I saw that there was a similar thread for 2011 that had plenty of useful info so I figured its best to start one for 2012.
A fully-annotated, personalized FA is solid gold.
First of, Congrats to all who took the exam and take the time to come back and share your experiences. Thank you!
I have a few questions..
a.) I have a 2011 First Aid book and scheduled to take exam end of July. I have so much stuff annotated into it, and so would hate to switch to 2012. Do you think that's a bad move?
b.) For those who are doing pathoma with FA on your second/third pass..Are you watching the Videos or just reading the book?
Thank you!
How badly do slackers get f*cked by this exam?
How badly do slackers get f*cked by this exam?
1. Stick to your 2011 fa. I'm using 2010 fa. I bought 2012 and annotated missing information into my 2010 copy.
2. No videos. Just reading pathoma over and over.
Agree with #1.
Disagree with #2, if he's implying don't watch the videos at all and only read the Pathoma book. The value of Pathoma is the videos. You should watch the videos as you annotate his book. The Pathoma book by itself is not that great and is a much worse, watered-down version of FA. It still has some explanation that FA doesn't have, but if you are just using books and no videos, stick with FA. Ideally, once you have annotated Pathoma while watching the videos, then you only want to review the annotated Pathoma book and not rewatch the videos. If that's what RedSox meant, then my bad!
Got scores today, 259/89! Very happy. Let me know if u have any questions, but i think my initial post is still applies. Interestingly uwsa 1 predicted exactly (right before the real thing.) good luck everyone! Back to the OR
1. Stick to your 2011 fa. I'm using 2010 fa. I bought 2012 and annotated missing information into my 2010 copy.
2. No videos. Just reading pathoma over and over.
So I haven't used this site awhile as I tried to push through med school. Anyway, our school had us take a practice test on April 20ish and I got a 160. Pretty ****. I've done DIT and half of UWorld (avg 52%) since then...yet I just took NBME Form 7 an hour ago and only got the equivalent of a 170. It's unbelievably depressing.
My test is on June 12 due to school policies and our 3rd year starting July 2. I occasionally wonder if I'm cut out for this, but that's a different issue. I just wanted some advice - if any of you guys were in my position, what would you do? I have Pathoma, UWorld qbank, and my First Aid. I'm gonna just go H.A.M. starting tomorrow, take another practice in 10 days and hope I'm in range. Any advice? This is not ideal, I've never had any issue with standardized tests but this is killing me.
what to do?
scoring in the 250-260s on multiple assessments (nbme, uworld assessments). So thankfully, I'm consistent. Going to finish my 2nd dedicated run through FA and am finishing my first real Uworld run by the end of the week (1st run I basically just did questions on the phone while taking a dump or to put myself to sleep. never really went back and read the answers, took notes, etc. because I was too lazy -- my mistake.) Currently averaging 88% - so there's definitely things I'm still learning from world).
My most recent NBME 13 - 261.
i feel relatively weak at cell bio, genetics, pelvic anatomy mainly because I crammed a lot of this stuff during 1st year (i.e. starting w/ the pelvis - but who can blame me?) or the subjects weren't really taught well to begin with -- or at all.
By the end of the week I'll have about 5 days left until my exam. Any advice on what I should do?
Here's what I'm thinking:
Option 1:
1) Take NBME 12 - bc I'm rich on government money and I've already bought it.
2) Take 2 days to roll through any areas of the general systems I feel like I could use a quick refresher on - I'm currently highlighting/memorizng things I don't know as I work through my 2nd dedicated pass. But I guess I could use the extra refresher.
3) Last 3 days hit biochem, immuno, pharm, behavior; I mean hit it hard, till they hurt.
4) Doing all the questions I've missed - which should come up to about 40-50 q's a day or less just so I can keep my mind in question answering mode.
Option 2:
1) Throw in some cell bio crap and read up on some pelvic anatomy and cut from what I mentioned above.
Any advice from you geniuses that frequent the SDN waters like sharks would be great. Thanks in advance.
Any advice? This is not ideal, I've never had any issue with standardized tests but this is killing me.
If you're scoring 261, there isn't much to raise your score besides hoping you get the right questions on exam day. Also...getting anything higher than that (anything higher than 250), isn't really helpful for your career in anyway...so I wouldn't stress. I'd work to maintain what knowledge you have- don't want to fall from the perch you've reached. NBME 12 is probably useless other than helping you see more Step 1-like questions. Pelvic anatomy is annoying. If you have nothing else to do, I'd say go for it. But to be honest, I doubt you'll get a lot of questions about this...and I'd say it's probably more important to integrate and maintain other concepts at this point rather than try to learn something completely new.
Got a 226. That's a very bad score on SDN, and yes I know this means I'm stuck doing internal medicine in the ghetto somewhere.
However, 226 is also unexpectedly low based on my own practice tests: 217 (NBME 7), 221 (NBME 13), 238 (UWSA 1), 247 (UWSA 2). I know the UWSAs overinflate, but I have never seen someone low-ball by 21 points.
I got about 7 hours of sleep, and feel fine during the test. I took the recommended dose of Benadryl at about 9-9:30 the night before, as I had done before all of my practice tests. Maybe that's what did it, but it doesn't explain everything. Very disheartened about my future in medicine right now.
Um ... A 226 is NOT gonna have you practicing medicine in the "ghetto." Actually a 226 is a good score. It's funny how SDN makes everyone believe that anything below a 250 is the worst score in the world. With a 226 you have a lot of options. It probably doesn't feel that way now because you're disappointed but as an objective observer your comments are hyperbolic.
also the score is pretty spot on with the NBME's. UWorld overestimates your score by roughly 15-20 points so it was pretty accurate.
If you look back in this thread, you'll also see quite a few people where the NBME's underpredicted, and UWSA's were more accurate. I think it has to do with the 'easy question' vs 'hard question' type of thing. But regardless, a 226 isn't the end of the world. If medicine was what you wanted to do, with decent grades/LoRs/etc. you'd easily match into a mid-tier medicine residency. And there's always step 2.
Dude. A 226 is a great score. I don't really understand this board, but I know plenty of people who have matched into amazing residency programs with scores much lower than that. Contrary to popular belief, top residency programs actually value research experience much more than board scores. There are cut-offs in most specialties (save a few)....and for certain specialties (i.e. medicine, peds, etc.), a 226 is more than enough to match just about anywhere. Just do well 3rd year, do some aways, network, and you'll be just as good as anyone else in your class with higher scores.
Dude. A 226 is a great score. I don't really understand this board, but I know plenty of people who have matched into amazing residency programs with scores much lower than that. Contrary to popular belief, top residency programs actually value research experience much more than board scores. There are cut-offs in most specialties (save a few)....and for certain specialties (i.e. medicine, peds, etc.), a 226 is more than enough to match just about anywhere. Just do well 3rd year, do some aways, network, and you'll be just as good as anyone else in your class with higher scores.
It also helps a lot if the person who scored a 226 is a Stanford grad
It's just frustrating to metaphorically drive the length of the field, but miss the game-winning 20-yard field goal. Nobody to blame but myself. There aren't many people who averaged in the 70s for the last 10 timed/random UWorld blocks who ended up with <230, so it's something I'll investigate thoroughly before I start prep for Step 2. A much better Step 2 score can't undo the damage completely, but it may reopen a few doors.
I think pedigree helps to an extent. But, for instance, I've talked to numerous peds faculty at Stanford (a relatively highly regarded program) who review residency applications. Normal response is "I almost never even look at board scores. They usually fall in between 220 and 240 and I couldn't care less where they stood."
In other words, the OP scored at around the 50% percentile of some of the smartest people in the world. Board scores are only one element of application and I think a 226 is good enough for most things. Yes, it might be hard to match into derm/plastics/neurosurgery, but I don't think the OP was necessarily gunning from those anyway.....
Yeah, I wouldn't really generalize that UWSAs have a 15-20 point overprediction built in. My UWSA scores are pretty in line with my NBMEs and CBSSAs. Many people have reported UWorld self assessments being spot on when taken right before the actual STEP 1. It's hit or miss. Sometimes you get unlucky and the STEP tests you on your weak areas. Sometimes they only test on your strengths.
...and if the OP was gunning for those specialties, I think there's still a shot, I know of at least one person who matched into a very competitive specialty with less than a 226
And this is exactly why board scores shouldn't matter as much to residency programs as they do. (Well that and the fact that they tell you very little about what kind of doctor a person will be.)
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It's just frustrating to metaphorically drive the length of the field, but miss the game-winning 20-yard field goal. Nobody to blame but myself. There aren't many people who averaged in the 70s for the last 10 timed/random UWorld blocks who ended up with <230, so it's something I'll investigate thoroughly before I start prep for Step 2. A much better Step 2 score can't undo the damage completely, but it may reopen a few doors.
Got a 226. That's a very bad score on SDN, and yes I know this means I'm stuck doing internal medicine in the ghetto somewhere.
However, 226 is also unexpectedly low based on my own practice tests: 217 (NBME 7), 221 (NBME 13), 238 (UWSA 1), 247 (UWSA 2). I know the UWSAs overinflate, but I have never seen someone low-ball by 21 points.
I got about 7 hours of sleep, and feel fine during the test. I took the recommended dose of Benadryl at about 9-9:30 the night before, as I had done before all of my practice tests. Maybe that's what did it, but it doesn't explain everything. Very disheartened about my future in medicine right now.
You repeatedly fail to understand that a 226 for me and probably 2324tigers is NOT THE SAME as a 226 for yourself. If he was coming from Harvard or Hopkins, then yes, I'd agree with you.
I agree that a 226 is not the end of the world, but it isn't helping 2324tigers or anyone else around here to say that it is a "great score". It simply isn't. It's a slightly above average score. And if you're from an average-low tier school, and you get a 226 on Step 1, unless you recently cured cancer, you are NOT going to match into the #1 program in plastics. You just won't.
This thread is about test taking experiences and scores. Its getting really annoying have to sift through all these other tangets to find the information that I and other people are looking for - the test itself.
Could we please take the match vs score discussions somewhere else...this is like the 2nd time a huge tangent has arisen on this subject.......
This thread is about test taking experiences and scores. Its getting really annoying have to sift through all these other tangets to find the information that I and other people are looking for - the test itself.
Could we please take the match vs score discussions somewhere else...this is like the 2nd time a huge tangent has arisen on this subject.......
This thread is about test taking experiences and scores. Its getting really annoying have to sift through all these other tangets to find the information that I and other people are looking for - the test itself.
Could we please take the match vs score discussions somewhere else...this is like the 2nd time a huge tangent has arisen on this subject.......
Well shoot! I just typed out a nice, long reply and it disappeared as I was trying to post it . Ok, I'm at a US allopathic school and took the exam 5/4. I'm hoping to get my score tomorrow (my permit disappeared yesterday on the scheduling website, so maybe that is a sign). I took a little more time to study than most as I went to a couple of conferences during my study time, which I wouldn't recommend fwiw.
Uworld 1- 256 (3 weeks out)
Uworld 2- 265+ (2 weeks out)
NBME 12- 261 (1.5 weeks out)
NBME 11- 259 (1 week out)
I feel like my scores are pretty consistent, so hopefully I will be in the 250 and above range on the real thing.
Sources:
FA (4.5x)
Uworld- 2x
USMLERx-70%
RR Biochemistry-2x
RR Pathology
Goljan audio
Micro Made Ridiculously Simple
USMLE Step 1 Made Ridiculously Simple
High Yield Neuroanatomy-60%
I kind of disregarded the conventional wisdome of FA + Uworld = gold. I get bored studying in the same format for more than about an hour so switching between questions, audio, and review books was useful for me. Also, seeing the same concepts presented slighly differently was useful to me. I will post a review of the exam after I get my score. Good luck to all those that are also eagerly awaiting their scores!
Um ... A 226 is NOT gonna have you practicing medicine in the "ghetto." Actually a 226 is a good score. It's funny how SDN makes everyone believe that anything below a 250 is the worst score in the world. With a 226 you have a lot of options. It probably doesn't feel that way now because you're disappointed but as an objective observer your comments are hyperbolic.
I've been using HY Neuro a bit, is there a certain portion of the book you found to be overly detailed? Or did you just not want to finish it?