Fat doctors less likely to help obese patients lose weight

[ppfizenm]

Sure they do.


See how easy that is without breaking it down?

They don't. There are a number of fallacies with your arguments where you either are setting up a new situation to argue from (for instance how you went from an argument about aborting a fetus that is killing the mother to just abortion), where your conclusions follow incorrect logic, or where you are stating opinion as fact.

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[iceman132]

They don't. There are a number of fallacies with your arguments where you either are setting up a new situation to argue from (for instance how you went from an argument about aborting a fetus that is killing the mother to just abortion), where your conclusions follow incorrect logic, or where you are stating opinion as fact.

Now we're getting more specific. Took you a while

A mother kills a fetus. How is that different from a mother killing her child. (child = fetus)

Stating opinion as fact? If I say that bestiality is evil than am I stating opinion as fact?

No, using the scientific method I have come to the conclusion that bestiality is evil. Therefore I will state it as fact until someone can disprove me.

 

[tantacles]

They don't. There are a number of fallacies with your arguments where you either are setting up a new situation to argue from (for instance how you went from an argument about aborting a fetus that is killing the mother to just abortion), where your conclusions follow incorrect logic, or where you are stating opinion as fact.

Eh, stop. Talk about this instead:

 

[iceman132]

Eh, stop. Talk about this instead:

That'll replace the whale in my nightmares.

 

[theseeker4]

Now we're getting more specific. Took you a while

A mother kills a fetus. How is that different from a mother killing her child. (child = fetus)

Stating opinion as fact? If I say that bestiality is evil than am I stating opinion as fact?

No, using the scientific method I have come to the conclusion that bestiality is evil. Therefore I will state it as fact until someone can disprove me.

What is the scientific definition of evil? How have you, personally, tested bestiality to determine it is evil?

 

[iceman132]

What is the scientific definition of evil? How have you, personally, tested bestiality to determine it is evil?

You know what. Take the afternoon and figure that one out for me.

Really? I mean REALLY?

 

[theseeker4]

You know what. Take the afternoon and figure that one out for me.

Really? I mean REALLY?

I am asking for science's definition according tt you, and how you came to that conclusion. I am looking for your reasoning. I am not condoning bestiality.

 

[iceman132]

I am asking for science's definition according tt you, and how you came to that conclusion. I am looking for your reasoning. I am not condoning bestiality.

In any argument there has to be a degree of common sense. If you can't figure out why bestiality is evil then I am not going to sit here and explain it to you. It's obvious you had little to no guidance if you can't figure that out growing up in this world.

 

[theseeker4]

In any argument there has to be a degree of common sense. If you can't figure out why bestiality is evil then I am not going to sit here and explain it to you. It's obvious you had little to no guidance growing up in this world.

If you can't recognize that "evil" isn't exactly a scientific term, and thus the point of my question, well......

 

[iceman132]

If you can't recognize that "evil" isn't exactly a scientific term, and thus the point of my question, well......

Science is from the Latin word knowledge.

If you don't have the "knowledge" to figure out what the word evil means then I can't go anywhere with you.

 

[ppfizenm]

Now we're getting more specific. Took you a while

A mother kills a fetus. How is that different from a mother killing her child. (child = fetus)

Stating opinion as fact? If I say that bestiality is evil than am I stating opinion as fact?

No, using the scientific method I have come to the conclusion that bestiality is evil. Therefore I will state it as fact until someone can disprove me.

You are using a straw man argument again which is a fallacy. The subject isn't mother's killing children flowing from mother's killing a fetus.

The argument made was about doctor preforming an abortion on a pregnant mother whose child (we will use your word) is killing her when the doctor is uncomfortable preforming abortions.

This set up the scope of the argument. Bringing in plain abortion with none of these circumstances is taking the argument out of context. That is why your argument is a fallacy. Going from my original argument -> abortion -> to mothers murdering children falls so far out of scope that it has no bearing what-so-ever on the original topic.

 

[ppfizenm]

Now we're getting more specific. Took you a while

A mother kills a fetus. How is that different from a mother killing her child. (child = fetus)

Stating opinion as fact? If I say that bestiality is evil than am I stating opinion as fact?

No, using the scientific method I have come to the conclusion that bestiality is evil. Therefore I will state it as fact until someone can disprove me.

And why is bestiality always your go to situation?

Are you one of rick santorums many spawn?

 

[iceman132]

You are using a straw man argument again which is a fallacy. The subject isn't mother's killing children flowing from mother's killing a fetus.

The argument made was about doctor preforming an abortion on a pregnant mother whose child (we will use your word) is killing her when the doctor is uncomfortable preforming abortions.

This set up the scope of the argument. Bringing in plain abortion with none of these circumstances is taking the argument out of context. That is why your argument is a fallacy. Going from my original argument -> abortion -> to mothers murdering children falls so far out of scope that it has no bearing what-so-ever on the original topic.

Killing a fetus = Killing a child.

It's not out of scope. It's just that your liberal mind set is so out of whack that you've come to justify the most heinous of evil.

From the original Hippo oath:
I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.

 

[iceman132]

And why is bestiality always your go to situation?

Are you one of rick santorums many spawn?

I do like Santorum. He's a good man.

 

[theseeker4]

Science is from the Latin word knowledge.

If you don't have the "knowledge" to figure out what the word evil means then I can't go anywhere with you.

You can appeal to common sense when discussing something being evil, and you are fine. If you make a claim, like you did above, that the "scientific method" led you to conclude something is evil, you can't rely on "common sense" to back it up. Either you used the scientific method (maybe you should look this up?) and therefore you can provide supporting evidence, or you didn't and therefore you can't.

The root of science may be the Latin word for knowledge, but the scientific method is a specific method, which you should know if you have any scientific background. I have no doubt you can't go anywhere with me, no matter how slowly I go to try to help you keep up.

 

[tantacles]

I do like Santorum. He's a good man.

He's the poop guy, right?

 

[iceman132]

You can appeal to common sense when discussing something being evil, and you are fine. If you make a claim, like you did above, that the "scientific method" led you to conclude something is evil, you can't rely on "common sense" to back it up. Either you used the scientific method (maybe you should look this up?) and therefore you can provide supporting evidence, or you didn't and therefore you can't.

The root of science may be the Latin word for knowledge, but the scientific method is a specific method, which you should know if you have any scientific background. I have no doubt you can't go anywhere with me, no matter how slowly I go to try to help you keep up.

I don't have to look for supporting evidence. If you don't think beastiality is evil then it's obvious you have absolutely no moral foundation at all. It's like talking to a 2 year old, junior.

 

[iceman132]

He's the poop guy, right?

Ehh, I'm not big into politics but what's the story?

 

[tantacles]

Ehh, I'm not big into politics but what's the story?

His name is synonymous with poop.

http://blog.spreadingsantorum.com/

 

[theseeker4]

I don't have to look for supporting evidence. If you don't think beastiality is evil then it's obvious you have absolutely no moral foundation at all. It's like talking to a 2 year old, junior.

You are either too obtuse to comprehend why you are making a fool of yourself, or you are trolling. Enjoy.

 

[iceman132]

You are either too obtuse to comprehend why you are making a fool of yourself, or you are trolling. Enjoy.

Alright.

 

[iceman132]

His name is synonymous with poop.

http://blog.spreadingsantorum.com/

Uh, I don't know the rules of this board but that site is really raunchy and disgusting. I would just be a bit worried that teenagers might come here and find it.

 

[tantacles]

Uh, I don't know the rules of this board but that site is really raunchy and disgusting. I would just be a bit worried that teenagers might come here and find it.

Huh? It's a political blog and defines the word santorum.

 

[tiedyeddog]

Ok, last post, I promise.

Iceman has decided what evil is, and only he knows how to correctly define it. I wish we could all live in such a black and white world, but alas, only a few of us are so enriched with knowledge and intelligence that they hold the true keys to what is right and wrong in this world.

You should be a politician. They always assume, or act like, there is one true goodness. There's nothing innately "evil" about bestiality, unless you're strictly using a biblical term. It should be looked down upon for health reasons, like spread of ID.

Edit: what about porn? Is porn evil?

 

[iceman132]

Huh? It's a political blog and defines the word santorum.

Meh IDK, the first word I saw was a reference to semen.

 

[tantacles]

Meh IDK, the first word I saw was a reference to semen.

Well, that's part of the definition of the word santorum.

 

[iceman132]

Ok, last post, I promise.

Iceman has decided what evil is, and only he knows how to correctly define it. I wish we could all live in such a black and white world, but alas, only a few of us are so enriched with knowledge and intelligence that they hold the true keys to what is right and wrong in this world.

You should be a politician. They always assume, or act like, there is one true goodness. There's nothing innately "evil" about bestiality, unless you're strictly using a biblical term. It should be looked down upon for health reasons, like spread of ID.

Nothing innately evil? You really believe that?

I hope this never happens to you. But just imagine you have a child and they are getting it on with your pet rabbit.

That doesn't seem innately evil to you?

 

[iceman132]

Well, that's part of the definition of the word santorum.

You're missing the point. It really shouldn't be seen by children and this is a family friendly board (seemingly)

 

[tantacles]

You're missing the point. It really shouldn't be seen by children and this is a family friendly board (seemingly)

What makes it not family friendly? And what makes this board family friendly?

 

[iceman132]

What makes it not family friendly?

Some of the references on there. But I'm not a mod so it's not really my job. I've done my part in informing.

 

[tantacles]

Some of the references on there. But I'm not a mod so it's not really my job. I've done my part in informing.

What references?

 

[tiedyeddog]

Nothing innately evil? You really believe that?

I hope this never happens to you. But just imagine you have a child and they are getting it on with your pet rabbit.

That doesn't seem innately evil to you?

Do you eat meat? Is slaughtering a rabbit for food evil?

 

[iceman132]

What references?

Eh, if you can't see it then that's on you bro.

 

[iceman132]

Do you eat meat? Is slaughtering a rabbit for food evil?

No, it's an animal.

 

[tiedyeddog]

No, it's an animal.

Having sex with it is fine, it's an animal. So are humans.

 

[iceman132]

Having sex with it is fine, it's an animal. So are humans.

Alright, if that's what you really think go for it. Sounds like a sad existence though.

 

[tantacles]

Eh, if you can't see it then that's on you bro.

Yeah, I can't see it. If you told me what was up and made your case, I might remove it, but since I have no idea what you're referring to, I'll leave the site up for now.

 

[ppfizenm]

Killing a fetus = Killing a child.

It's not out of scope. It's just that your liberal mind set is so out of whack that you've come to justify the most heinous of evil.

From the original Hippo oath:
I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.

One last time before I tire of hitting my head against the stupidest brick wall I have ever come across. The situation, and the only situation which the argument sets up, is a doctor aborting a fetus THAT IS KILLING THE MOTHER. Any other arguments you bring in not on this topic specifically are pointless because that is not what we were discussing. We are not talking abort regular abortion or child murder. We are talking about a very specific subset of abortion that is necessary to save the life of the mother. If you want to comment on this feel free. Killing a fetus = killing a child has nothing to do with the topic I have been stressing.

Replying with anything else at this point, after more than one person has explained your fallacy, has to be impossible but if anyone can prove me wrong I am sure it is you.

 

[iceman132]

One last time before I tire of hitting my head against the stupidest brick wall I have ever come across. The situation, and the only situation which the argument sets up, is a doctor aborting a fetus THAT IS KILLING THE MOTHER. Any other arguments you bring in not on this topic specifically are pointless because that is not what we were discussing. We are not talking abort regular abortion or child murder. We are talking about a very specific subset of abortion that is necessary to save the life of the mother. If you want to comment on this feel free. Killing a fetus = killing a child has nothing to do with the topic I have been stressing.

Replying with anything else at this point, after more than one person has explained your fallacy, has to be impossible but if anyone can prove me wrong I am sure it is you.

So if there is a choice between either killing YOU or killing your MOM.... YOU should take the bullet? How is that better than killing the mother. The doctor should definitely have the choice not to kill the child.

 

[tantacles]

So if there is a choice between either killing YOU or killing your MOM.... YOU should take the bullet? How is that better than killing the mother. The doctor should definitely have the choice not to kill the child.

Oh? So the doctor should be able to choose?

 

[iceman132]

Oh? So the doctor should be able to choose?

Yes, he chooses the third option. To not be involved whatsoever.

 

[ppfizenm]

So if there is a choice between either killing YOU or killing your MOM.... YOU should take the bullet? How is that better than killing the mother. The doctor should definitely have the choice not to kill the child.

In situations like this it is generally to early for the fetus to be viable so it is a choice between both dying or just the fetus. (for example, an ectopic prenancy)

 

[tantacles]

Yes, he chooses the third option. To not be involved whatsoever.

But he is involved. He's seeing a patient who wants an abortion, and he has to say yes or no.

 

[iceman132]

But he is involved. He's seeing a patient who wants an abortion, and he has to say yes or no.

And by saying no he is absolving himself of the responsibility.

 

[ppfizenm]

And by saying no he is absolving himself of the responsibility.

Well the logical fallacy here was that you said there were three options and now you are saying in fact there are two.

 

[iceman132]

Well the logical fallacy here was that you said there were three options and now you are saying in fact there are two.

Really? You're attacking my numbering?

 

[ppfizenm]

Really? You're attacking my numbering?

I am pointing out your tendency to redefine the parameters of an argument to suit your own ends. This is not how arguments work and is considered a fallacy.

 

[iceman132]

I am pointing out your tendency to redefine the parameters of an argument to suit your own ends. This is not how arguments work and is considered a fallacy.

So the answer is yes.

Come on now. Let's use logic, common sense, and reality.

 

[theseeker4]

So the answer is yes.

Come on now. Let's use logic, common sense, and reality.

The irony! It burns!

 

[iceman132]

The irony! It burns!

Great argument, junior.