled on gobs of opiates, made all kinds of diagnoses and has a chart weeping with hand holding.

I don't care too much about the wording. I just want my chart to show I took the patient seriously, acknowledged they have a real issue (whatever it may be, whether it's fibromyalgia, a disc crushing a nerve or other) and offered to treat it, in some form. I think that's more defensible, in the face of a false accusation of abandonment or denying treatment to someone, than a chart that seems to drip of contempt for the patient or buzzwords hinting that they're malingering, faking their symptoms or manipulating, even if they might be. Because the problem is that malingerers and fakers get sick too.

I worked a lot of years in ED. And it seemed every time some doc put down in the chart that a patient was faking something, the patient either died or came back then next day in critical condition. We had one patient come in and the doc diagnosed him with pseudoseizures. And the guy absolutely did have an extensive documented history of faking seizures. He came in one day by EMS with a "pseudoseizure" and after work up, refused to leave. The doc had security remove the patient. The patient wasn't responding, so the doc told security the patient was faking and to take the patient in a wheelchair just past hospital property and let him go. So security did so, and dumped him off the wheelchair at the edge of hospital property and a passing car stopped and saw the guy laying down and called 911. He comes back in and was in status epilepticus. This guy that faked seizures decided to have a real one that day, and a real bad one. He ended up in the ICU and it became front page news, "Hospital dumps critically ill patient on side of the road." Moral of the story: Any time you put in a chart, explicitly or implicitly, that a patient is faking, your position is indefensible if that faker decides to get sick at any point in the near future. But if your charts always show you took the patient seriously and the opposite happens, that they turn out to be faking and manipulating, then so be it. No one dies or gets sued. (This applies to most cases, but not decisions as to whether or not to give patients opiates. Do not use this line of thinking as a reason to give people opiates, because trusting a faker and malingerer in that setting has real life negative consequences. But it does help you decide on your non-opiate diagnostic and treatment approach.)

Wear the white hat. It makes your decisions easier to defend and support.
 
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Sure, fine. The word "significant" doesn't make it or break it for me. I just think that by documenting that you acknowledge the patient is in some amount of pain, enough to merit treatment in some form, you dodge the whole accusation that you blew them off and accused them of faking. A lot of times when patients don't get the narcs they want, they try to then claim that we accused them of being drug addicts faking their pain. I think when you fall into that trap of allowing your chart to show that, or show contempt in the form of pejorative terms, then you open yourself up to the possibility that someone on a jury or medical board might try to hit you for treatment refusal or abandonment.

It's not a big deal. It's just how I view it when I'm not prescribing opiates in someone who clearly wants them. I don't want the chart to be consistent with the "He blew me off like I was crazy, a drug addict or making the whole thing up and cruelly refused to treat me!" Then, inevitably, out comes the piles of records from some guy they saw after your showed lots of sympathy, who piled on gobs of opiates, made all kinds of diagnoses and has a chart weeping with hand holding.

I don't care too much about the wording. I just want my chart to show I took the patient seriously, acknowledged they have a real issue (whatever it may be, whether it's fibromyalgia, a disc crushing a nerve or other) and offered to treat it, in some form. I think that's more defensible, in the face of a false accusation of abandonment or denying treatment to someone, than a chart that seems to drip of contempt for the patient or buzzwords hinting that they're malingering, faking their symptoms or manipulating, even if they might be. Because the problem is that malingerers and fakers get sick too.

I worked a lot of years in ED. And it seemed every time some doc put down in the chart that a patient was faking something, the patient either died or came back then next day in critical condition. We had one patient come in and the doc diagnosed him with pseudoseizures. And the guy absolutely did have an extensive documented history of faking seizures. He came in one day by EMS with a "pseudoseizure" and after work up, refused to leave. The doc had security remove the patient. The patient wasn't responding, so the doc told security the patient was faking and to take the patient in a wheelchair just past hospital property and let him go. So security did so, and dumped him off the wheelchair at the edge of hospital property and a passing car stopped and saw the guy laying down and called 911. He comes back in and was in status epilepticus. This guy that faked seizures decided to have a real one that day, and a real bad one. He ended up in the ICU and it became front page news, "Hospital dumps critically ill patient on side of the road." Moral of the story: Any time you put in a chart, explicitly or implicitly, that a patient is faking, your position is indefensible if that faker decides to get sick at any point in the near future. But if your charts always show you took the patient seriously and the opposite happens, that they turn out to be faking and manipulating, then so be it. No one dies or gets sued. (This applies to most cases, but not decisions as to whether or not to give patients opiates. Do not use this line of thinking as a reason to give people opiates, because trusting a faker and malingerer in that setting has real life negative consequences. But it does help you decide on your non-opiate diagnostic and treatment approach.)

Wear the white hat. It makes your decisions easier to defend and support.

First rule of the pain clinic: Rule in organic disease. Psychogenic pain is a diagnosis of exclusion.

First rule of the Suboxone clinic: The patient is crazy and lying until proven otherwise.
 
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Why not treat everybody with respect? It doesn't cost any more.
 
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1. Invent time machine
2. Refuse this referral with extreme prejudice when it comes across your desk
3. PROFIT

Plot twist: patient already has time machine which needs repair so she can get back to 2001 and her opioids
 
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