Kaiser Med School Will be Free for First Five Classes

[drusso]

Kaiser Permanente’s New Medical School Will Waive Tuition for Its First 5 Classes

"About three-quarters of medical school students graduate with debt, according to the Association of American Medical Colleges; members of the 2017 graduating class who had debt reported a median amount of $192,000."

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[nvrsumr]

Good way to get solid applicants. Have a medical student this month whose first choice is some kaiser residency in Cali.

I am concerned they will be groomed to be cogs in the wheels of big medicine but maybe it’s for best. Don’t miss what u never knew.

 

[Doctodd]

this is the first and most important step to socialized medicine. In Cuba you dont get to pick your career path. The Govt tells the "principal" .... #1 in class goes to med school, #2 in class goes to dental school, #3 in class goes to...etc. Everyone else gets to wait in line for cheese and milk for the rest of their lives.

 

[drusso]

this is the first and most important step to socialized medicine. In Cuba you dont get to pick your career path. The Govt tells the "principal" .... #1 in class goes to med school, #2 in class goes to dental school, #3 in class goes to...etc. Everyone else gets to wait in line for cheese and milk for the rest of their lives.

Collectivism in Medicine: An Exception or a Hook? | Jane M. Orient M.D.

"Once health benefits are socialized, on the basis that medical care is different from other economic activities, the fundamental similarities will become apparent. To be logically consistent, collectivization must be extended to other enterprises, or undone in medicine. The former course is more probable; turning away from collectivist morality is a phenomenon rarely observed to date. The hook is indeed a fearful weapon."

 

[tmvguy03]

I don't see what the big deal is- socialism= free healthcare for everyone. Its free. It doesn't cost money at all. You guys must have never taken an economics class.

 

[Neuro244]

What MCAT score do you guys think someone would need for Kaiser medical school considering they're just opening up for 1st-year students?

 

[cowboydoc]

What MCAT score do you guys think someone would need for Kaiser medical school considering they're just opening up for 1st-year students?

Probably want to post this on another thread. Everyone here scored in the double digits on the MCAT.

 

[hyperalgesia]

What MCAT score do you guys think someone would need for Kaiser medical school considering they're just opening up for 1st-year students?

It will undoubtedly be among the most competitive in the country, given the financial deal.

 

[Peterluger]

Good way to get solid applicants. Have a medical student this month whose first choice is some kaiser residency in Cali.

I am concerned they will be groomed to be cogs in the wheels of big medicine but maybe it’s for best. Don’t miss what u never knew.

The med schools in california are a god damn joke anyways. There’s always some agenda in the admissions process behind all of them, this new kaiser school will be no exception.

 

[deleted941485]

The med schools in california are a god damn joke anyways. There’s always some agenda in the admissions process behind all of them, this new kaiser school will be no exception.

Clearly a surefire way to recruit and retain drones that tow the Kaiser way of doing things. God it’s the health system from hell so of course admin loves it.

 

[hyperalgesia]

It's amazing private practices can compete at all in Kaiser states, given the preferential treatment they enjoy from the govt.

 

[deleted941485]

It's amazing private practices can compete at all in Kaiser states, given the preferential treatment they enjoy from the govt.

Whats there to compete against? If a system is somehow a darling of the government it means its terrible for you.

I am sure these students never work with a private practitioner ever and they wont even know they exist except to ay they are evil and antiquated.

All hail Kaiser...should have been dismantled years ago

 

[dmk5n]

 

[UHS97]

Clearly a surefire way to recruit and retain drones that tow the Kaiser way of doing things. God it’s the health system from hell so of course admin loves it.

I've practiced at Kaiser Permanente in southern California for nearly 15 years and don't think of myself or anyone else in my very diverse department as a drone. It has been a great place to practice ethical medicine without many of the financial pressures my friends in private practice deal with. No system is perfect but it has been great for me. My children were born at our medical center and my family continues to get great care from my colleagues. No doubt there will be great physicians that will be running the medical school as well. Please don't label 20,000 very hard working doctors working with thousands more nurses and staff taking great care of 11 million patients as "drones."

 

[epidural man]

Kaiser seems like an incredible place to work - and seems like a great deal....a win for physicians...a win for patients.

But to be fair...I'm already institutionalized.

 

[drusso]

I've practiced at Kaiser Permanente in southern California for nearly 15 years and don't think of myself or anyone else in my very diverse department as a drone. It has been a great place to practice ethical medicine without many of the financial pressures my friends in private practice deal with. No system is perfect but it has been great for me. My children were born at our medical center and my family continues to get great care from my colleagues. No doubt there will be great physicians that will be running the medical school as well. Please don't label 20,000 very hard working doctors working with thousands more nurses and staff taking great care of 11 million patients as "drones."

Many doctors feel quite differently than you do. And, based upon interviews I've had with doctors who have left they indeed felt over-managed.

Why I Left Kaiser (and Why You Might Want To) - OphthoQuestions

One of our colleagues explains why leaving Kaiser Permanente was the right career move for her.

www.ophthoquestions.com

Kaiser's professional culture seems one-part demagoguery and one-part Maoist indoctrination. I don't have the temperament required to delegate my autonomy to a borg and couldn't live with myself in a Kaiser-HMO environment. Hopefully, we don't capitulate to a "Medicare For All" Kaiser-esque system.

"The biggest gripe I’ve heard as a chief and experienced as a Kaiser physician is the lack of flexibility or the lack of autonomy. Clinic, OR, and call schedules are made 6-months in advance. The clinic template is also preset. If you want to start clinic a little bit later, that’s not possible. If you want to leave clinic a little bit earlier, that’s not possible. If you don’t want to take an hour for lunch, that’s not possible. If you don’t want to work a full FTE but your center needs you to work a full FTE, that’s not possible. This rigidity may seem ridiculous but it is what all Kaiser physicians live by."

The Real Truth About What Kaiser and The Permanente Is! - Dr Charles Phillips

Kaiser is the only HMO in the country that feels that its "Best Practices" of "Evidenced Based Medicine" are so riddled with care rationing that they need to be password protected even from other physicians outside the organization;

drphillips.kaiserpapers.org

"The physicians are told in the Permanente Journal to get involved in politics and medical societies to promote the Permanente Promise, not really to advance general medicine itself."

 

[deleted993114]

Kaiser Permanente’s New Medical School Will Waive Tuition for Its First 5 Classes

"About three-quarters of medical school students graduate with debt, according to the Association of American Medical Colleges; members of the 2017 graduating class who had debt reported a median amount of $192,000."

Is this a new med school? Kaiser?

Remember when Mayo started, it was a pretty crappy medical school. However, they were doing the same thing and (along with Mayo's mountain of cash and good staff), turned it into a top 20 medical school.

First step to socialized medicine? I don't know- that, of course, is a huge political hurdle and would require such tuition policies to be universal. I think that is a ways off. Every presidential election cycle it gets floated (and shot down) as a trial balloon. I think it is several election cycles away.

 

[pmrmd]

The administration better be prepared for the griping from the members of the sixth class. Full price for them while the people just prior to them paid nothing? I can see the Kaiser-equivalent of the Occupy Movement trashing the cafeteria already.

 

[hyperalgesia]

The administration better be prepared for the griping from the members of the sixth class. Full price for them while the people just prior to them paid nothing? I can see the Kaiser-equivalent of the Occupy Movement trashing the cafeteria already.

I wouldn't be surprised if they make it free forever. The cost of the actual education component of med school pales in comparison to the revenue of Kaiser. It's just on the job training for them.

 

[UHS97]

Many doctors feel quite differently than you do. And, based upon interviews I've had with doctors who have left they indeed felt over-managed.

Why I Left Kaiser (and Why You Might Want To) - OphthoQuestions

One of our colleagues explains why leaving Kaiser Permanente was the right career move for her.

www.ophthoquestions.com

Kaiser's professional culture seems one-part demagoguery and one-part Maoist indoctrination. I don't have the temperament required to delegate my autonomy to a borg and couldn't live with myself in a Kaiser-HMO environment. Hopefully, we don't capitulate to a "Medicare For All" Kaiser-esque system.

"The biggest gripe I’ve heard as a chief and experienced as a Kaiser physician is the lack of flexibility or the lack of autonomy. Clinic, OR, and call schedules are made 6-months in advance. The clinic template is also preset. If you want to start clinic a little bit later, that’s not possible. If you want to leave clinic a little bit earlier, that’s not possible. If you don’t want to take an hour for lunch, that’s not possible. If you don’t want to work a full FTE but your center needs you to work a full FTE, that’s not possible. This rigidity may seem ridiculous but it is what all Kaiser physicians live by."

The Real Truth About What Kaiser and The Permanente Is! - Dr Charles Phillips

Kaiser is the only HMO in the country that feels that its "Best Practices" of "Evidenced Based Medicine" are so riddled with care rationing that they need to be password protected even from other physicians outside the organization;

drphillips.kaiserpapers.org

"The physicians are told in the Permanente Journal to get involved in politics and medical societies to promote the Permanente Promise, not really to advance general medicine itself."

You forgot this one:

Why I Chose a Career in Ophthalmology with Kaiser Permanente - OphthoQuestions

Elizabeth Pinney, MD discusses why pursuing a career with Kaiser Permanente was the right fit for her.

www.ophthoquestions.com

 

[nimbus]

You forgot this one:

Why I Chose a Career in Ophthalmology with Kaiser Permanente - OphthoQuestions

Elizabeth Pinney, MD discusses why pursuing a career with Kaiser Permanente was the right fit for her.

www.ophthoquestions.com

I used to work with Kaiser ophthalmologists at a contracted surgery center, probably Dr Pinney’s partners. I’ve never seen a more universally and consistently superb group of ophthalmologists.

 

[Ligament]

I've practiced at Kaiser Permanente in southern California for nearly 15 years and don't think of myself or anyone else in my very diverse department as a drone. It has been a great place to practice ethical medicine without many of the financial pressures my friends in private practice deal with. No system is perfect but it has been great for me. My children were born at our medical center and my family continues to get great care from my colleagues. No doubt there will be great physicians that will be running the medical school as well. Please don't label 20,000 very hard working doctors working with thousands more nurses and staff taking great care of 11 million patients as "drones."

I'm curious how exactly it is a great place to work, what do you like about it as a physician? What is the pay like, schedule flexibily, retiremetn benefits, etc? How does the system encourage or allow you to practice ethical medicine? Do you have any say in who is hired/fired/disciplined that works under you?

I'm genuinely curious.