I need information for MD school

[John93]

Hi
I would like to study medicine in Italy or Poland
Is it easy to get a residency in USA and practice in USA
What are easiest residency program to get in
My dream is to become orthopedic surgeon
Currently I am studying chemistry and it last semester
So I will have a bs this summer .
What are universities have the same us MD program
I don't want to study 6 years . I want only 4 years .

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[tortelliniboy]

If you go to a foreign school you'll have a hard time getting any residency let alone an orthopedic residency. Also please don't hint that you are trying to take shortcuts. If you wish to practice in the US you'll need 4 years of undergrad + 4 years of medical school + 3-7 years of residency + whatever if you choose to pursue a fellowship

 

[Mad Jack]

Hi
I would like to study medicine in Italy or Poland
Is it easy to get a residency in USA and practice in USA
What are easiest residency program to get in
My dream is to become orthopedic surgeon
Currently I am studying chemistry and it last semester
So I will have a bs this summer .
What are universities have the same us MD program
I don't want to study 6 years . I want only 4 years .

In order:

No.

Family medicine, psychiatry, and community IM, but even those are hard to get into. US grads need a pulse, you NEED to be a superstar as an IMG. You will never be an orthopedic surgeon in the United States as an Italian or Polish school grad.

Poland has several four year programs for foreigners that are taught in English, Italy does not have any, to my knowledge- all are six years and taught in Italian.

 

[John93]

In order:

No.

Family medicine, psychiatry, and community IM, but even those are hard to get into. US grads need a pulse, you NEED to be a superstar as an IMG. You will never be an orthopedic surgeon in the United States as an Italian or Polish school grad.

Poland has several four year programs for foreigners that are taught in English, Italy does not have any, to my knowledge- all are six years and taught in Italian.

What are other universities available for usmle exam outside USA with affordable tuition and fees .
Can I apply for universities 6 years and take shortcuts

 

[md-2020]

What are other universities available for usmle exam outside USA with affordable tuition and fees .
Can I apply for universities 6 years and take shortcuts

None, realistically (you won't match).
No.

 

[John93]

If you go to a foreign school you'll have a hard time getting any residency let alone an orthopedic residency. Also please don't hint that you are trying to take shortcuts. If you wish to practice in the US you'll need 4 years of undergrad + 4 years of medical school + 3-7 years of residency + whatever if you choose to pursue a fellowship

If I took a PhD in USA
While studying PhD . can I apply for residency or even PhD harder than the admission

 

[gothicfoxes]

Can I apply for universities 6 years and take shortcuts

There are no shortcuts in medicine. If you want to be a doctor, you're in it for the long road.

 

[John93]

None, realistically (you won't match).
No.

Ok then what other countries to practice with high salary

 

[Mad Jack]

If I took a PhD in USA
While studying PhD . can I apply for residency or even PhD harder than the admission

If you want to be a US doctor, by far your best bet is to find a way to go to a US school. That's just the reality of it. You can be a foreign MD/MS/PhD/LMFAOBBQ and it doesn't much help you. In fact, going MD>PhD from a foreign school will actually hurt you more than anything, as your PhD will put you so many years out of clinical practice that no residency in their right mind would consider you.

Being able to take the USMLE means nothing in regard to your chances of matching. The majority of people that take the USMLE that are foreign medical graduates do not match, a situation that is going to get substantially worse in the future due to the massive expansion of US medical school graduates, which are expected to exceed the number of residencies sometime in the early 2020s.

 

[John93]

There are no shortcuts in medicine. If you want to be a doctor, you're in it for the long road.

But I have a chemistry bs
4 years

 

[md-2020]

Ok then what other countries to practice with high salary

No country comes near the US in terms of physician compensation/lifestyle.


I'm beginning to think this is a troll post.

 

[Mad Jack]

Ok then what other countries to practice with high salary

The UK if you're an EU citizen.

 

[Mad Jack]

No country comes near the US in terms of physician compensation/lifestyle.


I'm beginning to think this is a troll post.

That's not really true- Canadian, Australian and UK physicians make very similar salaries and have substantially better lifestyles than their US counterparts.

 

[Cotterpin]

It's sounds to me like OP is primarily concerned with finding the quickest route to big money. That's not what medicine is about.

 

[Mad Jack]

It's sounds to me like OP is primarily concerned with finding the quickest route to big money. That's not what medicine is about.

Easy to say when you don't live in a country with a crumbling economy. I suspect OP is Italian, or from a similar European country economically.

 

[md-2020]

That's not really true- Canadian, Australian and UK physicians make very similar salaries and have substantially better lifestyles than their US counterparts.

From what I can find online, it seems the US makes by far and away the most amount of raw income. There are countries w/ a higher "compared to average per capita GDP" ratio, but that's because the US has such a high starting point for the entire country.

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/bl...dramatically-less-than-u-s-counterparts-study
An example of what I found by googling "physician salaries across the world."

 

[John93]

It's sounds to me like OP is primarily concerned with finding the quickest route to big money. That's not what medicine is about.

Kinda true but I only want an orthopedic surgeon .
But I think the big money realistic because studying for 15 years after high school is unfair . while people without degree and spent money on small business and make same money as doctors .

 

[Cotterpin]

Easy to say when you don't live in a country with a crumbling economy. I suspect OP is Italian, or from a similar European country.

That doesn't change the reality of practicing medicine. Medicine is not going to save his butt from a crumbling economy any time soon. If that's what OP is looking for, pick a different career.

Kinda true but I only want an orthopedic surgeon .
But I think the big money realistic because studying for 15 years after high school is unfair . while people without degree and spent money on small business and make same money as doctors .

It's not going to work the way you want it to. Come up with a different plan.

 

[John93]

The UK if you're an EU citizen.

I am Syrian citizen . refugee.

 

[md-2020]

Kinda true but I only want an orthopedic surgeon .

This is getting ridiculous


Did you literally just Google the highest paying specialties and decide it's ortho or bust?

 

[ChrisMack390]

@John93 I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't realize it, but your talk of "shortcuts" and using medicine as some kind of get rich quick scheme is insulting to 80% or more of this forum.

 

[John93]

No country comes near the US in terms of physician compensation/lifestyle.


I'm beginning to think this is a troll post.

What troll .

 

[John93]

@John93 I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't realize it, but your talk of "shortcuts" and using medicine as some kind of get rich quick scheme is insulting to 80% or more of this forum.

I am not using this degree to make money .
I just don't want to get bank loan on tuition with 15 years study and no job to pay the loan .

 

[John93]

This is getting ridiculous


Did you literally just Google the highest paying specialties and decide it's ortho or bust?

No my dad is orthopedic surgeon
I just wanted to be as my dad
In 90s cardiologist make more money .

 

[Mad Jack]

From what I can find online, it seems the US makes by far and away the most amount of raw income. There are countries w/ a higher "compared to average per capita GDP" ratio, but that's because the US has such a high starting point for the entire country.

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/bl...dramatically-less-than-u-s-counterparts-study
An example of what I found by googling "physician salaries across the world."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-paid-290-000-year-hundreds-earn-190-000.html

"Contracts introduced four years ago have led to the average pay for a family doctor soaring to £118,000 despite many opting out of evening and weekend care."

That's roughly $182,000 USD for a family doctor. Specialists typically earn much less than in the US, but my point was that there are roughly comparable salaries for most physicians.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...year-hundreds-earn-190-000.html#ixzz3kDjBnKSl
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http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2013/01/22/what-doctors-in-b-c-and-canada-earn-what-your-doctor-makes/

In the national report compiled by the Canadian Institute for Health Information, average, fee for service payments to family doctors are $240,356 in B.C.

Nationally, the figure is $241,077. The figures are for gross earnings, before overhead expenses which can take as much as 40 per cent away from gross fee sums.

Medical specialists (such as internists, pediatricians, neurologists, anesthesiologists and psychiatrists) are collecting $288,532 on average in B.C., compared to the national average of $310,351. Surgical specialists in B.C. are making an average of $425,836, slightly lower than the national average of $432, 643.

Given that these salaries are roughly worth 76% less than the US, Canadian doctors come very close to average US salaries, but falling a bit short. Still, physicians in these countries make princely sums compared to those in 98% of the rest of the world, where most doctors earn less than a US nurse.

 

[John93]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-paid-290-000-year-hundreds-earn-190-000.html

"Contracts introduced four years ago have led to the average pay for a family doctor soaring to £118,000 despite many opting out of evening and weekend care."

That's roughly $182,000 USD for a family doctor. Specialists typically earn much less than in the US, but my point was that there are roughly comparable salaries for most physicians.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...year-hundreds-earn-190-000.html#ixzz3kDjBnKSl
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2013/01/22/what-doctors-in-b-c-and-canada-earn-what-your-doctor-makes/

In the national report compiled by the Canadian Institute for Health Information, average, fee for service payments to family doctors are $240,356 in B.C.

Nationally, the figure is $241,077. The figures are for gross earnings, before overhead expenses which can take as much as 40 per cent away from gross fee sums.

Medical specialists (such as internists, pediatricians, neurologists, anesthesiologists and psychiatrists) are collecting $288,532 on average in B.C., compared to the national average of $310,351. Surgical specialists in B.C. are making an average of $425,836, slightly lower than the national average of $432, 643.

Given that these salaries are roughly worth 76% less than the US, Canadian doctors come very close to average US salaries, but falling a bit short. Still, physicians in these countries make princely sums compared to those in 98% of the rest of the world, where most doctors earn less than a US nurse.

Exactly but I want a USA .
I hope to become orthopedic surgeon .

 

[Mad Jack]

Exactly but I want a USA .
I hope to become orthopedic surgeon .

You will never become an orthopedic surgeon in the United States with a foreign degree, unless you graduated top of your class from Cambridge or similar. It just won't happen.

 

[Psai]

How are you going to practice in the us if you can barely string a sentence together?

 

[John93]

How are you going to practice in the us if you can barely string a sentence together?

My English sucks I know but that doesn't mean my grade is not good . besides I bet you only know English fluently but other languages u suck like me .

 

[allantois]

The UK if you're an EU citizen.

No no no
http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/explore-by-career/doctors/pay-for-doctors/

 

[md-2020]

My English sucks I know but that doesn't mean my grade is not good . besides I bet you only know English fluently but other languages u suck like me .

I think his point is that your command of the English language does not lead to confidence that you will score decently on tough tests like the MCAT, USMLE Steps, boards, etc., which are complex enough for native speakers.


Someone please close this thread down, this is going nowhere. "Can I become an orthopedic surgeon" x100000

 

[John93]

You will never become an orthopedic surgeon in the United States with a foreign degree, unless you graduated top of your class from Cambridge or similar. It just won't happen.

Is there other countries like Germany or France to practice orthopedic

 

[allantois]

Kinda true but I only want an orthopedic surgeon .
But I think the big money realistic because studying for 15 years after high school is unfair . while people without degree and spent money on small business and make same money as doctors .

Then make an effort and get into a US school. And btw healthcare is a big sucker for the economy while it is small businesses that contribute to the growth of the economy.

 

[Mad Jack]

No no no
http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/explore-by-career/doctors/pay-for-doctors/

Italy might be the best place to stay, if op is Italian and Italy can continue to actually pay their public sector. After that, Denmark and Belgium are looking nice, with the UK in fourth place but faaaar above Poland, Greece, Spain, Ireland, Germany, and many, many other countries.

 

[Mad Jack]

Then make an effort and get into a US school. And btw healthcare is a big sucker for the economy while it is small businesses that contribute to the growth of the economy.

It's tough to just "get into a US school" as a foreign graduate, mostly because government loans aren't available to them and private lenders aren't thrilled to lend to someone who can easily skip country if they fail. If he has the money to spend, sure, go to 'Murrican medical school. But if not, he'd have to get a green card or citizenship first, which is an endeavor unto itself.

 

[Mad Jack]

Is there other countries like Germany or France to practice orthopedic

You'd have to speak to someone more familiar with how those countries assign specialty training positions, as well as how the credentialing of physicians works in them in general. SDN is mostly a US-focused site. I know bits and pieces here and there because I once considered studying at Jagiellonian in Poland and ultimately wanted to practice in the UK, but chose not to because reasons. But questions that specific are going to require someone far more versed in local medical issues than I am.

 

[allantois]

Italy might be the best place to stay, if op is Italian and Italy can continue to actually pay their public sector. After that, Denmark and Belgium are looking nice, with the UK in fourth place but faaaar above Poland, Greece, Spain, Ireland, Germany, and many, many other countries.

Interesting, I've seen so many articles saying that doctors in Netherlands make the most in Europe. It's also interesting to note that GPs in all those countries make significantly less than specialists, perhaps it is contributing to the lower overall figures.

 

[allantois]

It's tough to just "get into a US school" as a foreign graduate, mostly because government loans aren't available to them and private lenders aren't thrilled to lend to someone who can easily skip country if they fail. If he has the money to spend, sure, go to 'Murrican medical school. But if not, he'd have to get a green card or citizenship first, which is an endeavor unto itself.

As a Syrian refugee, the OP should be happy to even make it to Italy. Regardless, I think the OP is a troll, because you don't get a BS in Chemistry before studying Medicine in Europe.

 

[md-2020]

As a Syrian refugee, the OP should be happy to even make it to Italy. Regardless, I think the OP is a troll, because you don't get a BS in Chemistry before studying Medicine in Europe.

Finally, someone agrees with me!

 

[Mad Jack]

As a Syrian refugee, the OP should be happy to even make it to Italy. Regardless, I think the OP is a troll, because you don't get a BS in Chemistry before studying Medicine in Europe.

Oh, I missed the Syrian bit.

Maybe he's a troll, maybe he isn't. Maybe he was going to do chemistry work in Syria before SHTF, but now that he's got refugee status that will allow him to go to many European colleges for free or close to, he's getting ideas in his head. Who knows. I prefer to give honest advice as best as I can, unless they're trolling so blatantly I can't ignore it. Plus, who knows, maybe someone will find this thread and get something out of it months or years from now.

 

[John93]

You'd have to speak to someone more familiar with how those countries assign specialty training positions, as well as how the credentialing of physicians works in them in general. SDN is mostly a US-focused site. I know bits and pieces here and there because I once considered studying at Jagiellonian in Poland and ultimately wanted to practice in the UK, but chose not to because reasons. But questions that specific are going to require someone far more versed in local medical issues than I am.

Ah thank you sir . you the best
Are you in medical school right now

 

[John93]

I

Oh, I missed the Syrian bit.

Maybe he's a troll, maybe he isn't. Maybe he was going to do chemistry work in Syria before SHTF, but now that he's got refugee status that will allow him to go to many European colleges for free or close to, he's getting ideas in his head. Who knows. I prefer to give honest advice as best as I can, unless they're trolling so blatantly I can't ignore it. Plus, who knows, maybe someone will find this thread and get something out of it months or years from now.

Am not a troll
I just wanted to know studying master in chemistry or study medicine is better . so for a bit I think medicine is good . beside my dad is doctor . so that makes me more to be a doctor

 

[John93]

As a Syrian refugee, the OP should be happy to even make it to Italy. Regardless, I think the OP is a troll, because you don't get a BS in Chemistry before studying Medicine in Europe.

I know system in Europe is 6 years plan
In USA 4 years .

 

[allantois]

I

Am not a troll
I just wanted to know studying master in chemistry or study medicine is better . so for a bit I think medicine is good . beside my dad is doctor . so that makes me more to be a doctor

Let me give you my unbiased opinion: studying dentistry is better

especially in Europe

 

[John93]

Let me give you my unbiased opinion: studying dentistry is better

especially in Europe

Nice . is it same fun as medicine ?

 

[md-2020]

Nice . is it same fun as medicine ?

Can we frame this and stamp the "troll" seal now?

 

[John93]

Can we frame this and stamp the "troll" seal now?

What troll
I am not kidding

 

[Mad Jack]

Ah thank you sir . you the best
Are you in medical school right now

Yeah, in the US.

 

[LizzyM]

@John93 Although medical school in the US is only 4 years, it requires at least 2, and usually 4, years of undergraduate study in the US or Canada before starting medical school. I have seen some foreign students get around this requirement by doing a PhD before applying to medical school. Some universities offer fully funded PhDs meaning that you are paid a small stipend for living expenses and your tuition is covered. The school will also sponsor your F1 visa. This will be 4 or 5 years and if you start by saying you want to go into medicine, it is unlikely you will be accepted for the PhD.

Once you are qualified to apply for medical school, it is unlikely that you will get a full ride (tuition and living expenses paid) and you may need to borrow money for medical school. Most American stuents do so. One of the reasons physicians are permitted to borrow heavily is the recognition that they are well paid after they finish training and will be able to pay back the loans.

So, an American MD degree will require 8- 9 years of study in the US plus several (3-7) years of training in a clinical setting before you are ready to practice independently.

 

[John93]

Yeah, in the US.

Nice
I wanted to study in Texan a&m health but they don't accept forgien students .
Only cheapest university is Baylor university with 31000 a year and 10,000 rooming .