How will Obama's health care reform plans affect dentists?

[teeth63a]

a lot of dentists grew up w/ money though.....you know....the kind of guys who were born on 3rd and act like they hit a triple.

THis is EXACTLY the kind of class envy/class warfare mentality that John Edwards tired to run on unsuccessully.

I would venture to guess that the youngest generation of dentists come from largely middle class homes.

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[teeth63a]

you're right! i'm in school and i'm livin off loans....livin the american dream! but at least i know what a hard days work is all about. i served my 4 in the Marine Corps infantry, what have you done for the country? besides smarmy internet posts?

Questioning someone's patriotism based on your own personal service?

Now this is a true sign of a conservative if I ever saw one. lol


THERE'S HOPE FOR YOU YET!


THe one telling sign of this conversation is the fact that the only proponents for Obama's changes are pre-dents and dental students, whereas the dentists (who have the real world experience of paying taxes, dealing with payroll and other overhead) are taking the opposing view.

Edit: Thankfully the glimmer of hope is that many predents and students here see that side.

 

[OceanDMD]

hahaha perhaps there is still time to follow your dreams?

not communist/ socialist? a lot of our country's programs are socialist in nature (see social security) and china, a communist entity, apparently owns a good part of our country. stop having communist/socialist thoughts? how incredibly.......fascist.......hmmmm.

Social Security cannot be funded and is on its way to failure....hmmmm...another crappy socialist idea.

And as far as China is concerned, the big problem now is Obama's view of a bottomless wallet. Spend spend spend and make up numbers to pay for it. Look at his presciption medication idea. Apparently the pharmaceutical companies (from what OBAMA SAYS) will pay for 80 billion of the cost. However, the pharmaceutical companies are only accounting for 30 BILLION. SO, another mysterious OBAMA magic accounting statement. You and your kids and your grandkids will be buried by what this government is doing. Wake-up, the younger generation, students, new grads need to see through all the BS this president is slamming us with. We would all be better the smaller the government.

 

[Oracle DMD]

Questioning someone's patriotism based on your own personal service?

Now this is a true sign of a conservative if I ever saw one. lol


THERE'S HOPE FOR YOU YET!


THe one telling sign of this conversation is the fact that the only proponents for Obama's changes are pre-dents and dental students, whereas the dentists (who have the real world experience of paying taxes, dealing with payroll and other overhead) are taking the opposing view.

lets hope the aquisition of good income doesn't change peoples mind on the rights and wrongs of the world 'eh? well, i can hope anyways.

 

[teeth63a]

Pursued is one thing, but demanding a bill passed by the end of the year that will make the biggest change in our lives arguably in a 100 years is CRAZY. This president is trying to jam everything down our throats without any true thought and debate as quiclky as possible. Just like that ******ed stimulus package that we needed soooooooo quickly or the country was falling off a cliff. Have you looked to see how much money from the package has actually been spent?

This president is a crooked conceited arrogant politician. His policies are purely based on maneuvering for another term. Look at his idea of taxing health insurance benefits employees recieve (another frickin tax), guess who would be exempt from this tax? UNION WORKERS. Why do you think union workers would be exempt. Why dont you think about that.


I love how you try to generalize all dentists and physicians as coming from money, living a childhood of riches. It makes me sick that a person can bust his ass through the schooling required to get a dmd, md, or dds, taking out loans for school, loans for a practice, paying the insurances required to practice, and then being required to pay EVEN HIGHER FRICKIN TAKES BECAUSE OF OUR INCOME WHICH ALREADY HAS LITTLE IF ANY DISCRETIONARY LEFT. You have got to be crazy where your thoughts about quit whining is coming from. Ignorant. Sometimes I wonder what life would be like with a career of a garbage collector, no student loan payment, no disability, malpractice, practice loan, the stress of picking up garbage rather that digging for a root tip. The bottom line is people work harder in life, and DESERVE TO BE COMPENSATED FOR IT. IT IS NOT FAIR TO BE KILLED WITH TAXES BECAUSE YOU WORK HARDER. There are classes in this country, not everyone can afford great healthcare, just like not everyone can afford to go to Ruth's Chris for dinner. This is not a communist/socialist country, and you need to get your head out of your arse with those thoughts.

Ocean, stop beating around the bush and tell us how you *really* feel.

Well said.

 

[teeth63a]

lets hope the aquisition of good income doesn't change peoples mind on the rights and wrongs of the world 'eh? well, i can hope anyways.

Absolute agreement.

Here's where we disagree.
Its up to the individual to volunteer at the soup kitchen, do pro bono dentistry, donate to charity, etc for the betterment of mankind. Or charities, or other Non Government Organizations to do that work. I don't want the government to reach into my wallet or my business' bank account to accomplish that goal, because I don't think its the government's job to have such broad (universal) welfare programs.

If by some miracle, congress does away with more useless earmarks (ie Ted Steven's bridge to nowhere, fudning of radical groups like ACORN) I will be more than happy to pay a LITTLE more for SOME social and welfare programs. But because the budget is so bloated with pork barrrel crap, and since the president wants to make socialism the new American norm, I'm holding on to my wallet as tightly as possible.

Ultimately, I DO NOT trust current politicians in office with my money.

Like jmick said, that one recent study shows that people who call themselves "conservatives" are more likely to donate to charity than those calling themselves "liberals". THe one conclusion that arose was that liberals expect government to aid the needy, not individuals or NGOs themselves.

 

[jmick101]

hahaha hooah! Aint Ready to be a Marine Yet

at the very least, all children should have access to healthcare. they can't work for it and pay for insurance and when they get sick it drags down entire working families. and local programs can't do the job because they never have the funding and there's a whole lot of small town america that don't have access to the city programs.

I agree with most all of this (except for the first part). Kids whose parents absolutely cannot afford coverage should be helped. Thats medicare.

Here is the question: for those who CAN afford health insurance, but prefer to spend their income on other more important things, why should I bankroll the parents stupidity/lack of foresight? If we take over for what the parents can and should be doing how is that good? It sucks to see children suffer because of parental mistakes, but it is the parents fault, NOT MINE and NOT the governments.

Again, if we step in and assume the role that should belong to parents, we are going to reap the whirlwind down the road. Once we go there, where will government take over of our lives end? There just has to come to a point where we say "enough! Step back out of my life, and let me live how I see fit."

Some are not prepared for the consequences of such attitudes and would prefer that the state mandated and dictated every problem away. That is statism and is the high road to tyranny and we are getting there. The present debate over health care is only the latest reminder of where we are headed as a country. The road to hell is paved with good intentions they say, and there are plenty of good intentions being used to justify our transition from freedom to socialism.

When that happens I doubt that America's chief export, that being hope of living a life where one can expect to enjoy the fruits of ones labor, go to whatever church, synagogue, mosque, or no church at all, all that will just... pitter out. No more Tieneman Squares or protests in Tehran. America will be just like all those other listless, lifeless, European countries with their declining birthrates and increasing taxes.

Well I say, No Thanks. I will live with the good and the bad. I can handle giving people the freedom to live stupidly if they so choose, even if peoples stupid choices inevitably affect their own kids. Thats tough, but that is life in a free country.

 

[OceanDMD]

lets hope the aquisition of good income doesn't change peoples mind on the rights and wrongs of the world 'eh? well, i can hope anyways.

Mr. self righteous? Yes, income has completely ruined me. I make more money now than I expected, I pay more for my kids, insurances, loans, and healthcare than I expected. And I also donate more time to social services than I ever expected. I do free dentistry all of the time based on my judgement of character of someone who really is in a rut, AND IM AM SICK AND F___ING TIRED OF BEING TOLD THAT I NEED TO PAY HIGHER TAXES JUST BECAUSE. Like someone said before, let the individual person help with the "wrongs of the world" and let the governent stay the hell out of my business. They already take almost over 40%.

 

[Cold Front]

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[DrJeff]

Mr. self righteous? Yes, income has completely ruined me. I make more money now than I expected, I pay more for my kids, insurances, loans, and healthcare than I expected. And I also donate more time to social services than I ever expected. I do free dentistry all of the time based on my judgement of character of someone who really is in a rut, AND IM AM SICK AND F___ING TIRED OF BEING TOLD THAT I NEED TO PAY HIGHER TAXES JUST BECAUSE. Like someone said before, let the individual person help with the "wrongs of the world" and let the governent stay the hell out of my business. They already take almost over 40%.

Post of the year in my book! Absolutely agree 110% with everything Ocean said!

 

[FatKid]

Dentists should be forced to accept government Medicare and Medicaid and should take pay cuts just like doctors are being forced to.

 

[DrJeff]

Dentists should be forced to accept government Medicare and Medicaid and should take pay cuts just like doctors are being forced to.

Care to elaborate why?? And no the line "well because we do you should to" won't suffice as an answer

 

[FormerCorpsman]

Dentists should be forced to accept government Medicare and Medicaid and should take pay cuts just like doctors are being forced to.

Why should any one be forced to accept government Medicare? The word forced in my mind equals Communism. Last time I checked this is a country founded on the economic principles described by Adam Smith in "Wealth of Nation." He did not write about a Welfare Nation. I wonder why everyone cowers before Obama. I look at the country I love and see fear within the people. I never thought I would see the day when the people fear the government in America. Thomas Jefferson stated, "When the government fears the people, its liberty. When the people fear the government, its tyranny."

No one should be forced to do anything. I will not give up my inalienable rights just to have cheaper health care. Doctor's could totally squash Obama's plan if they would just fight back. Right now, I am in the Middle East learning Arabic and it is funny to me that the Arabs can see right through Obama and my fellow countrymen can not even discern his deception. They look at him and see another President squabbling for power.

 

[OceanDMD]

Why should any one be forced to accept government Medicare? The word forced in my mind equals Communism. Last time I checked this is a country founded on the economic principles described by Adam Smith in "Wealth of Nation." He did not write about a Welfare Nation. I wonder why everyone cowers before Obama. I look at the country I love and see fear within the people. I never thought I would see the day when the people fear the government in America. Thomas Jefferson stated, "When the government fears the people, its liberty. When the people fear the government, its tyranny."

No one should be forced to do anything. I will not give up my inalienable rights just to have cheaper health care. Doctor's could totally squash Obama's plan if they would just fight back. Right now, I am in the Middle East learning Arabic and it is funny to me that the Arabs can see right through Obama and my fellow countrymen can not even discern his deception. They look at him and see another President squabbling for power.

Have you noticed during interviews, whenever anyone stands up to him or pushes his buttons how defensive and angry he gets? How he will completely sidestep any of the tough questions? This man is a bully, and the press is a bunch of arse kissing *******. Sorry about the language, but it really does make me want to puke how weak and jaded the media is.

Did anyone see O'Reilly interview Barney Frank about healthcare? They have NOOOOOOOO idea how to come up with 100 billion a year. This country, if this man is not stopped and these itiot left wing congressmen and women not challenged, WILL be Bankrupt. Then we will see what happens to healthcare, education, infrastructure, and industry. YOU CANT SAVE AND HELP EVERYONE. SOME PEOPLE DONT WANT TO BE HELPED, OR DONT APPRECIATE THE HELP.

 

[FormerCorpsman]

you're right! i'm in school and i'm livin off loans....livin the american dream! but at least i know what a hard days work is all about. i served my 4 in the Marine Corps infantry, what have you done for the country? besides smarmy internet posts?

How dare you throw your military service in the face of those who did not serve. Do you think that you are better than they are? You disgrace the Corps with your arrogance. I met men like you, while I served with the Marines. You guys are a dime a dozen.

 

[FormerCorpsman]

Have you noticed during interviews, whenever anyone stands up to him or pushes his buttons how defensive and angry he gets? How he will completely sidestep any of the tough questions? This man is a bully, and the press is a bunch of arse kissing *******. Sorry about the language, but it really does make me want to puke how weak and jaded the media is.

Did anyone see O'Reilly interview Barney Frank about healthcare? They have NOOOOOOOO idea how to come up with 100 billion a year. This country, if this man is not stopped and these itiot left wing congressmen and women not challenged, WILL be Bankrupt. Then we will see what happens to healthcare, education, infrastructure, and industry. YOU CANT SAVE AND HELP EVERYONE. SOME PEOPLE DONT WANT TO BE HELPED, OR DONT APPRECIATE THE HELP.

I agree with you that many do not want help, but rather they are envious of their neighbor and wish to make them miserable like unto themselves. They only wish to dig a pit for their neighbors.

Obama's spur of the moment emergency is deception that has been used in the history of the world for centuries. What did Hitler do when he came to power. He focused his people's attention on a lie, then he took their weapons from them and began a conquest of world domination. I also think of Mao Ze Dong as well. He felt it necessary that everyone should quit their jobs and melt metal down to save the countries economy. In the end 30 million Chinese starved to death in the largest genocide in world history. But the communists do not want you to know about that.

I also like how the Iranian people want freedom in Iran, but yet Obama said that the Ayatollah made the correct judgement. Some judgement, he is gunning his people down in the street because they decide to speak out.

 

[DMDreaming]

Dentists should be forced to accept government Medicare and Medicaid and should take pay cuts just like doctors are being forced to.

You should do your homework. Medicare, at least in my state, pays NOTHING toward dental care. It is strictly for medical coverage. And, most dentist's would gladly accept Medicaid patients IF the reimbursement rate would even cover expenses. Right now, the rate (again in my state) is approximately 40-45% of UCR and the average office overhead runs 55-70%.

It would potentially exacerbate the access to care issue if dentists were forced to accept Medicaid at current levels because some dentists wouldn't be able to stay financially stable; thus, less dentists. This would be especially true for new dentists who are also juggling student loan debt. Some out of state students at my school have estimated they will have about $350K student loan debt when they finish. Try paying those kinds of loans and overhead on 45% of UCR. Doesn't work.

 

[Oracle DMD]

How dare you throw your military service in the face of those who did not serve. Do you think that you are better than they are? You disgrace the Corps with your arrogance. I met men like you, while I served with the Marines. You guys are a dime a dozen.

get over yourself. what is it sailor? the blue side give you a bit of a complex? i was defending myself against the charge that i don't know hard work, with facts. fact #1 if you've ever been a Marine, you know a hard days work. fact #2 you don't know the first thing about me so why don't you keep me and our corps out of your posts.

 

[Cold Front]

Dentists should be forced to accept government Medicare and Medicaid and should take pay cuts just like doctors are being forced to.

Dentists = Doctors

 

[FormerCorpsman]

get over yourself. what is it sailor? the blue side give you a bit of a complex? i was defending myself against the charge that i don't know hard work, with facts. fact #1 if you've ever been a Marine, you know a hard days work. fact #2 you don't know the first thing about me so why don't you keep me and our corps out of your posts.

Actually, my whole four and half years of service were spend with the Green Side. The only time I ever served with the Blue side was on a 30 day float back from Iraq to Okinawa.

 

[Oracle DMD]

Mr. self righteous? Yes, income has completely ruined me. I make more money now than I expected, I pay more for my kids, insurances, loans, and healthcare than I expected. And I also donate more time to social services than I ever expected. I do free dentistry all of the time based on my judgement of character of someone who really is in a rut, AND IM AM SICK AND F___ING TIRED OF BEING TOLD THAT I NEED TO PAY HIGHER TAXES JUST BECAUSE. Like someone said before, let the individual person help with the "wrongs of the world" and let the governent stay the hell out of my business. They already take almost over 40%.

self rightous?? enough of your temper tantrum. enough with all the unfinished curse words and capital letters. grow up. you do well in life, you pay more taxes. period. self rightous?? how about getting to the top and screaming about how it is now unfair that you should pay your fair share. because the care of the needy is up to the judgement of the practioner, our profession's autonomy is in jeopardy. maybe if everyone gave back as much as you do, this wouldn't be up for discussion, but since the entire profession doesn't share your philanthropy, other avenues will ulitmatly be pursued.

I agree with you that many do not want help, but rather they are envious of their neighbor and wish to make them miserable like unto themselves. They only wish to dig a pit for their neighbors.

Obama's spur of the moment emergency is deception that has been used in the history of the world for centuries. What did Hitler do when he came to power. He focused his people's attention on a lie, then he took their weapons from them and began a conquest of world domination. I also think of Mao Ze Dong as well. He felt it necessary that everyone should quit their jobs and melt metal down to save the countries economy. In the end 30 million Chinese starved to death in the largest genocide in world history. But the communists do not want you to know about that.

I also like how the Iranian people want freedom in Iran, but yet Obama said that the Ayatollah made the correct judgement. Some judgement, he is gunning his people down in the street because they decide to speak out.

are you really drawing parallels between Obama and Hiltler and Mao Ze Dong???? wow. you have really gone over the far right edge! hahaha what's next? obama is like atilla the hun! obama is like ivan the terrible! hahaha bizarre.

 

[Oracle DMD]

Actually, my whole four and half years of service were spend with the Green Side. The only time I ever served with the Blue side was on a 30 day float back from Iraq to Okinawa.

i don't want to argue about service w/ you bro, please read the context of the post before passing judgements.

 

[FormerCorpsman]

self rightous?? enough of your temper tantrum. enough with all the unfinished curse words and capital letters. grow up. you do well in life, you pay more taxes. period. self rightous?? how about getting to the top and screaming about how it is now unfair that you should pay your fair share. because the care of the needy is up to the judgement of the practioner, our profession's autonomy is in jeopardy. maybe if everyone gave back as much as you do, this wouldn't be up for discussion, but since the entire profession doesn't share your philanthropy, other avenues will ulitmatly be pursued.




are you really drawing parallels between Obama and Hiltler and Mao Ze Dong???? wow. you have really gone over the far right edge! hahaha what's next? obama is like atilla the hun! obama is like ivan the terrible! hahaha bizarre.

You bet your bottom dollar I am. He is on the same track that every other person who bought into Marxism followed. I am neither Republican nor Democrat. I believe in the principles of the Constitution. That I have inalienable right that the government can not interfere with. Obama continually tries to forces stimulus money down the States throat. Benjamin Franklin stated, "Those who give up liberties for security, deserve neither security, nor liberty." Everything that Obama and many other presidents have done since Woodrow Wilson have overstep their executive power and have interfered in the lives of Americans.

 

[DrJeff]

self rightous?? enough of your temper tantrum. enough with all the unfinished curse words and capital letters. grow up. you do well in life, you pay more taxes. period. self rightous?? how about getting to the top and screaming about how it is now unfair that you should pay your fair share. because the care of the needy is up to the judgement of the practioner, our profession's autonomy is in jeopardy. maybe if everyone gave back as much as you do, this wouldn't be up for discussion, but since the entire profession doesn't share your philanthropy, other avenues will ulitmatly be pursued.
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Ocean has never claimed that he DOESN'T pay his fair share of taxes, and atleast speaking for myself, in the top income tax bracket, frankly those of us up here pay more than our fair share in multiple ways a) unlike a large percentage of income tax filers in the country when it's all said and done, we actually HAVE to pay taxes and b) the more we make, the higher and higher the tax rate is on those dollars above each and every income cut off level.

Last year, my family had a 6 figure income, but we also had a 6 figure tax bill, and you're trying to insinuate that those of us that have worked our butts off for years, paid our loans ontime (for school, home, auto, etc) should have to pay more??? Lastly, since many of us in these higher income brackets own our own businesses, well we also get the "privelege" of being taxed multiple times on our income. First the gov't takes a chunk out of our business tax revenue(corporate taxes and then that nice little extra 7.5% that us business owners get to pay for social security that employees don't see - basically we as owners get to also contribute the same amount to Uncle Sam for you the employee your FICA withholding is), and then after paying taxes on that revenue, we get to pay our personal income taxes, and heck long term if we've been good enough with our investments, the gov't will once again tax that $$ for the 3rd time (atleast) when we die.

 

[OceanDMD]

self rightous?? enough of your temper tantrum. enough with all the unfinished curse words and capital letters. grow up. you do well in life, you pay more taxes. period. self rightous?? how about getting to the top and screaming about how it is now unfair that you should pay your fair share. because the care of the needy is up to the judgement of the practioner, our profession's autonomy is in jeopardy. maybe if everyone gave back as much as you do, this wouldn't be up for discussion, but since the entire profession doesn't share your philanthropy, other avenues will ulitmatly be pursued.



are you really drawing parallels between Obama and Hiltler and Mao Ze Dong???? wow. you have really gone over the far right edge! hahaha what's next? obama is like atilla the hun! obama is like ivan the terrible! hahaha bizarre.

Is this the governments job to force people to give back in the form of taxes? And who determines "fair share". Why is it not fair to have a flat tax? Why not just a national sales tax? Or a Higher property tax on homes over 400k, or boats, RVS, etc..etc... At least than you have a choice and are not being told that you make to much money, and joe shmow on the couch needs his cigarettes and healthcare paid for. You can tell me to grow up, tell me to quit being a baby, thats fine. Ive apologized for my language, and certainly dont apologize for being passionate. As far as my self righteous comment, its easy for you as a student (who lives on the loans) to make all of these altruistic comments. There is a reason most of us who are not in school are saying what we are saying, and its not about greed. Its not the income, its the cash flow. Dont you get it? There will be students graduating with 200k in student loans that must be serviced likely at payments of 2k/ month. And guess what, once you make over 75k the interest is NOT TAX DEDUCTIBLE. You make too much money. On top of that, why not raise our taxes. We make too much money. Who cares we spent 8 years in school, and drowning in debt. How do you think the bottom 25% give back to society?

This is exhausting. I just dont understand a mentality like yours. If someone doesnt want to help fellow man, there is a greater judge other than Obama.

 

[DrReo]

DrJeff, I agree with you 100%.

Why punish the American people who sacrifice years of their life, countless hours of education, and loans to fill the sky who want to give to their community, get punished with outrageous taxes? All we are trying to do is stay a productive member of society.

 

[Oracle DMD]

Is this the governments job to force people to give back in the form of taxes? And who determines "fair share". Why is it not fair to have a flat tax? Why not just a national sales tax? Or a Higher property tax on homes over 400k, or boats, RVS, etc..etc... At least than you have a choice and are not being told that you make to much money, and joe shmow on the couch needs his cigarettes and healthcare paid for. You can tell me to grow up, tell me to quit being a baby, thats fine. Ive apologized for my language, and certainly dont apologize for being passionate. As far as my self righteous comment, its easy for you as a student (who lives on the loans) to make all of these altruistic comments. There is a reason most of us who are not in school are saying what we are saying, and its not about greed. Its not the income, its the cash flow. Dont you get it? There will be students graduating with 200k in student loans that must be serviced likely at payments of 2k/ month. And guess what, once you make over 75k the interest is NOT TAX DEDUCTIBLE. You make too much money. On top of that, why not raise our taxes. We make too much money. Who cares we spent 8 years in school, and drowning in debt. How do you think the bottom 25% give back to society?

This is exhausting. I just dont understand a mentality like yours. If someone doesnt want to help fellow man, there is a greater judge other than Obama.

restructuring the tax code is a whole different arguement than national health care. an intelligent debate on restructuring the tax code seems like it would require a lot more research on all of our parts before we get into that. i don't think being for national healthcare puts me into the catagory of not wanting to help my fellow man. also, i have no judge; higher or otherwise.

 

[jmick101]

Oracle, question for you: what should be the fair share of taxes that a "rich" person should be reasonably expected to pay? 25% 40% 50%?

What would you do if you felt that the government exceeded that amount, or spent that money unwisely?

 

[Daurang]

Just 1% of the population already contribute 35% of the total tax collected in this country while 50% of the population paid essentially nothing. Obama will legalize another 20 million illegals after immigration reform who will contribute zero to the tax base. The number of millionaires in the US shrank by 20% last year so there's a lot less tax collected. If there less tax money coming in to support a lot more programs, where's the money coming from? look at Kalifornia and you clearly see our future.

Interestingly, less than 5 million people watched the ABC free propaganda for Obamacare last night. Did he spoke from the teleprompter/earpiece or did he spoke intelligently on his own for once?







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[DrJeff]

restructuring the tax code is a whole different arguement than national health care. an intelligent debate on restructuring the tax code seems like it would require a lot more research on all of our parts before we get into that. i don't think being for national healthcare puts me into the catagory of not wanting to help my fellow man. also, i have no judge; higher or otherwise.

Well Oracle, you were in effect getting into that arguement by saying that the wealthy need to pay their fair share, and that gets down to taxes, and the way the current tax code is structured the more you make the higher the tax you pay on those dollars earned above income threshold levels. The you get into the whole philosophical idea where if you earn below a certain level you in effect end up not paying any taxes and in situations below certain economic threshold receives subsidies from the gov't. And, since Obama has said that atleast some of his plan to pay for this proposed healthcare plan is raising taxes, then you've got to talk taxes when you talk THIS healthcare plan proposal.

 

[jr8047]

Oracle, you replenish my faith in dentists and dental students. I'm so glad someone on this forum is well balanced and willing to do what's best for the common good of the country and not just his/her pocketbook. Thank you.

 

[OceanDMD]

Oracle, you replenish my faith in dentists and dental students. I'm so glad someone on this forum is well balanced and willing to do what's best for the common good of the country and not just his/her pocketbook. Thank you.

So sweet. I have sugar plums, bunnies, and unicorns dancing in my head.

 

[DrJeff]

Interesting, less than 5 million people watched to the ABC free propaganda for Obamacare last night. Did he spoke from the teleprompter/earpiece or did he spoke intelligently on his own for once?

Even CNN, which has left leaning news tendencies (although not nearly as left as ABC/CBS/NBC) said this morning in their critique of the Obamamerical for healthcare that he mainaged to avoid/not really answer the "tough" questions(tough be a relative term with a hand picked audience) and often seem to ramble his way through his answers and a tell tale sign of how lackluster an event it was is that as of 12:30PM East Coast time as I type this the morning after, there is absolutely no mention of last nights event on the main page of CNN and even on the very right leaning drudgereport web page, coverage/criticism of the Obamamercial is mid-page.

In hindsight, ABC wishes they probably had aired an episode of The Bachlorette which would have garnered higher ratings (by a wide margin) for them

 

[DrJeff]

Oracle, you replenish my faith in dentists and dental students. I'm so glad someone on this forum is well balanced and willing to do what's best for the common good of the country and not just his/her pocketbook. Thank you.

So sweet. I have sugar plums, bunnies, and unicorns dancing in my head.

Ocean, lets have some fun here.

How much donated/deeply discounted care for the needy do you do on average every year???

 

[jmick101]

Oracle, you replenish my faith in dentists and dental students. I'm so glad someone on this forum is well balanced and willing to do what's best for the common good of the country and not just his/her pocketbook. Thank you.

And what is best for the common good of the country? Since, like Oracle, you are not over burdened with experience in the real world, enlighten us please.

 

[Daurang]

Ocean, lets have some fun here.

How much donated/deeply discounted care for the needy do you do on average every year???

Every year I pay more than $100K to Uncle Sam, who then distribute it to the 50% in this country who paid nothing plus some to the UN and the rest of the world.

 

[OceanDMD]

Ocean, lets have some fun here.

How much donated/deeply discounted care for the needy do you do on average every year???

Dr. Jeff, I cant even tell you how many times I have had someone off the street, with an infection, apparently cant afford treatment or a copay. I have never sent them out the door without treating them. I also cant tell you how many times of had someone walk without paying. As far as donations to the american cancer society, diabetes foundations, the local homeless shelter, thousands. Now of course when Obama decides to cut back on the tax deductions for charitable donations (another ******ed idea) we will likely have to cut back our donations or fire an employee .

 

[FormerCorpsman]

Dr. Jeff, I cant even tell you how many times I have had someone off the street, with an infection, apparently cant afford treatment or a copay. I have never sent them out the door without treating them. I also cant tell you how many times of had someone walk without paying. As far as donations to the american cancer society, diabetes foundations, the local homeless shelter, thousands. Now of course when Obama decides to cut back on the tax deductions for charitable donations (another ******ed idea) we will likely have to cut back our donations or fire an employee .

I would like to thank you for the service you have rendered for your fellow man. This is what is all about. You help out of your own FREE WILL!! This taxation crap has got to stop sometime. Everyone that works for a living feels disenfranchised by Fedzilla. I am wondering why the American people are letting this happen. The silent majority needs to stand up and speak. All of the event happening in our country, reminds me of a tyrannical king taxing his subjects, who lived across the Atlantic Ocean. Sounds rather familiar doesn't it. If Obama continues to push and tax working American just to help those who feel entitled to all their neighbors goods, I feel we will have another glimpse of 1776.

 

[DrJeff]

Dr. Jeff, I cant even tell you how many times I have had someone off the street, with an infection, apparently cant afford treatment or a copay. I have never sent them out the door without treating them. I also cant tell you how many times of had someone walk without paying. As far as donations to the american cancer society, diabetes foundations, the local homeless shelter, thousands. Now of course when Obama decides to cut back on the tax deductions for charitable donations (another ******ed idea) we will likely have to cut back our donations or fire an employee .

Yup, like I figured. Very similar answer is what I would have too. But of course, we're all just the "greedy rich" that don't do anything good for society except hoard all of our $$ away

 

[OceanDMD]

I love political debates. There is a new post after each patient.

 

[DrJeff]

I would like to thank you for the service you have rendered for your fellow man. This is what is all about. You help out of your own FREE WILL!! This taxation crap has got to stop sometime. Everyone that works for a living feels disenfranchised by Fedzilla. I am wondering why the American people are letting this happen. The silent majority needs to stand up and speak. All of the event happening in our country, reminds me of a tyrannical king taxing his subjects, who lived across the Atlantic Ocean. Sounds rather familiar doesn't it. If Obama continues to push and tax working American just to help those who feel entitled to all their neighbors goods, I feel we will have another glimpse of 1776.

Gotta give Obama credit with some of his big picture tax plan and his ability to stay elected. He's basically eliminated enough of the electorate from paying taxes that those that vote with there wallets instead of their brain should be enough to get him another 4 years

 

[DrJeff]

I love political debates. There is a new post after each patient.

 

[FormerCorpsman]

Gotta give Obama credit with some of his big picture tax plan and his ability to stay elected. He's basically eliminated enough of the electorate from paying taxes that those that vote with there wallets instead of their brain should be enough to get him another 4 years

Yeah, Obama is a cunning politician intoxicating the masses with his so called change. However, I will cling to My God, Gold, and Guns, and Obama can keep his chains.

 

[FatKid]

Dentists = Doctors

Actually, no you're not.

You are able to care for one organ system of the body, while I am able to care for all organ systems of the body.

To equate a dentist to a doctor is misleading.

 

[War Eagle]

Actually, no you're not.

You are able to care for one organ system of the body, while I am able to care for all organ systems of the body.

To equate a dentist to a doctor is misleading.

doc⋅tor  /ˈdɒk

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Use doctor in a Sentence

–noun 1.a person licensed to practice medicine, as a physician, surgeon, dentist, or veterinarian.



phy⋅si⋅cian  /fɪˈzɪʃ

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–noun 1.a person who is legally qualified to practice medicine; doctor of medicine.



God complex
Medtalk A personality flaw common among physicians, especially surgeons, who perceive themselves as omniscient–ie, God-like, thus treat others as mere mortals


btw, there is one major organ system that you can't adequately care for.

 

[OceanDMD]

Actually, no you're not.

You are able to care for one organ system of the body, while I am able to care for all organ systems of the body.

To equate a dentist to a doctor is misleading.

Doctor
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Physician, a medical practitioner

Doctor (title), a title accorded to someone who has received a doctoral degree



Now go back to your resident MD/GOD Complex world.
This attitude is so old school and pathetic

 

[DrJeff]

Actually, no you're not.

You are able to care for one organ system of the body, while I am able to care for all organ systems of the body.

To equate a dentist to a doctor is misleading.

Oh boy, this thread is about to really get fun now!

 

[OceanDMD]

Damn. War Eagle beat me to the punch. Ive been posting way to much today. Time to go home.

 

[sarah_bellum]

THe one telling sign of this conversation is the fact that the only proponents for Obama's changes are pre-dents and dental students, whereas the dentists (who have the real world experience of paying taxes, dealing with payroll and other overhead) are taking the opposing view.

Actually, many of us have worked before coming to dental school. We made good salaries. Some of us think Obama's plans sound fine.

EDIT - I'll leave the flamewar for the "doctors."

 

[Oracle DMD]

Oracle, you replenish my faith in dentists and dental students. I'm so glad someone on this forum is well balanced and willing to do what's best for the common good of the country and not just his/her pocketbook. Thank you.