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Do the top-names in neurology accept US-citizen IMGs? I'm talking about JHU, Mayo, UCLA, MGH, CCF, etc. Roughly, how many programs should be enough to secure a position somewhere good? Thanks!
Yes, if you have the qualifications.
For an IMG, you need to apply 10 -15 programs if you are shooting (but getting at least 8-10 interviews) for the very top programs. Programs that do not interview you will not rank you. Still probabilistically, over 75% of IMGs match by their 3rd choice.
Yes, if you have the qualifications.
For an IMG, you need to apply 10 -15 programs if you are shooting (but getting at least 8-10 interviews) for the very top programs. Programs that do not interview you will not rank you. Still probabilistically, over 75% of IMGs match by their 3rd choice.
I just like the word.....probabilistically.
I just like the word.....probabilistically.
"Still probabilistically, over 75% of IMGs match by their 3rd choice. "
i looked at the numbers cause i'm a big nerd, and this is what i came up with:
398 total PGY-2 neuro spots
-226 of 338 U.S. grads filled spots (56.8%)
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172
-145 of 392 IMGs filled spots (37%)
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27 spots from 14 programs went unfilled
Whether those 145 IMGs spots were filled at top schools remains a question. I thought the numbers were quite a bit better for U.S. grads. What gives? (possibly several people not ranking enough programs &/or people programs don't want?)
"Still probabilistically, over 75% of IMGs match by their 3rd choice. "
i looked at the numbers cause i'm a big nerd, and this is what i came up with:
398 total PGY-2 neuro spots
-226 of 338 U.S. grads filled spots (56.8%)
____
172
-145 of 392 IMGs filled spots (37%)
____
27 spots from 14 programs went unfilled
Whether those 145 IMGs spots were filled at top schools remains a question. I thought the numbers were quite a bit better for U.S. grads. What gives? (possibly several people not ranking enough programs &/or people programs don't want?)
Thanks a lot for this analysis. But there are major flaws:
Where did you get "145 of 392 IMGs filled spots"? It is a common mistake to think all non US-seniors are IMGs, but you are forgetting about Osteopaths, Canadian, US graduates. So, here are the stats we know:
I don't believe Osteopaths are considered IMG's for the match. Aren't DO's considered US grads for it?
It's not that "osteopaths are considered IMGs", but that they are not considered US seniors. Just look at the column headings at http://www.nrmp.org/data/resultsanddata2008.pdf (pg 13).
Right, so DO's are considered in their own category for match.
He erroneously included Osteopaths, Canadian, and US graduates in addition to IMGs (both US-citizen and non-US) in his/her calculations. THEREFORE, the use of IMGs in this statement is wrong. That's all...
.The best you can do is look at Table 4 (which appears not to include advanced PGY-2 positions) and draw your own conclusions (non-US IMG's matched 42.4% and unmatched 57.6%; osteo's matched 71.6% and unmatched 28.4%).
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Which top programs have US-IMGs? Thanks!
Have you tried looking at the programs websites and looking under the resident profiles?
Yes, but most of the top programs don't have such a page or they do not list which medical school the resident graduated from...
obviously medsRus wanted a person to do the job for him...and you just bit his bait. As a usIMG i have received invites from top places.....most programs do have residents bios in their page..but someone is just too lazy to research them.
obviously medsRus wanted a person to do the job for him...and you just bit his bait. As a usIMG i have received invites from top places.....most programs do have residents bios in their page..but someone is just too lazy to research them.
Don't be such a p**sy! Show me the current residents and their medical schools for UCLA, Mayo, Case Western, USC, UCSF, UCSD, UCI, U Cin., UT-Houston?
Don't be such a p**sy! Show me the current residents and their medical schools for UCLA, Mayo, Case Western, USC, UCSF, UCSD, UCI, U Cin., UT-Houston?
dude, look at their websites...i am not going to spoon feed you...look at the current and past residents .
By the way, I was offered an IV at 4 of the 9 places you mentioned above...I dont think U of Cin OR UCSD is a top place..
obviously medsRus wanted a person to do the job for him...and you just bit his bait. As a usIMG i have received invites from top places.....most programs do have residents bios in their page..but someone is just too lazy to research them.
You got invites to "top places", but matched at University of Iowa...
That is why I am asking if US-IMGs can really match into top programs.
ZING!
Now now, be nice all. I can understand the OP, since many programs just list the names of residents, but not where they train.
I'm not an expert on the topic, but Hopkins seemed to have several IMGs when I visited. They also only had a quota of 6 slots via NRMP, but have matched 8-9 in the past, suggesting that they may fill some slots outside the match.
That's great news. Are you sure they weren't there for pediatric neuro, since they seem to be much more IMGs in that field at top institutions.
Yeah I'm pretty sure. They had more international residents there than anywhere I interviewed. Was pretty cool actually. Always good to meet people from other places. I didn't ask them where they went to med school, but I imagine that some of them trained outside the US.
Also Mayo as an instituation has a long, long history of IMGs training/working there. Not sure about Neuro in particular, but I would look into it.
You'll be able to go somewhere good. There are a select few places that don't seem too high on IMGs, but if you're a stellar candidate you won't have a problem going to somewhere that you like.
Do you think it's worth doing a visiting rotation at one of those places? The predicament is doing the clerkship at a place closer to my family in the States. Thank you.
Whether places are just "being nice" by offering an interview to those students or if they are actually interested is anyone's guess. It DOES always help to have someone on the inside pulling for you with the admissions committee, so if you really hit it off with someone during your rotation that would help.
I'm not sure I would buy the whole, "programing being nice" thing imho. It just doesn't make sense for a program to invite you and spend time interviewing you if they weren't interested. That of course doesn't mean that you will get an acceptance.
However one added benefit is as you mentioned; they know who you are yby doing an elective. It is always easier to accept a known entity rather than a person who they meet for a few hours one day. Rotating will definitely show off your weaknesses and strengths; at least the program knows what they would be getting if they ranked you. And of course if you do well on a rotation and are a good fit, it makes your case so much stronger as to why they should interview/rank you. But as Amos said, doing an away elective isn't necessary to match at a top program since a lot of neuro applicants don't do any away rotations.
Of course, one big advantage for the student is getting an extended look at a program to help you pick where to do residency. It's easy to get caught up trying to figure out how you will make yourself into great applicant vs. being confident and being picky about what programs might be good enough for YOU.