Having to complete anti-kickback training because your CMG committed fraud is the most debasing thing in medicine

[John Rawls]

That's all

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[DocEspana]

it was a part of their settlement. I love how their response to their failure is that everyone needs to take training classes forever. I guess the argument is more of us should have been whistle blowers

 

[MechEDoc]

That's all

You're taking a job with Sound I presume?

 

[GassYous]

Come on no one actually watches those stupid videos

 

[RustedFox]

Someone wanna explain?

 

[southerndoc]

Agree with @RustedFox here. Someone want to explain? Which CMG committed CMS fraud?

 

[Birdstrike]

What were the kickbacks they were getting?

 

[dozitgetchahi]

When I was a resident at the VA, we all had to start doing extra MRI safety modules because the idiot techs let a patient into the MRI suite with a gun in his pants…the gun was ripped out of his pants and fired in mid air, sending a bullet zinging around the MRI suite….

For each year after that, I had to do like 3 “MRI safety modules” even though I’ve never been in an MRI suite in my entire life…

Gun discharges in MRI at Indianapolis Veterans Affairs hospital

A veteran was wounded Wednesday at Richard L. Roudebush Veterans Affairs Medical Center when a handgun he brought into the Indianapolis hospital accidentally discharged in his pocket while he was in a procedure room — possibly an MRI suite.

www.indystar.com

 

[ScepticSkeksis]

Envision made us do kickback training as well. Though we know they are a massively fraudulent company so I'm not surprised.

 

[ShockIndex]

Agree with @RustedFox here. Someone want to explain? Which CMG committed CMS fraud?

The most recent one of any notable scale that I recall was EmCare before it was a subsidiary of Envision (the conduct occurred around 2010). However, that settlement was adjudicated 5 years ago. It makes sense that Envision would still require the training since I believe they were ultimately left holding the bag.

EmCare, Inc. to Pay $29.8 Million To Resolve False Claims Act Allegations

www.justice.gov

 

[MechEDoc]

Agree with @RustedFox here. Someone want to explain? Which CMG committed CMS fraud?

Sound was busted a few years ago (Tacoma, Wash., Medical Firm to Pay $14.5 Million to Settle Overbilling Allegations) and they required anti-kickback training as part of onboarding that I did a few years ago. I did all the onboarding but never worked for them.

 

[dchristismi]

Back in the "old days" in these parts, we'd do one of these...
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ and play Hangman. Who remembers that? heh. (I've edited it THREE times and there's supposed to be a space there!)

 

[RustedFox]

R - S - T - L - N - E !

Wait, that's Wheel of Fortune.

"Is there a 'F'?"

 

[dchristismi]

I was hoping the name of the group would be unveiled that way, but for those not in on the joke, Foxy and I refer to:
F_ _ _ _ _ _ F _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

 

[docB]

I agree with everything said here. EmCare/Envision just got done with the mandated punishment training last year. Sound is still doing it. Strangely none of the training focused on throwing out management or rooting out high level corruption. It was all about how individual docs shouldn't accept a Starbucks card from a colleague. Because that's how this all went down right? Some ER doc in Topeka got taken to Sizzler by a radiologist and the OIG burst out like Elliott Ness. GOTCHA! It definitely wasn't upper management shenanigans at all.
But the CMGs aren't the only corrupt entities in EM. Not when United just had to pay Envision $91m for lowballing all their payments. It's a great freaking industry.

 

[Janders]

Back in the "old days" in these parts, we'd do one of these...
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ and play Hangman. Who remembers that? heh. (I've edited it THREE times and there's supposed to be a space there!)

Um In-and-out-Burger doesn’t fit, is there there is a new CMG named after Girthy Mcgirthaloons

 

[RustedFox]

I was hoping the name of the group would be unveiled that way, but for those not in on the joke, Foxy and I refer to:
F_ _ _ _ _ _ F _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

I remember when I had to have the joke explained to me.
Pretty sure it was @Apollyon who was cool and said: "okay, kid - listen"

 

[dchristismi]

Well, we've always had a bit of a middle-school sense of humor in these parts, Mr Jenny-McJennerson...
or, would that be Doctor Mr Jenny McJennerson? (F_ TT_ McF_TT_ _ _ _ T _)

 

[DocEspana]

Could be worse. Could have a malignant director who was pocketing money, targeting employees, and openly stating appropriate staffing for known surge events was "a little racist if you think about it" because the event was a hip-hop concert and not some stereotypically white thing; so you ask for anyone to step in and discipline them.

And the solution to all of that is mandated "teamwork CME".

 

[CajunMedic]

Envision made us do kickback training as well. Though we know they are a massively fraudulent company so I'm not surprised.

Before I went to medical school, I worked for American Medical Response ambulance...owned by Envision. Had to do medicare fraud/anti-kickback training. Fast-forward 8 years through medical school and residency, now working at an Envision shop PRN, still doing the anti-kickback training. Even got to keep my old employee number

 

[ScepticSkeksis]

Before I went to medical school, I worked for American Medical Response ambulance...owned by Envision. Had to do medicare fraud/anti-kickback training. Fast-forward 8 years through medical school and residency, now working at an Envision shop PRN, still doing the anti-kickback training. Even got to keep my old employee number

They only add new courses. They never take courses away.

 

[TooMuchResearch]

Well, we've always had a bit of a middle-school sense of humor in these parts, Mr Jenny-McJennerson...
or, would that be Doctor Mr Jenny McJennerson? (F_ TT_ McF_TT_ _ _ _ T _)

Oh wow it's been so long I didn't recall the joke until now

 

[ERMudPhud]

I agree with everything said here. EmCare/Envision just got done with the mandated punishment training last year. Sound is still doing it. Strangely none of the training focused on throwing out management or rooting out high level corruption. It was all about how individual docs shouldn't accept a Starbucks card from a colleague. Because that's how this all went down right? Some ER doc in Topeka got taken to Sizzler by a radiologist and the OIG burst out like Elliott Ness. GOTCHA! It definitely wasn't upper management shenanigans at all.
But the CMGs aren't the only corrupt entities in EM. Not when United just had to pay Envision $91m for lowballing all their payments. It's a great freaking industry.

Wow, docB back for a visit too. All we need is for QuinNSU(aka DrQuinn) to reappear and it will be like a reunion at the SDN nursing home

 

[ScepticSkeksis]

I agree with everything said here. EmCare/Envision just got done with the mandated punishment training last year. Sound is still doing it. Strangely none of the training focused on throwing out management or rooting out high level corruption. It was all about how individual docs shouldn't accept a Starbucks card from a colleague. Because that's how this all went down right? Some ER doc in Topeka got taken to Sizzler by a radiologist and the OIG burst out like Elliott Ness. GOTCHA! It definitely wasn't upper management shenanigans at all.
But the CMGs aren't the only corrupt entities in EM. Not when United just had to pay Envision $91m for lowballing all their payments. It's a great freaking industry.

How about when your radiology group has a monopoly, and is performing terribly (5-7 hours for a read) and the hospital admin says "Don't call the radiology help line to demand reads more quickly!". Definitely no kickbacks or shenanigans there.

 

[RustedFox]

I agree with everything said here. EmCare/Envision just got done with the mandated punishment training last year. Sound is still doing it. Strangely none of the training focused on throwing out management or rooting out high level corruption. It was all about how individual docs shouldn't accept a Starbucks card from a colleague. Because that's how this all went down right? Some ER doc in Topeka got taken to Sizzler by a radiologist and the OIG burst out like Elliott Ness. GOTCHA! It definitely wasn't upper management shenanigans at all.
But the CMGs aren't the only corrupt entities in EM. Not when United just had to pay Envision $91m for lowballing all their payments. It's a great freaking industry.

I really, really wish I had thought of this.